There's nothing interesting happening. We have nothing to discuss.

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Originally Posted by Cegiana

Guilds and housing are NOT connected in any way.

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By Guilds he means Free Company's just saying.

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Originally Posted by Tridus1x

Even though I try to do this with my FC currently. If they need a last minute replacement for Coil, well, please tell me how I could help them? I'm already in a static that does a 1-5 1 hour clear but due to the lockouts(and the lockouts of lockouts because this game heard you like lockouts)I can't use any of my other level 50 classes that are geared enough to help them. Why were we able to level multiple jobs on one character, if we can't even gear up them to their full potential?

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Excellent question which they devs will not answer as it would point out a problem in their game design. They tried to sell you on the idea of 1 character for everything but then you realize making alts would have been a better idea.

It seems they are closing these threads... or threads complaining about end game.

wow, thats kind of whack they are just shutting down discussion threads in gen chat.

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Originally Posted by Tridus1x

I find doing coil fun. Since I can only do it once a week, that kinda hinders the amount of fun I have in the game. Why should I have to change what I do in a game that PAY for in order to get entertainment?

inb4 "unsub then lulz"- I already canceled auto renewal on my account. All they gotta do is remove all this red tape on things that are fun to me, then I'll stick around.

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We are in the minority and no one cares about us, thus enjoy your lockouts or gtfo. You see the "I PAY for this game!" argument only works if your a casual. They may say well it's so you don't leave and keep paying subs but that's a cop out. The real reason it's there is to ensure Casual Carl who can only play for 1 hour a week doesn't get behind in something he had no business doing in the first place endgame raiding.

If Casual Carl happens to be a really good Paladin, doesn't that give him business to be involved in endgame?

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Originally Posted by NyneAlexander

If Casual Carl happens to be a really good Paladin, doesn't that give him business to be involved in endgame?

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If Casual Carl were really so awesome would he need special accommodations to raid which others do not?

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Originally Posted by NyneAlexander

wow, thats kind of whack they are just shutting down discussion threads in gen chat.

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It is sad to see this and a tad discouraging to see them not able to take negative critical feedback along with the praise.

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Originally Posted by NyneAlexander

wow, thats kind of whack they are just shutting down discussion threads in gen chat.

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One of the reasons i'm done when my sub ends. Their inadequacies are showing, and they dislike that certain individuals point them out.

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Originally Posted by NyneAlexander

Here's something to discuss: What are the most overused insults on these forums?

My vote is for "special snowflake" or some iteration of this.

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I wouldn't say an overused insult but usually the first reply in any thread is a snide and smartass remark that probably gives a sense of "being awesome". I usually picture the person replying with a really smug look on their face and they look around the room to see if anyone saw how cool they were in doing it and then realize they are alone.

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Originally Posted by Skotie

If Casual Carl were really so awesome would he need special accommodations to raid which others do not?

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Who said Casual Carl needed special accommodations to raid? If this game was set up for "casual carl" then how are the accommodations special? And if you are upset about the game being for "Casual Carl" then shouldn't you go find a game designed for "Long-grind Lenny"?

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

It seems they are closing these threads... or threads complaining about end game.

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This is crazy. Not saying you are lying. Just that fact they are doing this...wow.

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Originally Posted by NyneAlexander

And if you are upset about the game being for "Casual Carl" then shouldn't you go find a game designed for "Long-grind Lenny"?

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Why can't it just cater to Balance Benny :( ? Why must it be extremes such as "WoW-guy" or "Octo-mom" :(

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Originally Posted by Doo

Why can't it just cater to Balance Benny :( ? Why must it be extremes such as WoW- guy or Octo-mom :(

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Truthfully, I would love that. Something a bit more grindy with awesome pay offs and a final fantasy coat of paint.

BUT WHERE IS THE ROOM FOR SIMPSON PUNS IN THAT???

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Originally Posted by NyneAlexander

Who said Casual Carl needed special accommodations to raid? If this game was set up for "casual carl" then how are the accommodations special? And if you are upset about the game being for "Casual Carl" then shouldn't you go find a game designed for "Long-grind Lenny"?

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An entire genre has been changed for Casual Carl and you don't see how this is a problem? Wow.

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Originally Posted by NyneAlexander

Truthfully, I would love that. Something a bit more grindy with awesome pay offs and a final fantasy coat of paint.

BUT WHERE IS THE ROOM FOR SIMPSON PUNS IN THAT???

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Balance Barney?

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Originally Posted by Skotie

An entire genre has been changed for Casual Carl and you don't see how this is a problem? Wow.

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Its only a problem for people that don't like the change. And if the majority didn't like the change, the it wouldn't have changed in the first place. Sorry :/

I play about 5-6 hours a day while also holding down a 40 hrs per week job. I have an i80 smn, i74 blm, and i72 bard. Other combat classes are at least 30, and I have levels in all the crafting classes. I haven't even started on Coil or Extremes. Given how much I play, it's not due to lack of time. I just chose to take my time. So while I think Casual Carl should realize that Long-grind Lenny is also playing the way they enjoy, LG Larry needs to realize that CC plays the way they like. Neither side is "right" about how you should play the game, because there's not just one way to play it.

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Originally Posted by NyneAlexander

Its only a problem for people that don't like the change. And if the majority didn't like the change, the it wouldn't have changed in the first place. Sorry :/

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I suppose but then I never tried playing something I disliked so much that I needed it to be completely changed in order for me to want to have fun. If I didn't like it I would have done what you suggest to just find another game, but of course those people didn't find another game.

Anyways it's not your fault, the game devs are the ones who changed everything to sell more copies.

When I think "if this was any other franchise but final fantasy, would I play it?" And I usually think no. I think this is the case for a lot of players.

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Originally Posted by SummonerSenah

I play about 5-6 hours a day while also holding down a 40 hrs per week job. I have an i80 smn, i74 blm, and i72 bard. Other combat classes are at least 30, and I have levels in all the crafting classes. I haven't even started on Coil or Extremes. Given how much I play, it's not due to lack of time. I just chose to take my time. So while I think Casual Carl should realize that Long-grind Lenny is also playing the way they enjoy, LG Larry needs to realize that CC plays the way they like. Neither side is "right" about how you should play the game, because there's not just one way to play it.

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Right, but the problem isn't that either side is pissed at the way the other side plays the game. The problem is that Long-Grind Lenny is pissed because he has nothing to do past monday, and that the Casual Carls of the world have changed the genre that he once fell in love with. I understand where long-grind lenny is coming from. But the problem is there are way more casual carls than long-grind Lennys. AT SOME POINT, Lenny is either going to have to suck it up and enjoy the forest for the trees, or move on. Or I guess the 3rd option is to continue to be salty about it but keep paying, which really doesn't do anything but enforce the game designed for Casual Carl.

Having said all of this... I am i90 BLM with almost a complete 2nd i90 set for itemization, i87SMN, and i86 SCH and WHM. I farm ex primals, and my static does T1-4 in less than 45 min. I have a wife and a full time job. If you ask my friends in game, they'd probably say I play a moderate amount. If you ask my wife shed probably say "him and that damn final fantasy game". Personally, I think the game needs more, but I won't lose sleep over the level of current content. But its probably better for my personal relationships out side of the game that it doesn't have more. Even if Long-Grind Lenny doesn't agree, he may be better off w/o it too.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

It seems they are closing these threads... or threads complaining about end game.

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It's about time.

NONE of those threads are constructive. If people have suggestions, then make them properly. This forum is filled with, "I have nothing to do but refuse to say I play 4-5 hours a day every day since release".

It's getting old.

Long-grind Lennys tend to MMO hop looking for that fix, though, while Casual Carl usually sticks with an MMO for a while because the stuff that matters to Lenny doesn't really matter to Carl. If I was SE I would probably cater to Carl as well, given that Carl is going to pay his sub longer. Unfortunately this does create a vicious cycle in which companies cater to casuals because they keep paying and don't realize that Long-grind Larry wouldn't quit if there was more for him to do.

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Originally Posted by SummonerSenah

Long-grind Lennys tend to MMO hop looking for that fix, though, while Casual Carl usually sticks with an MMO for a while because the stuff that matters to Lenny doesn't really matter to Carl.

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If that was the case all these Casual Carl casual mmos wouldn't be going F2P.

Casual Carl wants everything to be made easy so he can beat the game then move onto the next popular mmo.

Except theres plenty of casual style mmo's that aren't F2P. This, TESO, FFXI (now casual friendly), WoW...

I think F2P is way bigger than casual vs. hardcore, bigger than the MMO genre as a whole. It has less to do with making the game more accessible to casuals, and more to do with opening your product up to as many people as possible to then lure a bigger group into spending money.

I guess SE reached new low with deleting threads with critic and opinions that go against The Great Vision Of Yoshida, who can do no wrong. Just wow.

So what you're saying is that basically, SE is screwed either way. If they make it hard enough to lock out the casuals, they will lose them to another MMO. If they don't make it hard enough, they'll lose the hardcore to another MMO. And even if they did make it harder or have more content, the hardcore crowd would likely still finish it before more content was ready and still unsub, leaving SE with few customers. This is the root of the issue; SE is playing it safe by trying to meet both crowds halfway.

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Originally Posted by Doo

If that was the case all these Casual Carl casual mmos wouldn't be going F2P.

Casual Carl wants everything to be made easy so he can beat the game then move onto the next popular mmo.

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No, F2P MMOs are for Supercasual Stephanie and Cheapskate Chuck. Also Foolish Florence, who spends more money per month of microtransactions than he would with a sub.

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Originally Posted by SummonerSenah

So what you're saying is that basically, SE is screwed either way. If they make it hard enough to lock out the casuals, they will lose them to another MMO. If they don't make it hard enough, they'll lose the hardcore to another MMO. And even if they did make it harder or have more content, the hardcore crowd would likely still finish it before more content was ready and still unsub, leaving SE with few customers. This is the root of the issue; SE is playing it safe by trying to meet both crowds halfway.

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I've made suggestions in forums at least in other games on possible solutions for hardcore players but usually it's just met with criticism from the largely casual player base. The general consensus seems to be that they like the game the way it is and if you don't it's your problem. Anything which would be a big enough change to actually keep hardcore players happy they feel is a waste of resources.

For example one idea that I think would be a solution to both play styles is just making servers with different difficulties, upon character creation you had an option of how hard of a server you wanted to play on. Obviously you would have to work things out on specifics but the general idea would be like making FFXI pre-abysea servers in addition to the current FFXI servers.

But if you bring something like this up they just tell you "Those resources could be better used elsewhere." How?!?! What making new content you won't play until years from now because you have so little time you still haven't made level cap?

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Originally Posted by Fyce

No, complaining over and over again won't make content magically appears, it won't make FFXIV the best Final Fantasy ever nor the best MMO.

Yet, even if my post could easily be a really good application example for taking a job as Captain Ovbious sidekick, a lot of people seems to think that MMORPG have to deliver an infinity of content after 2 weeks.

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7 months not 2 weeks.

What to you want us to say... the 100th thread about this topic in the last few days.... seriously? Go play WoW again.

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Originally Posted by Blackcanary

7 months not 2 weeks.

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Nope.

These exact same threads were all over the forums back when the game launched too, wasn't enough content then and there still isn't now.

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Originally Posted by Grembo

Nope.

These exact same threads were all over the forums back when the game launched too, wasn't enough content then and there still isn't now.

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I've been playing this game since it was in beta stage last year . Took my time with it and everything. Yet SE have them self to blame for everything that is happening now. The fact that Yoshi P got his dev time to play WOW and not even FFXI was a bad idea in its self we have a WOW plus a few other MMORPG clone add the title ff to it and no one will no difference thats what they want u to think lol. If I was SE i would have 3 people to read through the comments see which complaints come up the most which new ideas seem to pop up a lot and bang there you go improve and fix what you can.

Its not that hard.

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Originally Posted by Djeserit

No, F2P MMOs are for Supercasual Stephanie and Cheapskate Chuck. Also Foolish Florence, who spends more money per month of microtransactions than he would with a sub.

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Originally Posted by Blackcanary

If I was SE i would have 3 people to read through the comments see which complaints come up the most which new ideas seem to pop up a lot and bang there you go improve and fix what you can.

Its not that hard.

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Have you read this forum?

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Originally Posted by Imapooonu

Have you read this forum?

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They would be getting paid no complaints. It would be there Job I find all the post quite interesting to read. For so many people to complain on such a level there is only a negative comment if you see it that way. Even a negative comment can be turned around to be a constractive and positive comment. Problem is when you are the person that made the game some times you can have to much pride to take on board all the bad and turn it into something good, amazing and balanced.

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Originally Posted by Blackcanary

They would be getting paid no complaints. It would be there Job I find all the post quite interesting to read. For so many people to complain on such a level there is only a negative comment if you see it that way. Even a negative comment can be turned around to be a constractive and positive comment. Problem is when you are the person that made the game some times you can have to much pride to take on board all the bad and turn it into something good, amazing and balanced.

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I'm not disagreeing with you, but this is probably their stance:


*Considering the ability to subdue the overcritical comments reflecting approximately 1-3% of our customer base who can commonly be described as "game hoppers", it's determined to be in our best interest to moderate behind the scenes and let things die down while said customers begin to leave the game. We should moderate through the flagging system for now, and focus our energy towards delivering a product our dedicated and more casual customer fan base will appreciate and respect. The problem will correct itself in a short amount of time (nature of the game hoppers) and a dedicated involvement at this time will be counterproductive.

Reanalysis is needed in the near future.

Something like that I'd imagine.

Game is half off again on Amazon, way too many discounts in just 5 months and it even was $10 at one point, I mean it's good for new people who want to try it out but it also seems a bit desperate for new subs.

Here OP, have a toast!

Welcome to the endgame.

oh wait endgame here, I guess I really mean the end of the game? XD.

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What i just read there is a joke do they honestly believe catering to the Casual Market is what will keep this game alive don't they understand that Casual Market are the game hoppers the ones that jump on to the next big thing once Elder Scrolls comes out the casual customers will end up leaving this game in the dust. My friend list is filled with casual players who get to level 20 or 30 with one job and never come back. Its the Hard core players the once trying to give SE advice even in the rants that will end up staying. That is really sad to read.