Top DPS in you t5 clearing groups?

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

Reloading from the history database apparently results in some strange allocations. My friend said he had to go in and manually add two separate sections together to get the results, as depicted in this composite of 2 screenshots: http://i.imgur.com/ZIQmd39.png

Also of note, Selene is a factor.

Edit: *Cad parse.

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Why photoshop for someone else's auto attack damage?

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Originally Posted by Villaven

Why photoshop for someone else's auto attack damage?

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His friend thinks very highly of him. And thats MS paint dawg =P

You're right, my mistake. I Just meant to point out the editing and was wondering why (clearly I know why)? =P

Actually looking at the screenshot in more detail, I'm strongly disliking the import from archive, since the total damage values seem odd. Meh, hopefully I can get a cleaner parse from my friend this week.

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

The main issue with T4 is the extreme skew towards SMNs and BRDs for the clockwork multi-target non-AOE phases, versus the heavy skew towards BLMs and DRGs for the AOE phases. The AOE phases themselves are problematic because a second player's AOE DPS will eat away from the first player's. As a general example, the highest SMN parse I've heard about for T4 was in a group where they (and another SMN) were the only AOE/multitarget DPS.

In a group with a BLM, the SMN would never have hit those #s because the BLM would have wasted the AOE phases too quickly for DOTs + multi-Bane + Shadowflare to really deal that much damage. When you throw down a BLM + DRG + WHM Holy, then all of a sudden you have so much AOE DPS that neither DPS player will really rack up huge #s in the final parse.

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I'm assuming you're referring to the 402 dps parse I linked a bit over a month ago.

Here's with a BLM present. http://i.imgur.com/VpttB7I.jpg
Here's with two BLM present. http://i.imgur.com/1wt7D3n.jpg

I see fairly consistent dps regardless of the group. I don't think group makeup matters that much. Maybe 10, 20 dps at most. SMN should always be able to get around 400 on that fight, considering all phases are good for them.

Yeah, you had posted a 2x SMN run which would lead to slower, I suspect, p1/4s.

The 2x BLM parse is interesting. Personally I wouldn't consider P1/4 favorable for Summoners since I would generally expect everything to die too quickly. But, your parse shows otherwise. Nifty ^_^.

Edit: Are you double Baning a single/double DoT on P1/4 and SC Shadowflare or something? Swapping pets (Ifrit)?

Garuda everything.

Shadowflare and bane twice on spiders, and rouse+spur+enkindle the first set of spiders and the soldier/knight/spiders pack on p6. DoT and bane as much shit as possible.

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

Actually looking at the screenshot in more detail, I'm strongly disliking the import from archive, since the total damage values seem odd. Meh, hopefully I can get a cleaner parse from my friend this week.

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It looks about right. I just checked my damage on a dummy for about the same period of time as your CAD parse, and I got 81.25 dps for auto attacks. Total dps was 357.73 for the duration.

I don't have BiS, all myth/primals accessories including an i80 ultima ring. Not sure what your gear is like but probably goes to shows you how little difference BiS actually makes.

its the monk.

There is no point in arguing "what is the top dps for t5", because u need smn + blm for double slow on dreads (we had lot of pain with double blm), bard for songs and also boost blm and smn dps, so only choice is drg vs monk.

Dunno about the other jobs, but smn has one cool feature for this fight - can dps his own conflag and dreadnight while being stunned!

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Originally Posted by IzumiRaito

because u need smn + blm for double slow on dreads (we had lot of pain with double blm)

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But it works... our OT is stunning it 2-3 times, and thats enough, just for safety we put Slow on it...
(2 BLM, no SMN in our Raid)

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Originally Posted by IzumiRaito

There is no point in arguing "what is the top dps for t5", because u need smn + blm for double slow on dreads (we had lot of pain with double blm), bard for songs and also boost blm and smn dps, so only choice is drg vs monk.

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What are you talking about lol, my group goes with BRD/BLM/MNK/DRG with no problems, you don't need both SMN and BLM

Some food for thought as far as increasing group DPS goes

We had a PLD main tank the entire fight. our WAR tanked the 3 adds at start and the 4 small snakes.

I was DRG and put on Twintania from the very start, only switching off for conflags and Dreads. <==This made me #2 Aggro to the PLD. Since the #2 aggro doesnt get targeted with anything, we had the WAR stand away for dreads and just walk in to stun it with brutal swing, which i would follow with leg sweep. We experienced fluid and easy dreads, and a fast Twisters phase because of this.

As a note to the above posts, our comp was PLD,WAR,SCH,WHM,SMN,BRD,BRD,DRG

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Originally Posted by IzumiRaito

because u need smn + blm for double slow on dreads

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Dunno about this... our PLD seems to be able to keep Dreads in place so they barely move before there killed. Unless someone else is helping him stun them or something, because they literally only manage a few steps xD

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Originally Posted by Itseotle

Dunno about this... our PLD seems to be able to keep Dreads in place so they barely move before there killed. Unless someone else is helping him stun them or something, because they literally only manage a few steps xD

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Same, we have our WAR MT the whole fight, the PLD keeps the Dreadknights stunned and they die having only taken a step or two.

Our DPS composition currently is BLM/SMN/DRG/BRD. In general SMN is coming out on top overall, lacks some burst dmg but serious dps for lengthy encounters. DRG compliments BRD dps nicely with the piercing debuff so with both in a team they're on par in my opinion. And having Foe Requiem helps the casters numbers quite a bit. But overall SMN does best dps within our group. Still doesn't mean id like to take 4 SMN's through coil though xD

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Originally Posted by IzumiRaito

There is no point in arguing "what is the top dps for t5", because u need smn + blm for double slow on dreads (we had lot of pain with double blm), bard for songs and also boost blm and smn dps, so only choice is drg vs monk.

Dunno about the other jobs, but smn has one cool feature for this fight - can dps his own conflag and dreadnight while being stunned!

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We did it with only the BLM and it went perfectly fine.

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Originally Posted by IzumiRaito

There is no point in arguing "what is the top dps for t5", because u need smn + blm for double slow on dreads (we had lot of pain with double blm), bard for songs and also boost blm and smn dps, so only choice is drg vs monk.

Dunno about the other jobs, but smn has one cool feature for this fight - can dps his own conflag and dreadnight while being stunned!

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Our group has no summoner and a warrior OT. I apply miasma on the dreads as scholar and it works fine.

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Originally Posted by NoctisDrift

Our group has no summoner and a warrior OT. I apply miasma on the dreads as scholar and it works fine.

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How much accuracy do you have?

Off topic

Speak about Miasma with Healer low accuracy, its even working?

What about WHM Holy spell? Holy need accuracy? because my WHM in group doing that and I noticed most of healer does not have accuracy to hit anything in Coils

I wonder so next time when I see him do that again, I poked his head and stop doing that

well you are right, healers do not have accuracy. but base accuracy is 341, and cap accuracy for casters is around abut 430 (im not caster so i dunno the actual number) so you're still working with a fairly high chance to hit and if it helps, then why not? so long as the tanks dont die for it

Caster accuracy is 435, but being 100 points away is not fairly close. Infact it's super shit.

The dreads might have a lower accuracy requirement to hit though, the thing is SCH can use Bio and Bio2 no problem since they don't have initial hits, but both Miasmas do, and can miss because of it. I don't see the dread accuracy being that low for them to hit reliably

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Originally Posted by Seobit

I'm assuming you're referring to the 402 dps parse I linked a bit over a month ago.

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That's sort of nice, the only problem is that its highlighting the other members in that group did very poorly because the spiders shouldn't last long enough for anyone to accumulate that much damage. The MNK in that parse is nearly 100 DPS lower than he should be, for instance and the WAR is doing about 60% of what he should be doing; most of which is from AoE on the spiders. If they had been playing how they should have been playing the damage would have flattened.


As for overall turn DPS...

Turn1: First ADS I have seen MNK and SMN both pass 400 DPS, not sure about other classes offhand on Caduceus I have seen MNK and SMN both near/pass 400 DPS as well.
Turn2: Depends if you want full parse or just ADS, but generally MNK does the most barring any variables on all trash together or just ADS.
Turn4: Usually MNK or BLM; SMN usually falls behind a little when other DPS do well. Have seen MNK at 360+ DPS on this turn, its possible for them to also break 400 like this link if given the opportunity to do so.
Turn5: Have seen every DPS top the parse, really, there's a lot of variables such as fetters, DKs etc. Have had attempts where someone has had every fetter and every DK choice and nearly every liquid hell in the last phase. I guess for 100% I'm not willing to commit to say which is the best due to these variables.

Is there something I missed or why am I seeing all these crazy DPS Numbers?

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Originally Posted by Kuraran

Is there something I missed or why am I seeing all these crazy DPS Numbers?

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T1: multi-DoT city, you can easily go higher than training dummy DPS if played right. Hard to imagine DPS going higher than 400 just off of one multi-DoT target, though I can see it with certain cooldown usage and timing after the split.
T4: AoE and multi-DoT city, it's possible for any class to score high 300s depending on your group's comp/strategy, and more if the class does a larger % of the AoE than others.
T5: AoE, multi-DoTs, and the snake phase's triple damage debuff can pad your numbers enough to clear training dummy DPS.

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

T1: multi-DoT city, you can easily go higher than training dummy DPS if played right. Hard to imagine DPS going higher than 400 just off of one multi-DoT target, though I can see it with certain cooldown usage and timing after the split.
T4: AoE and multi-DoT city, it's possible for any class to score high 300s depending on your group's comp/strategy, and more if the class does a larger % of the AoE than others.
T5: AoE, multi-DoTs, and the snake phase's triple damage debuff can pad your numbers enough to clear training dummy DPS.

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Actually, I didn't really want an answer on how you get to that kind of DPS but I'll take it nevertheless.

For me it's more like I'm wondering (since I'm playing Monk) how it's possible to reach 400 dps from what I've already read in here.
Do you need the best equipment (BiS) to get to that kind of DPS, is my parser just broken (that it doesn't show or count something in that it should?) or is the rotation I use bad (although I checked on that already with someone else, so it should be fine...)

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Originally Posted by Zdenka

As for overall turn DPS...

Turn4: Usually MNK or BLM; SMN usually falls behind a little when other DPS do well. Have seen MNK at 360+ DPS on this turn, its possible for them to also break 400 like this link if given the opportunity to do so.

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Hey Zdenka!

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I agree with most of your claims, but I do have a bone to pick with your T4 statement. I just don't think there is a way a MNK can outdmg a BLM on T4 (granted both classes are being played correctly) unless the MNK is given some form of special treatment.

Take Arin for example, the lead he gains from the Phase 1, the supplemental Phase 4 AOE, and somewhat unlimited resource of MP is just too much momentum - MNKs would have to use rockbreaker with a supplemented TP song be able to keep up.

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Originally Posted by Kuraran

Do you need the best equipment (BiS) to get to that kind of DPS, is my parser just broken (that it doesn't show or count something in that it should?) or is the rotation I use bad (although I checked on that already with someone else, so it should be fine...)

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It's also possible to bring 2 MNKs to have one apply the DK debuff while the other can stick to Bootshining, this would grant the Bootshining MNK a 225 potency attack every rotation vs the usual DK.

There was a reddit post a little over a week ago that compiled a list of several parses. I believe the MNK who was able to break 400 dps on Cad mentioned he's still missing some pieces of gear and doesn't have another MNK applying the DK debuff for him though.

Link to the reddit post : http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...dgame_dps_job/

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Originally Posted by Timebomb

I agree with most of your claims, but I do have a bone to pick with your T4 statement. I just don't think there is a way a MNK can outdmg a BLM on T4 (granted both classes are being played correctly) unless the MNK is given some form of special treatment.

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Maybe I'll edit that parse and black out everything but MNK and BLM and post it. On that particular Turn 4 MNK was 364 DPS and the BLM was 300-330 something

You run out of TP at the end for about 10 seconds, but if you get Paeon for 5 seconds you don't run out. IF i had Soul Voice Paeon and that let me do Arm of the Destroyer in addition to Rock Breaker, and maybe the BLM/SMN do a tad less DPS then MNK can hit the highest DPS numbers on Turn 4 out of every class. People say MNK's AoE DPS sucks, but thats only because it runs out of TP :p

that monk with 404 dps hit an lb and didn't separate it.. also garuda isn't attached to smn.. otherwise it would b ahead of the monk.. best not to blur out dps parses.. who cares what the names on it are

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Originally Posted by Timebomb

Link to the reddit post : http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...dgame_dps_job/

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Cool.

http://i.imgur.com/bIaKRjW.png

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Originally Posted by Zdenka

Maybe I'll edit that parse and black out everything but MNK and BLM and post it. On that particular Turn 4 MNK was 364 DPS and the BLM was 300-330 something

You run out of TP at the end for about 10 seconds, but if you get Paeon for 5 seconds you don't run out. IF i had Soul Voice Paeon and that let me do Arm of the Destroyer in addition to Rock Breaker, and maybe the BLM/SMN do a tad less DPS then MNK can hit the highest DPS numbers on Turn 4 out of every class. People say MNK's AoE DPS sucks, but thats only because it runs out of TP :p

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No no, I agree that MNK is capable of 360+ as I've seen it been done multiple times even without Paeon, but I meant 400+ was a bit of a stretch if you have a BLM dpsing with you as well :D.

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Originally Posted by Misake

Cool.

http://i.imgur.com/bIaKRjW.png

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How does one have a 16:53 fight with Twintania, when it forcibly wipes your group i @ 13:00. Also the encounter DPS on that MNK is 264.

That parse has several things not right with it D:

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Originally Posted by Moonfall

that monk with 404 dps hit an lb and didn't separate it.. also garuda isn't attached to smn.. otherwise it would b ahead of the monk.. best not to blur out dps parses.. who cares what the names on it are

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You think so? The author of ACT FFXIV-plugin stated that LB's are now automatically separated from individuals. The SMN did 250 dps + 80 dps from garuda = 330 dps, not over 400.

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Originally Posted by Misake

Cool.

http://i.imgur.com/bIaKRjW.png

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Fight lasted 16:53 and Twin enrages at 13 min. Also like Zdenka mentioned the encounter DPS on the MNK doesn't quite add up. There are a few other questionable factors such as the deaths of Dreadknights, Conflags (not even shown), and Scourges are all at zero.

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Originally Posted by Zdenka

How does one have a 16:53 fight with Twintania, when it forcibly wipes your group i @ 13:00. Also the encounter DPS on that MNK is 264.

That parse has several things not right with it D:

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Oh c'mon don't ruin it D:

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Originally Posted by Timebomb

No no, I agree that MNK is capable of 360+ as I've seen it been done multiple times even without Paeon, but I meant 400 was a bit of a stretch.

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360+ DPS for MNK on Turn 4 generally doesn't happen in a group where everyone is doing the most damage they can because the Spiders die too quick, typically you get capped somewhere around 330 DPS. Its the same reason that the one parse of a SMN? doing 400+ DPS on Turn 4 is because the spiders lived a freakishly long time because their MNK was single targeting them down most likely. (in the case of this 360 dps on MNK, its because the BRD wasn't aoeing the adds)

If you meant on a fight in general for MNK to do over 400 DPS, that little intro ball in Turn 1 is the funniest example because it only lasts for 45-60 seconds, huge % of buff uptime.

Misake your SS does not make sense. Your SMN did 56648 more damage than you yet he have a lower DPS? There is also the fact that It says "DPS" not "EncDPS" so logically between these two points, I'm going to say there is no way in hell SMN does more damage than you and then less DPS -___- It does not make sense.

Can anyone help me with this:

http://i.imgur.com/A5OUqdO.png

This is from today T1 boss fight.

DPS Vs EncDPS why are they not equal?

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Originally Posted by NeoAmon

Can anyone help me with this:

http://i.imgur.com/A5OUqdO.png

This is from today T1 boss fight.

DPS Vs EncDPS why are they not equal?

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I'm curious about this as well. The DPS column hasn't ever been turned on by default in my ACT. I was looking at the screens and was like "Why isn't that in mine?" Anyway I've always just gone by the EncDPS.