Is there going to be open world content ever? Have I missed news or anything related?

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Originally Posted by Pooky

So you want the game to be fundamentally changed? That's just not going to happen. Porting in and porting out isn't going to go away and if you are sitting there expecting it to, then what exactly are you doing?

There's already stuff like Behemoth/Odin, treasure hunts, FATEs(ugh) etc in the open world. Your issue is people port in and port out to and from them? It would enhance the experience if everyone was forced to run there?

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Porting in and porting out can easily be changed. Doesn't have to be changed for existing areas but they could easily make a new open world area that's "too dangerous" for the npcs to set up a camp and aetheryte there.

As for the others that don't understand what the OP means by open world content for some reason, he's essentially asking for a open world dungeon. An open world area or areas that's filled with monsters you can't just casually walk by without having to worry about being killed with some difficult boss monsters that spawn every now and then that actually drops something useful or desirable.

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Originally Posted by Clavaat

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I don't think anyone is asking exclusively for open content, but that we would like to see some of that to go along with the instance fest that is currently in place. We just want other options that compliments our game play style. And I agree about the good budgeting. Let's hope the servers are vastly improved soon since they are making so much money. Continuing to have the system lag that we have been seeing for so long is inexcusable and unacceptable. This is not a new issue and one that should have been resolved some time ago.

Chalk it up to ps3 limitations, thats why you can barely make it 5 minutes without a loading screen and the zones are so small. What youre looking for is an open world sandbox. Im eagerly awaiting ArcheAge and EQN

It's been said before repeatedly and I'll say it again: there is open-world content - if you're looking for FFXI-style NM hunting that's what FATEs are now. Then there's the treasure-map hunting, the daily beastmen quests, etc etc. And what's stopping you going out and just exploring the world (which I used to do in FFXI)? Oh, but because there's no shinies waiting at the end in this people are not interested and claim the 'no-open-world content card'.

Even ignoring all that and using another 'claim' by detractors of the current system who claim FFXIV is nothing but a 'lobby server' for instanced content, remember how in FFXI most players simply sat around idle in Jeuno or Aht Urhgan Whitegate for hours doing nothing while they waited for a party to form to do something trivial such as an exp party or a story quest? What's the difference to sitting in Revenant's Toll waiting for a Duty Finder party to fill here in ARR? Absolutely nothing.

And before you pass judgement this is actually what the player community wanted - content that was not sole-claimable by one person/party, and dungeons that are instanced and separate from the main game (the old player polls Yoshi-P did not long after he took over as Producer that confirm this are still floating around, I'll try and find them and post them here). If you think that sucks, well, you'll just have to live with it, as that's democracy for you.

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Originally Posted by Gerolan

Guess you don't know what open world content is then
Dailies, teleport there, kill X, teleport out
Treasure hunts, teleport there, dig, kill, teleport out
Zodiac quest teleport there, join X fate , hope for the 1/10000 chance of atma, teleport out
What the poster was talking about were things that made Xi great, being able to just port there and port back out 10mins later doesn't cut it

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So you mean that even in 1.23 there were no open-world content?
behest - teleport in, do it, teleport out
Chocobo caravan - teleport in, do it , teleport out
farming chests in the beastmen strongholds - teleport in, do it, teleport out
Atomos event - teleport in, do it, teleport out (wait 5 minutes until the teleport happen)

Atomos event

There is a lot of open world content you have to do with the new relic quest. First off you have to do fates for atmas, then for the book part there are several kill various monsters in the open world, doing leve quests, and more fates.

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Originally Posted by Mycow8me

I don't see a future in which I'm still playing this game if its just more dutyfinder stuff as the game progresses cause I just don't meet people

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This sounds like a personal problem to me. I didn't play FFXI in the Sky era, but I did play other Asian MMOs with open world dungeons, and what I remember about it is:

1. shouting in town for ages (anywhere from 30mins to 5 hours, depending) just to find a party, then possibly waiting longer to fill the party if the right classes weren't shouting in town
2. fighting with other parties for spawns/camps
3. having herds of mobs trained on you and your whole party wiped (both intentionally and unintentionally), and nobody in the area would stop what they were doing to raise you, so your whole party had to revive in town and start over
4. hardly any talking, apart from discussion of what area to go to and what drops people are looking for, with only fairly rare exceptions
5. one person needs to leave? group disbands, the other players all resume shouting in town (facepalm).

And honestly I've had no trouble meeting people in this game. I've met some great people in guildhests and dungeons, even in Party Finder and standing around at various aetherytes. You're just not trying.

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Originally Posted by Gerolan

I would just like the OP have a zone that didn't have safe havens every few meters, and that you had an entire area to farm, explore that wasn't connected to a fate

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The beast tribe areas would like a word with you.

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Originally Posted by Gerolan

Where did I say I wanted teleports removed? Never
Please don't tell me I am saying something when nothing in my post dictated that
I would just like the OP have a zone that didn't have safe havens every few meters, and that you had an entire area to farm, explore that wasn't connected to a fate

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The perfect regular open area for me would be like the road between the tiny town in North Shroud with the aetherythe to Hysthmill taking the other road where the knights are, that's a harder trip even for 50's, you can get links on your way and find lots of aggressive mobs, if the areas had that difficulty would feel a lot different, the op didn't say about the teleports but I would love if SE reduced the number of aetherythes, would be enough getting 1 or 2 per general zone (Black shroud, La Noscea, Thanalan) somewhere in the middle so you have to use the maps a bit more, I really like the look of every zone and its a waste not having a good use for those.

A sky area would be awesome, especially if they made it a hard open area, where you need to be careful and preferably with a party, they could add fates there that could have NM's like chimera that could drop some items to pop a big bad ass NM

I would want to see more than one party hunting in the same area. Fighting for the spot could be a viable choice with a nice mixture between instances and open dungeons where ppl could choose different rooms . Areas where every FC goes to hunt choosing the party setup they want and not be stuck with 4-8 players.

People like you who gave SE ideas of ATMA FATES grinding. Stop it or go away.

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Originally Posted by FallenHero

Chalk it up to ps3 limitations, thats why you can barely make it 5 minutes without a loading screen and the zones are so small. What youre looking for is an open world sandbox. Im eagerly awaiting ArcheAge and EQN

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Your whole post is invalid because of XI.

Let's just say SE isn't font of the Open world topics, they tend to stick around for a while then get nuked from the front page.

I just had a 2 week vacation from the forums because of mine...

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Originally Posted by Pence

I think you should move on. 1.0 ended its run -similar- to the XI community and events you hope for....we all know how that ended. I'd love a sky, or dynamis...but WoW doesnt have them =(

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everything in FFXI is openworld now other then burning circle fights, play with anyone at anytime.
FFXIV gearscore or nothing, to do your 8 man only group.

I'm right with you OP,
except i've already done the MMO Duty roulette and was disappointed with EVERY release of the last 10 years.
Despite the total lack of open world content going on here, and my general *ugh* to the Lobby setup,
Well, having a duty finder is better than forcing shout groups...

i love Final Fantasy as a world and still prefer this game over every other option.
and i played FFXI for 7 years so i've had my fill.. especially since the old days are gone. Time to move on.

Still, to me anyway, 'Open world' is a place like beadeaux.
Danger around every corner.
Maze like zone.
Treasure! Gathering! Rare materials! Quests!
A zone branched off of the main road that you can't teleport to the end of.
You have to fight your way through tooth and nail to reach the cool stuff you need buried deep inside.

So i'm just pluggin away one way or the other looking forward to what the future brings.
I'm pretty sure it'll be good, but the here and now is just OKAY.
Just that sadly OKAY is better than everything else. @_@

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Let's just say SE isn't font of the Open world topics, they tend to stick around for a while then get nuked from the front page.

I just had a 2 week vacation from the forums because of mine...

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Originally Posted by Mycow8me

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To the people who are in the same boat:
If you keep supporting and playing this game kudos to you but I just can't anymore. Since the time I started playing this game up till now (6 months?) I have only made like 3 friends and have been shuffling through FC's since launch. I think this is largely due to the dutyfinder aspect of this game with no creative open world content.

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Now why don't you take a break? No one forces you to play the game in subsequent months, e.g. I still find it nice to take breaks and drop in after a new patch.
Even though I still crave for Open world content .... I don't think it's meant to forge nice FC or lot of friends, because that's something only you can do yourself, e.g. join a FC and be active & communicative etc.

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Originally Posted by NefarioCall

I'm right with you OP,
except i've already done the MMO Duty roulette and was disappointed with EVERY release of the last 10 years.
i love Final Fantasy as a world and still prefer this game over every other option.
and i played FFXI for 7 years so i've had my fill.. especially since the old days are gone. Time to move on.

Still, to me anyway, 'Open world' is a place like beadeaux.
Danger around every corner.
Maze like zone.
Treasure! Gathering! Rare materials! Quests!
A zone branched off of the main road that you can't teleport to the end of.
You have to fight your way through tooth and nail to reach the cool stuff you need buried deep inside.

So i'm just pluggin away one way or the other looking forward to what the future brings.
I'm pretty sure it'll be good, but the here and now is just OKAY.
Just that sadly OKAY is better than everything else. @_@

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Originally Posted by NefarioCall

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I just don't understand what the difference between Beadeaux and Lost City of Amdapor is. There's danger around every corner, no it's not like a maze (although those could be added - I'd love to see a Sacrarium like instance that changes depending on the time of day), there's treasure and rare materials (and there's a quest that sends you there, also atma weapons require you to kill bosses), and you have to fight your way through tooth and nail to reach the cool stuff.

Is it that you want to be able to solo in an area? Or is it that you want gigantic massive zones like what ffxi has?

Edit: Actually I'll level with you here, FFXI had some amazing ideas that work really well on paper. Garlaige Citadel weights that open up doors? Brilliant! Quicksand caves weight doors that you need specific people of a certain race to stand of them? Neat concept! Magical doors in Sky that are only open one way at a time and you have to hit a switch to change them? Awesome teamwork, everyone can work together! Shifting the walls in Eldieme Necropolis to uncover secret passages? So cool!

None of those mechanics are in any way fun if you're either by yourself or are in a small party. Especially nowadays with there being 0 people in those zones to begin with. And let's not forget to mention that most of the time you were going through these areas you had sneak and/or invisible on because a single mob could completely decimate a full party without too much trouble (Bombs in Ifrit's Cauldron I'm looking at you >.>). On top of that, even when those areas were populated it was a chore to get people to actually bother to go stand on the switches to open doors in Garlaige for example. Conceptually the ideas are very interesting but in reality (and due to human nature and how awful some people are towards one another), it just doesn't work.

Would I like to see more interesting content out in the open world? Sure! Do I want it if it's going to be potentially annoying down the line? Nope.

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Originally Posted by CruxisSeptentrion

Conceptually the ideas are very interesting but in reality (and due to human nature and how awful some people are towards one another), it just doesn't work.

Would I like to see more interesting content out in the open world? Sure! Do I want it if it's going to be potentially annoying down the line? Nope.

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Never was part of an active guild and yet I completed the main story with just the help from complete strangers that didn't want anything in return. I don't know where you're getting this negativity from but i've never in my life met so nice and helpful people that I did in XI. On my first day a random guy bought my tarutaru a full gear set and few starter spells and explained how the FoV works.

The nicest group of players I've ever met. Ever.

There are nice folks in this game, as well - but in this game, there's much less need to depend on them. In FFXI, and presumably other earlier MMOs, there are many parts of the game that you simply cannot do solo, no matter how godly your gear. Switches that require multiple people to activate are one example that has already been named. Folks that wanted to access content in areas like that had no choice but to depend on the kindess of friends, guildmates, or even total strangers, all of whom have their own things to do. When they're willing to help out, that's great, but then you feel guilty for asking them to go out of their way.

In this game, there are no such barriers except inside instances - and if you're inside an instance, then you know all of your companions are there to help each other out. Furthermore, Roulette means that folks are less likely to be barred from content because they can't find enough helpful volunteers; Roulette provides incentives for random strangers to lend a hand, and while the system can and does get abused in various ways (such as folks dropping when they realize there's a noob on the team), for the most part it works well.

This game DOES have a severe shortage of DANGER in the open world, though, and it's frustrating. At the same time, though, due to the lack of stealth abilities if dangerous open worlds WERE added, it would become very frustrating to newer players down the road. While it can be a lot of fun for your full party to do battle with ridiculously powerful mobs to push your way through an area to some objective, once the majority of folks have completed that content new folks trying the same stuff will find themselves waiting for hours to build up a party of folks willing to help.

SE's been working very hard to ensure that no one gets left behind - that the game will ALWAYS be newbie-friendly, and that folks that miss out on the initial "rush" of new content will still be able to participate in that content without depending on others' charity. It's an effort I respect, and while I acknowledge that it has been the cause of other problems, I don't think there are any simple solutions.

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Originally Posted by Seif

Never was part of an active guild and yet I completed the main story with just the help from complete strangers that didn't want anything in return. I don't know where you're getting this negativity from but i've never in my life met so nice and helpful people that I did in XI. On my first day a random guy bought my tarutaru a full gear set and few starter spells and explained how the FoV works.

The nicest group of players I've ever met. Ever.

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XI basically mandated social and helpful players - because if you were a grump or a loner, nobody'd help you, and then you could basically forget about the game because you weren't getting anywhere by yourself. Ever.

However, the point trying to be made by the post was that these really cool forced cooperation areas suffer these days because so much content has stacked onto the game that nobody will go to them anymore. When me and my boyfriend were trying to get into XI, it was practically a ghost town. All the players were off in high level content. If we wanted to do any of that cool stuff, we'd need to have somehow gotten players to come back there and join us - which wasn't going to even start happening anytime soon because first we'd have to find some.

XI had some cool stuff and I'd love to see it, but mandatory-high-playerbase mechanisms suffer when that playerbase moves into other content. At the least, with Duty Roulette rewarding players with endgame-valued rewards for doing 'weaker' content, there's a reason to return, but that still requires putting stuff like that into instances, which isn't the open-world the OP wants.

I also want to point out, that baring massive changes that will simply not happen before an expansion pack, be very careful on what you wish for.

People demanded open world content, a reason to go out into other zones that was Mor Dhona, and not FATE related.

First they got the beastmen dailies. Open world, a reason to go out into other zones, and not FATE related. And people hate them.

Then people complained that this was a Monday only game. You log in Monday and get everything you could use on Monday and then complain that there is nothing to do.

So SE makes the atma grind. Something that, unless you are terribly lucky, cannot be done in a single sitting. And we all know how this is turning out.

People wanted open world content, but they wanted it to be challenging for level cap. Which means it would have had to be either in Mor Dhona, or some out of the way place that it won't interfere with the leveling players. This is by design. A level 10 does not want to be in the middle of questing, only to end up under a level 50 primal. But if they just added the open world content in one area, you end up with Odin and Behemoth.

Chances are, there won't be any open world content that doesn't require FATEs or spread across the playable world until an expansion hits. Thinking they will just dump level 50 mobs into the low level zones is foolish at best.

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Originally Posted by TheUltimate3

People wanted open world content, but they wanted it to be challenging for level cap. Which means it would have had to be either in Mor Dhona, or some out of the way place that it won't interfere with the leveling players. This is by design. A level 10 does not want to be in the middle of questing, only to end up under a level 50 primal. But if they just added the open world content in one area, you end up with Odin and Behemoth.

Chances are, there won't be any open world content that doesn't require FATEs or spread across the playable world until an expansion hits. Thinking they will just dump level 50 mobs into the low level zones is foolish at best.

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They could open up and expand the beastman strongholds and make them... well actually strongholds. Bump up the mob level way higher and put some reasons to get in there with a group. Maybe a triggered/spawned NM or something to farm? Just not another damn FATE.

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Originally Posted by Magis

They could open up and expand the beastman strongholds and make them... well actually strongholds. Bump up the mob level way higher and put some reasons to get in there with a group. Maybe a triggered/spawned NM or something to farm? Just not another damn FATE.

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Which would still require an expansion because dumping a new landmass down somewhere is not as simple as it looks, and I highly doubt, if we were to go beyond those invisible walls, we would find actual land to stand on so they couldn't just open it up.

People begged SE to instance everything and make smaller zones, so this is pretty much what we're stuck with. It's funny how the very people who defend "Atma FATE grinding" as "open world content" were the same people who complained about having to do FATEs for Lightning/FFXI/DQ/Seasonal Events.

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Originally Posted by TheUltimate3

Which would still require an expansion because dumping a new landmass down somewhere is not as simple as it looks, and I highly doubt, if we were to go beyond those invisible walls, we would find actual land to stand on so they couldn't just open it up.

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Did you know? In 2.2 they did just that? Binding Coil Turn 6-9 are new land masses, Rivenroad revisited though, is the exception...but even then there's some changes from it's 1.23 version - City of Amdapor is a new land mass. It doesn't require an expansion because XI added in new zones in monthly updates as well.

Let's be real, it's more like: If they wanted to add new area they can, they would wait for expansions to explain the new areas. For example with 2.3 or 2.4 they could easily add Doma if they so felt like it but it wouldn't make much sense without it's own storyline, itemization and so on. (basically expansion content.)

Keep in mind, I'm not defending FF14 at all, but I seriously don't understand some of these descriptions. I'm not trolling or anything, but I'm genuinely interested in clarification.

Maybe I just missed the magic because I didn't play XI, but based on the descriptions, it doesn't sound any different from what I'm experiencing, except the monsters in the open world aren't really challenging. There are some Fates that you simply can't solo (easily, anyway), although the reward doesn't sound comparable to NMs unless you're looking for Atmas. People shout, people camp them (CT Fates), someone come to your aid, you may become friends. You can rezz people that get roflstomped by the Cyclops in Coerthas and there are fun times there.

Notorious monsters sound interesting, but sort of like a pain. Rare drops go to who? Whoever tags it first? Gets the killing blow? Everyone that participates gets a chance at a drop? Can't Fates just drop something rare to make them worth participating in to make it similar?

I do like the area of strongholds actually being more dangerous. Now that people are actually going in to do the Atma Fates in that area, they could set something up to promote that. Make it into something more than solely for Atma farm or CT unlock.

Really, it just sounds like FF11 forces you into parties so you want to be less of a douche or else no one wants you around. That "chance encounter" sounds more like you're just being forced to be nice to people and want to have a lot of people lined up to potentially run with later because you can't advance otherwise. Sounds no different than what I'm doing for Coil runs; shouts, party finder, conversations with random people while looking for Atma..... I talk to people all the time; the jokes make Atma grinding slightly more tolerable, conversations sometimes open up friends. The opportunities are there, they just aren't forced on you. Maybe the opportunities aren't as frequent as 11, but I don't think its fair to imply they don't exist.

EDIT: Treasure hunts in party finder are also a quick way to make friends and I find it fairly exciting.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Did you know? In 2.2 they did just that? Binding Coil Turn 6-9 are new land masses, Rivenroad revisited though, is the exception...but even then there's some changes from it's 1.23 version - City of Amdapor is a new land mass. It doesn't require an expansion because XI added in new zones in monthly updates as well.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, as I have (obviously) not done the Second Coil, but I was under the impression those were instanced, just like the Lost City of Amdapor, unless there is an open world Amdapor I can't find. Which means those locations are "physically" on their own little servers, removed from the open world.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Did you know? In 2.2 they did just that? Binding Coil Turn 6-9 are new land masses, Rivenroad revisited though, is the exception...but even then there's some changes from it's 1.23 version - City of Amdapor is a new land mass. It doesn't require an expansion because XI added in new zones in monthly updates as well.

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This is a misconception. Adding content into an Instance Server is very different from adding content onto a World Server. The Instance server can much more easily manage and process the data required for these "land masses" because it handles exclusively content within those boundaries, i.e. groups of 4 or 8 people. Think of the World Server as 1 GIANT instance. Adding too much to process for that one instance will cause it to lag and possibly crash, because the group of people is within the 70k+ range (or more, don't remember exact numbers). An expansion has to be planned well in advance because the developers know that it is going to hit their servers hard in terms of content available and people accessing it. If an area is instanced, in much less expensive.

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Originally Posted by CruxisSeptentrion

I just don't understand what the difference between Beadeaux and Lost City of Amdapor is.

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One significant difference is that when you Duty finder a party in Amdapor, everyone barrels ahead full pace and robot clears the dungeon, then says thank you at the end and leaves.

When you go in on your own there's time to actually STOP and take it all in.

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Originally Posted by CruxisSeptentrion

I just don't understand what the difference between Beadeaux and Lost City of Amdapor is.

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One is like FF13's Gran Pulse, the other is like every other area in that game.

Hmm, one particular area for end game. Would be open world. There are a lot more FFXIV players per server than FFXI had (naturally less MMO players at the time, FFXI had good numbers for it's time). You have that massive amount of players who engage in one zone, that wouldn't be conflicting at all or cause a lot of drama.

It isn't to discredit the idea of open world content, but it needs to make sense in the structure the game has built already. Like have Peiteskin treasure maps have a small chance of giving you an item that pops a more powerful NM in the open world and kill that to have it drop decent items/gear/tokens. Having a sky/sea like area causes more trouble than any good that would come from it. When you come up with an idea, you have to think about how it affects other content, server structure, and game fundamentals.

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Originally Posted by Seif

Your whole post is invalid because of XI.

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FFXI had a lot less players, especially in end game in comparison to FFXIV. Getting to 75 was a thing not many casual players of FFXI achieved till long down the road. In it's prime you saw 4-5 endgame LS's at most in Sky/Sea at a time. FFXIV works to get you to end game, meaning there would be much more lv.50's all gathering in one area and fighting each other to have room or claim mobs in an open world area, which causes conflict which I can tell you as a Sky/Sea raider since their release to 2010, no one liked dealing with the things you had to endure in there. I rather it be instanced where my FPS won't dip and my group can work at their own pace.

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Originally Posted by Gerolan

Where did I say I wanted teleports removed? Never
Please don't tell me I am saying something when nothing in my post dictated that
I would just like the OP have a zone that didn't have safe havens every few meters, and that you had an entire area to farm, explore that wasn't connected to a fate

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It could have something to do with this post.

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Originally Posted by Gerolan

Guess you don't know what open world content is then
Dailies, teleport there, kill X, teleport out
Treasure hunts, teleport there, dig, kill, teleport out
Zodiac quest teleport there, join X fate , hope for the 1/10000 chance of atma, teleport out
What the poster was talking about were things that made Xi great, being able to just port there and port back out 10mins later doesn't cut it

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Where the only connecting issue between each of your points was "teleport out." It was not in any way unreasonable to suspect your entire complaint was with teleporting. If that was not your intended complaint I challenge you to user your words and explain it better.


I think everyone in this thread needs to chill out. Some people just want to split hairs of there individual definition of open world content (despite the fact that open-world content seems pretty self defining), some people want to complain or defend the existing content, some people want to keep touting FFXI's EXPANSION content as some sort of golden lamb, and some people just want to watch the world burn. It doesn't really matter. The game is only 7 months old people. Clearly the last two patches added open world content, and in interviews Yoshi has expressed that he wants to add more open world content. To everyone complaining I say this. You are indeed getting what you want, but you need to have more patience. Rome was not built in a day, neither was FFXI, and neither will FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

It could have something to do with this post.



Where the only connecting issue between each of your points was "teleport out." It was not in any way unreasonable to suspect your entire complaint was with teleporting. If that was not your intended complaint I challenge you to user your words and explain it better.
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Nice of you to monitor my posts, however I still never said I want teleports removed, I was agreeing with the OP about a zone that isn't a safe haven every few metres, that around every corner could lurk danger that requires more than one person to kill.
Doesn't mean I want teleports removed, so please keep your monitoring to yourself, last I checked the forums do not have a post police that aren't hired by the company

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Originally Posted by Gerolan

Guess you don't know what open world content is then
Dailies, teleport there, kill X, teleport out
Treasure hunts, teleport there, dig, kill, teleport out
Zodiac quest teleport there, join X fate , hope for the 1/10000 chance of atma, teleport out
What the poster was talking about were things that made Xi great, being able to just port there and port back out 10mins later doesn't cut it

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Problem is some of you will never be happy with what you get.

If you are looking for HNM farming then I highly doubt this game is for you in the long term.

As for making the open world a dangerous place, didn't Yoshi say from the start that they don't plan for that kind of content in the open world as he felt its unfair to force that on new and inexperienced players.

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Originally Posted by Gerolan

Nice of you to monitor my posts, however I still never said I want teleports removed, I was agreeing with the OP about a zone that isn't a safe haven every few metres, that around every corner could lurk danger that requires more than one person to kill.
Doesn't mean I want teleports removed, so please keep your monitoring to yourself, last I checked the forums do not have a post police that aren't hired by the company

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I'm sorry but when did following a thread, that consists of a conversation, suddenly become monitoring? I saw you lash out because someone called you out, and I agreed with the person you lashed against. So I felt compelled to hop into the conversation and support what the other person said. So let's talk about it shall we? I asked you to elaborate on what you really meant. You said...

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Originally Posted by Gerolan

however I still never said I want teleports removed, I was agreeing with the OP about a zone that isn't a safe haven every few metres, that around every corner could lurk danger that requires more than one person to kill.

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Please do explain to me how a reasonable person was supposed to gain that understanding when you originally said...

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Originally Posted by Gerolan

Guess you don't know what open world content is then
Dailies, teleport there, kill X, teleport out
Treasure hunts, teleport there, dig, kill, teleport out
Zodiac quest teleport there, join X fate , hope for the 1/10000 chance of atma, teleport out
What the poster was talking about were things that made Xi great, being able to just port there and port back out 10mins later doesn't cut it

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Not once in your original statement do you say one think about the zone being safe, or having a safe haven every few meters, or danger lurking around any corners, or even that it takes one person to complete it all. Each point made consisted of [Content type], teleport in, kill x, teleport out]. Not one sentence about any danger or safe zones. So as I said Garolan. If you want us to understand you then please use your words. For you did seem to be completely complaining about teleports.

When people give up or have nothing to contribute to the conversation they use this line ( in some way).

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Originally Posted by Gerolan

not in the mood to listen to some white knight today since that's all your doing in other posts

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Don't call someone a White Knight or a Troll if you are using the words in the wrong way.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

When people give up or have nothing to contribute to the conversation they use this line ( in some way).



Don't call someone a White Knight or a Troll if you are using the words in the wrong way.

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It's called realising that when talking to fanboys their is no reasoning, and considering the one who keeps replying to my posts, all they ever do is respond to suggestion posts about how great the game is and they should be grateful.
I've spent the last four days in game helping people and not getting anything i needed done, so to be called a bad player by someone who seems to spend their life's on the forum of course I'm going to call them a white knight for their total defence of the game.
It's called freedom of speech might want to google :) have a nice day

This thread served its purpose for me already stop bumping it or a mod can lock it I don't care. I just wondered if there was any news or anything related to open world content and it was mentioned in a live letter that it will be released slowly over time. It's not what I wanted to hear but its some hope. Some is better than none. If the expansion they are working on has none then I'll prolly end up playing another game by then if I'm not already.

It's been said by countless people. I'm not happy with the game in its current state and I will be more than happy to leave and find another one, its unfortunent but maybe the upcoming elder scrolls will be more suitable to my play style who knows.

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Originally Posted by Gerolan

It's called freedom of speech might want to google :) have a nice day

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There are something that are best left unsaid though, or you could come a crossed as being "rude". You have the right to speak in the way that you want, but if people ( which also has freedom of speech) comes at you with a counter argument, then don't call them a white knight, as I could tell you're being a troll. I hate using white knight or troll because both words to me are considered rude.

Tolby their was talk about FCs being able to summon primals in the open world like the sky pops, not sure what stage their at though as that was back last year they talked about it, but it did seem promising