Titan is insanely easy for half the people, the other half just can't do it. Just keep trying to find a pt where you get those who think its insanely easy and stick together with em. Run every week with the same people if possible.
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Titan is insanely easy for half the people, the other half just can't do it. Just keep trying to find a pt where you get those who think its insanely easy and stick together with em. Run every week with the same people if possible.
You just basically describes Titan HM back in the day where people were beating it with Darklight or lower. I dare you to go into Titan HM with i65-ish and outlasts Tumults with 3/4 people. Just wait till people outgear Titan EX and it'll be the same thing. Groups with good DPS even at i90 can sell the fight so it's doable. It just takes more gears and skills.
You're missing the point.. There are no mechanics in HM that require most people to be alive. It's more of an endurance test after heart. With Extreme, even if you out gear the content, it will still be very hard to deal with gaolers if a tank dies, or kill the gaolers before the gaols spawn if you're losing DPS. And even if the gaolers do die, you'll lose another DPS and healer to gaols if you don't have enough DPS to down them before sepulcher.
Honestly, 25% echo proves my point for me. Even with that huge buff, I still haven't found a group that could finish it. Gear doesn't help when people panic during mechanics.
People always say its Landslides and Plumes that kill most PF groups >.<
It's the first set of bombs after heart phase while the adds are up. People freak the F out during that phase and almost ALWAYS take damage. If you find a PF group that clears heart and no one screws up on that first set of bombs, do everything you can to keep that group together for a clear.
Cool heads prevail in Titan X.
Oh yeah, I forgot about the Echo. I was still in the 2.1 mindset somehow.
@Versiroth, you can still do it without a second tank but people have to adapt well and group up at East, kill the gaolers really fast so the puddles are there and dodge landslide. In 2.1, I had a group that the Titan tank got landslided off so I took over Titan, the DPS gather the adds, LB, get back on titan and we would kill it if the other healer didn't get 90k. I was at 6 stacks.
Actually... in titan HM, after heart, his stomps increase in numbers. You will not survive on the minimum ilvls pass a certain point.
And gear does help in titan EX. case in point echo. If you can't dodge weights stacking, with enough echo (pass 30%) you can literally separate and eat the weights, before healing through it.
And for bombs, you can eat a bomb by standing in the middle of it, and healing through it.
You're just raging on the wrong things. Because it never occurred to you to do something besides derping. Change tactics if you know brute force is possible.
As someone who has tried this fight a good 50 times since 2.2, I can honestly say that you have no clue what you're talking about. Heck, you don't even know that the echo only goes up to 25%.
Also, comparing Titan HM with minimum ilvl is reaching. Titan Extreme isn't being failed with the minimum ilevel (67). It's being failed by people that are ilvl 85+ with the echo buff on top of that.
We have cleared it for people using echo serveral times. What does happen is if you can't live long enough the echo does not raise. So low echo is usually a problem with some groups.
We have cleared it with 3 people dead. 4 at one point.
No weight stacking for people that can't dodge it, and telling them to stand on a bomb. They can all be healed though.
And for tanks who can't do super bombs we use healer LB. It's pretty simple.
Again you're raging on the wrong things. There are heck of stuff more difficult then titan ex, and with echo, easier still.
The Echo goes up 5% each time you survive at least 3 minutes. Maxing out at 25% after 5 such wipes.
And I call BS on your "We cleared it with 4 people" statement. Unless most of the dead people died right before you beat it. There's no way to manage adds and gaols with only 4 people alive.
Ever since I upgraded to PS4, i've been watching PS3 players take plumes and landslides left and right. Their reaction time is terrible. What I did to combat this was spend the entire fight in Sprint (I play WHM/BLM so its not a TP issue for me), casting it at key moments. It was the only way to dodge on PS3.
I'm wondering, i90 players with full Echo might be able to sacrifice TP for sprinting, especially classes with Invigorate. The phases are pushed so quickly with the heightened DPS (I know I spend the fight in Cleric Stance until the adds) that full rotations shouldnt be an issue, or a priority over dodging.
Thoughts?
Not very hard. As long as people get raised at the right times.
Going into to heart, we had 7, then we had 6 after landsides, then a tank died which puts it at 5, super bomb killed a healer, so down to 4, Healer LB, back up to 6, and finished it at 5, after another dps died yet again.
Titan X wasn't so bad. It's like phrase for dog "his barks is worse than his bites". Yes, early experience on Titan would felt intimidated. But once players familiarize with his movement cycles, he's somewhat bit easier to manage.
I used to follow common players rate of difficulty from easiest to hardest as follows: Garuda - Iffy - Titan.
But now? It's Titan - Garuda - Iffy.
Why?
In Garuda, watching enmity gauge kind of important especially on phase 2 at twin phase. Any dps who scores highest damage would become emergency tank for Chirada on most cases, hoping that healers would back him/her up closely. There's also spiny plume, which hopefully, someone doesn't stupid enough kill it inappropriately.
And Iffy? 1 word: Searing. Oh... and another thing: very long time df queue for DPS.
Compared to those 2: Titan will always has fixed moves and players can dodge easily as long as they work this together. Could still work this out even with latency as long as players know when to pre-empt.
Very plausible. After your tank died (I assume to Mountain Buster?), the off tank switched to MT? Of course, you had the gaolers down by this time. And then when Gaols spawned, you were down to 1 DPS, one healer and 1 tank. So, that god like DPS managed to down both Gaols before sepulcher? Wow , I'm impressed. And then, one of your apparently awesome healers managed to die from super bombs? A little odd since everyone stacks. I guess they were running around doing their victory lap and didn't make it back to stack with everyone else in time? No biggie. And then of course you downed it shortly there after. I mean, you did have a super DPS capable of taking down gaols with only a little help from the tank and no one else....
Yep, very plausible....
Except for landslide, again with the echo, you can heal through it by telling them to stand at a certain spot due to lag.
1 weight is approx 2.2k damage
1 bomb is approx 4k damage
At high echo, it will take 1 aoe cast from both healers to heal it up to full.
Tank swaps, jails and super bombs, has to be learned, but those are hardly lag related most of the time.
Look up the fight rotations. It never changes. You will always know when a Plume is coming, and always know when a landslide is coming. The only RNG in the fight is what bomb lands first really. Other then that.. just make a PF that will kick people who mess up after 3-4 times. If you go carebear and never kick anyone, your good players will leave and you'll be stuck with the same group wipers till the end of time.
In reality, most of us who can sleep through Titan EX have moved on. We got our equipment (on every job, if not just our main) long ago, and there is no incentive to go back except to help our FC mates. All that is really left is people lagging behind and people who couldn't cut it. That is probably why you are having so much trouble forming good parties.
You counted wrong. 2 dps +1 tank on super bomb and 2 healers part time on super bomb(titan will not do anything but punch people on super bombs). The healer got tapped for not sitting on the edge when titan jumps.
While you can't have people that don't know titan win titan, that's blaming yourself for not enough practice. It is not hard to teach people to hit stuff, even if they can't dodge well.
And with echo, you have a lot more damage time on titan. (he does not have that much hp)
It seems like you don't know titan ex very well. It can be done with 6 people even before the echo.
You said 5 were left. 1 tank, two healers and 2 DPS make 5. 1 of those two DPS and one of the two healers would have been gaoled, which leaves you with 1 tank, 1 DPS and 1 Healer to break the two gaols before granite sepulcher. Even if the tank that you said died did so after gaols, that still means that 1 tank, 1 DPS are the only people attacking the gaols. And then, you guys managed to down the super bomb in time with only 2 DPS hitting it....
Your story sounds very exaggerated. If you have to exaggerate to make a point, then it's pretty obvious that your point is pretty poor.
Says the person that doesn't know Titan will also WoTL during Super bombs....
It's pretty easy to un gaol with 6, even 5 you can un gaol with the echo.
And are you nic picking? Dodging weights during super bombs is trival, and is only there to pick off healers that don't heal on stomps, and still not a big deal if a few die, Since they would have already dealt 50-70% of the bombs damage.
In any event I don't get why you're making titan ex harder then it really is.
I don't have to justify that I(we) do enough titan clears to make me barf. You'll just keep trolling with every new content that comes out, because things don't get easier.
It's not easy to break a gaol with only one DPS (since the other is in the gaol). You're making stuff up.
WoTL is there to pick off healers that don't heal during stomps.... uh... what? This comment makes no sense at all.
Because again, I've tried this fight every day for weeks and I can't find a group that can clear it? With echo, without echo, it doesn't matter. And again, I know the whole fight (both as a tank and DPS). I'm not saying I never slip up, but I'm normally one of the last men standing
And the truth comes out. So, you're just making stuff up and trying your best to overly exaggerate how easy this fight is because you're afraid posts like mine will force more nerfs. How very selfish of you. if you "do enough titan clears to make me barf", why do you care how easy they make it for the people still working on their first clear? Also, you really need to learn what "trolling" is.
Also, according to everyone I've spoken with, Ifrit Ex and Leviathan Ex are both easier than Titan Ex. So, things actually do seem to get easier.
Clearing this has definitely got more difficult sense 2.2. With most of the skilled players more worried about working on their animus, then doing Ex primals. I'm not sure why I keep attempting it myself. I've beaten titan a few times myself. But that was back when everyone was working on weekly clears. I joined 2 "weekly clears" groups last night, and neither one was a weekly clear group. I know that's no surprise, its usually how it goes. The truth of the matter now though, is sense there isn't many experienced people doing it, you'll pretty much need to find the group that looks like they have at least a shot at winning. I.E. gets to superbombs. And just stick with them, for the night. Sooner or later they will learn enough, and do good enough to win. It took me about 10 hrs of practice, from being a complete noob, to knowing the routine in a single day.Once I learned it, and had a group that also had grinded their faces off all day, we were able to beat it, and that was after sticking together for a couple runs(pre-echo). The only people that may say this fight isn't too bad, will be those that have groups of people they can depend on to do this on a regular basis. The rest of us, that know what we are doing, have to get lucky enough to find a group of people similarly skilled.
Not gonna lie, once I cleared this with my FC, I have never cleared it since.
Mostly because I've just not bothered to do it.
It took nearly 2 months of terrible PF parties and DF parties and once I joined a new FC, the good players there helped us clear it. (As in - nobody died to plumes or landslides.)
After this once in a while I go to try to help friends but I get irritated and start internally raging when I see them being hit by plumes and landslides way before we even kill the heart...and then my motivation kinda drops.
If you aren't clearing titan ex take a look at your group.
1. Is someone dying to plumes/bombs before heart phase?
2. Are you dying to plumes/bombs before or after heart phase?
3. Are you or others not staking and causing plumes to kill others?
4. Do you or others not stack and screw up the landslide bating?
5. Are people not standing in the right spot before upheavals?
If any of 1-5 checks off, you will not clear the fight. Now that I have titan out of my hair, there's 0 reason to ever do him again. Leviathan ex is a million times easier to learn and clear and gives higher level weapons. Why in the world would I torture myself with terrible titan ex groups ever again? That's probably what most people who cleared it are thinking too and only those who can't dodge/haven't cleared it are left.
HAHAHAHA heck no. Don't know here you're hearing that.
Sure Ifrit ex is pretty light weight on DPS, but it is in no way easier then scripted Titan ex that I can snore on. The Randomess of Tank stacks alone wipes groups. HP and damage does nothing if you don't have a half decent party that knows how to fight. (in fact echo makes it rough when you enrage ifrit by pushing him too fast)
And levi EX.... wtf earth are you living on. Levi EX is tight. TIGHT. If you lose 1 dps, you're screwed, histera is going to blow up a group, unless they are very veteran. And if you have 1 death , just one they are going to slide over the boat, and you're calling wipe, period. Only time you can go 7/8 in Levi is when he's on 10%, and you bum rush him.
There is no 7/8 in levi ex currently. No excuses you go in as a team you come out as a team. It's not compared to titan. If you think people kick in Titan EX PF, expect triple that in Levi EX.
Let's leave it at that, to you Titan EX is the holy grail, to us it's bread and butter. Spend more time in titan, before you mouth off. There's no shame in titan, but there is shame in believing titan is the end.
I've got all the weapons bar two, but my FC hasn't been because it's just too hit and miss. Some weeks we would one-shot it, some weeks you go like 4 wipes in a row and just think 'bleh, sod this.' There's definitely a latency issue, and while knowing the rotations does help immensly - it's not a fail-safe. I've never been in since the patch so haven't yet seen the echo effect.
It's definitely a tough call if you haven't got a decent group (of patient!) people you can practise with. Those of us who have a solid group they can go with should be grateful, because thia is clearly a very problematic fight if you don't have that.
You're implying that someone is just lucky enough to be on the opposite side of a body slam when they die (which really never happens except perhaps a tank, because it's always fought near the middle for healing reasons). No you're quite funny.
Without echo super bombs can be done with 6. After Echo, it's pretty easy. People were regularly carrying titan ex with 7/8 loooooong before echo.
Please, beat titan and get on with the world.
as sad as it sounds, ive had better groups in DF than anything I've ever gotten together in PF.. even when I put it at straight i90..
on a side note, ive still never beat it
What... am I reading..?
If you are implying that someone can predict the side Leviathan slams on.. and dies there.. on purpose.. I fear for humanities future. If they were psychic enough to predict that, they wouldn't have died in the first place.
I am not sure why people are arguing with Mei Mei.. he is right.. Titan EX is incredibly scripted and easy. Just yesterday we killed the superbomb with 2 DPS and a tank down. So umm.. ya you can do it with 6. We also carried a DPS all the way through that was knocked off since the first Landslide. Losing a DPS (and often 2) is not a big deal, sorry to burst bubbles.
I don't think people realize how really bad they are at the game. The DPS 'requirements' for most of this games encounters is pretty much a joke. My tank will often times out DPS most PF DDs.. and my DD usually doubles any PF DDs. This isn't a toot my own horn, it is putting things in perspective. Better yourself instead of just blaming everyone else and saying things aren't possible that we clearly accomplish.
I can second this. I got my first Titan and Ifrit EX wins through DF. At the time it seemed to be all people that were comfortable enough to join a DF and win.
In saying that....was doing a recent Ultima HM for fun with a well geared DF group. When we couldn't make it past the second set of Bits with full Echo 25% I had to leave.
Ultima HM is the real skill check for a lot of people.
Uh, I don't know!
Titan EX is incredibly frustrating. It doesn't matter how perfectly I play (and I've got probably a 99% dodge rate on Titan mechanics... minus the occasional WoTL, but those don't kill me because we use the line strat); there's just no making up for a tank, or half the group, failing at landslide.
ITT:
Guy who hasn't beaten titan ex: "Titan ex is too hard"
Guy who beat titan ex: "Titan ex is too ez"
I respectfully disagree. Losing 1 DPS is not the end of the whorl. Depending on the other DPS's damage, it might still be savable. It's true that Titan EX probably has a lower DPS check but to say that to lose 1 DPS in Levi EX is a wipe is a stretch. There are actually already groups selling Levi EX so yes, there is 7/8 Levi EX.
Hysteria can be avoided after resisted stun if the WHM or SMN use their knock-back skills (Fluid Aura/Shockwave).
Again, to people like this, make your own PF, and start kicking after 3-4 legitimate screw ups. It really doesn't matter if it is lag or just a simple mistake. You'll keep the good people around knowing there will be a replacement for bad people, and eventually fill in the ranks with people who can clear it. If you are really not the problem, get people who aren't as well. Get your kill and move on with life.
Agreed. Our FC had it real tight learning it with a DPS down at first, but we do it with one down in relative ease now. For most still learning or getting more experience in a fight, 1 DPS is a guaranteed wipe though, even with a few wins under their belt. I'd say any PF group is a guaranteed wipe with a DPS down just judging on the characters often in there. It really isn't fair to compare Titan EX to Levi EX however, especially with Echo buff. There is definitely a higher DPS requirement to achieve in Levi EX.
Just because you have a group of extremely skilled and overgeared players doesn't make Titan "easy".
I've gotten smacked through the middle by leviathan's dive (since the middle ones still throw me off sometimes) and I've survived the rest of the fight after getting raised.
Our tank got smacked to his doom, slide off and ended right on the edge of the platform. Got raised, no problem.
So no you're hilariously wrong.
And beating a superbomb with 2 DPS from start to finish? lol pics or it didn't happen or you must all be sporting level 100 atmus weapons and all 100+ gear.
For the average person clearing titan ex in an average DF/PF group they will be between ilvl 80-90 and I can certainly tell you 2 dps is not enough to get past superbombs.
P.S. If titan ex was SOOOO easy, this thread wouldn't be 8 pages long of people crying that they can't clear it.
Perhaps it's easier for me because I identify with patterns, but I used to clear all 3 Ex through DF every week before 2.2. I stopped doing it cause I figured it would be easier to get Leviathan weapons instead, but I keep losing rolls.
I don't know how to give advise for people who don't normally see patterns in things, but when you've done it enough, you start instinctively knowing when to move and where to move to.
Cleared Titan EX on PS3 with DF, per 2.2...so i'm with random group each time. Once i clear edit, did it 3 times more to get other weapons I want, then stopped.
OP, it's not impossible, just really hard. And I play tank, so I had to dodge, tank swap, and pull the egis, fyi.
Took me few weeks to nail it with random people, just keep practicing, btw, with echo buff now, it's much easier.....