Vote Abandon has got to go

Meh, in this day and age of "I ain't got time for you sh** noob" mentality, vote abandon just helps 'politely' smooth things over in saying "fail party".

More reasons to use the PF I guess... funny how people thought the DF would kill this game, were actually getting more reasons to stray away from it.

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Originally Posted by ReiszRie

wait for the other 11 slots to be slowly filled

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It could still be faster than going fresh into the queue again. As long as people are using in-progress joins.

Besides, if you voted No, it obviously means you wanted to continue. If you don't want to "waste time" waiting for replacements, wouldn't you have voted Yes, and thus exited without penalty already? In which case why would you care what the remaining people do?

Allowing people who voted Yes to stay behind, gives them a choice. There's no reason why those who refuse to abandon it are forced to abandon. They wanted to continue, which means they accept that they wait for replacements. Give them that choice. If they wait for 20 minutes and decide to abandon, they can then abandon.

My friend had this...

Premade group with tank who queued for dungeon

random DPS ( my friend) after 40 minute queue joined dungeon

dungeon starts, premade voted abandon, byebye

Vote abandon should require 100% yes votes.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

lol accusing people of abusing vote abandon.

If a party wipes multiple times and someone chooses to vote abandon and others agree to it. It's not abuse. That's the intended design.

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Boom we have a winner! Don't let the thread bother you. People were bound to coming running to the forum when they got mad when the group disbanded.

Solution: Vote Abandon kicks people who vote yes (when more than 2) only. That's what it is there for after all, people who are going "This isn't working" and want to leave without eating a 30 minute downtime. Everyone else remains and can refill the party and not lose the progress.

Alternatively, Vote Abandon simply removes the 30 minute downtime from leaving that instance. Once enough vote yes, people can leave without fear of the downtime if they want.

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Originally Posted by firepixiedarien

Short and sweet cuz I'm very angry right now: was in CT, Alliance A had 4 melee dps. Wiped 3x on Atomos, we almost had it the 3rd time. Someone Vote Abandoned, I clicked no, the Vote went through and I was booted.

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So why didnt you co-ordinate with the other 2 Alliances to swap some of their ranged for your melee?

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Originally Posted by Sotek

Solution: Vote Abandon kicks people who vote yes (when more than 2) only. That's what it is there for after all, people who are going "This isn't working" and want to leave without eating a 30 minute downtime. Everyone else remains and can refill the party and not lose the progress.

Alternatively, Vote Abandon simply removes the 30 minute downtime from leaving that instance. Once enough vote yes, people can leave without fear of the downtime if they want.

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I will then await the next thread complaining about people being able to leave their instance without penalty and how it's abuse and harassment and the players who voted yes should be named, shamed, banned and struggled against before being exiled to Siberia.

Really they won't be happy unless players are forced to stick with groups, which is never going to happen because most of us happen to be grown adults who can do what we want with our leisure time.

To be totally fair, this game is NOT played by ONLY adults,but many youngsters without maturity, giving them a tool that requires a degree of maturity is very dangerous as they do not have the requires levelled to actually know when and how to use it. Equally, though, many supposed adults are worse then children, just because they can hide behind the anonimity of the internet.

Abandon/kick is a bad tool !

Mei

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Originally Posted by Sotek

Solution: Vote Abandon kicks people who vote yes (when more than 2) only. That's what it is there for after all, people who are going "This isn't working" and want to leave without eating a 30 minute downtime. Everyone else remains and can refill the party and not lose the progress.

Alternatively, Vote Abandon simply removes the 30 minute downtime from leaving that instance. Once enough vote yes, people can leave without fear of the downtime if they want.

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this was delicious

This is an amazingly stupid feature. Really 50%? Should be 75% or 6/8 or 3/4 not 12 freaking people. This is the dumbest implementation yet.

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Originally Posted by Tears-of-Death

This is an amazingly stupid feature. Really 50%? Should be 75% or 6/8 or 3/4 not 12 freaking people. This is the dumbest implementation yet.

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The one who initiates the vote does not count, so it's actually more than 50%.
And for CT that would be the initiator + 12, for 13/24.

If half the people are sick of wiping to easy thing, and want to leave who is anyone to force them to stay?? How is wanting to leave abuse??

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Originally Posted by RoninDarkchild

If half the people are sick of wiping to easy thing, and want to leave who is anyone to force them to stay?? How is wanting to leave abuse??

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It's not so much that people wanting to leave is abuse, the problem is that it forces everyone to leave. If I'm at King Behemoth and one party is failing horribly and wants to abandon, I'd gladly let them if I can keep the progress up to that point.

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Originally Posted by Sotek

Solution: Vote Abandon kicks people who vote yes (when more than 2) only. That's what it is there for after all, people who are going "This isn't working" and want to leave without eating a 30 minute downtime. Everyone else remains and can refill the party and not lose the progress.

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Originally Posted by AltaneenXIV

...It seems you are not speaking of vote to abandon, so idk. Not familiar with how vote to kick works sorry.

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Originally Posted by MurakumoMillennium

Vote kick ≠ vote abandon.

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Ah I see, my mistake. The vote kick is kind of a bummer then =/.

What happens if u don't vote at all!! Is this a yes or a no after a period of time, or the vote never terminates????

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Originally Posted by ReiszRie

If half of the raid voted to abandon raid, that would be 12 players you'll need to wait to be filled... you honestly think waiting for 12 "in progress" players is a good idea? not to mention that the poor guy who joined the "in progress" raid is now left with no option but to wait for the other 11 slots to be slowly filled.

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Actually, this sort of thing happened to me last week, sort of. I was queued in-progress and joined a 0/4 group. When I popped into CT, there were maybe 3 or 4 other people in Alliance A with me, and nobody in the other alliances. Apparently nobody from the original group was still left, either, because everybody was asking what happened and nobody seemed to know. Within 5 minutes, all the alliances filled up and we had a very smooth run.

This thread basically highlights forum mentality when it comes to which opinion is the majority and which is the minority:

"I want things to be implemented that would satisfy the majority of players. Unless I happen to be in the minority in this instance. Then I hate it and it shouldn't be done"

The TRUE TRUE problem here is that Atomos, while cool in theory, is a pretty poorly designed battle. It creates discrimination against melee, and sometimes makes it so melee have to stand there with contributing nothing (which I've had to do before). The idea of an Alliance's actions effecting another Alliance is cool but they could have done it much better.

Also, I know that trading people is common but still..it's DF dungeon and there shouldn't need to be swapping like that.

The whole voting thing has just made the lockout timer for quitting obsolete. Want to leave? Use vote abandon. They all voted no? Just derp around until you're vote kicked.

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Originally Posted by Jubez187

The TRUE TRUE problem here is that Atomos, while cool in theory, is a pretty poorly designed battle. It creates discrimination against melee, and sometimes makes it so melee have to stand there with contributing nothing (which I've had to do before).

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All 4 melee stay on Atomos, the healers and tanks stay on the platform. If the tanks/healers don't have enough dps to down the adds (though they usually do), a melee can occasionally peel off to help kill them.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

So why didnt you co-ordinate with the other 2 Alliances to swap some of their ranged for your melee?

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There is no need to do that. People just don't want to think and adjust.

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Originally Posted by Jubez187

The TRUE TRUE problem here is that Atomos, while cool in theory, is a pretty poorly designed battle. It creates discrimination against melee, and sometimes makes it so melee have to stand there with contributing nothing (which I've had to do before). The idea of an Alliance's actions effecting another Alliance is cool but they could have done it much better.

Also, I know that trading people is common but still..it's DF dungeon and there shouldn't need to be swapping like that.

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Again, you don't need to swap people like that. There is nothing wrong with the design of the battle. There is something wrong with people not willing to adjust.

On King Behemoth, 4 tanks are sitting there contributing very little. Just stand there, every once in a while click, run to a meteor. Not seeing any complaints there.

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Originally Posted by MurakumoMillennium

All 4 melee stay on Atomos, the healers and tanks stay on the platform. If the tanks/healers don't have enough dps to down the adds (though they usually do), a melee can occasionally peel off to help kill them.

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Who is bringing the adds to the platform? They are out of reach to the platform people when they spawn. But points for trying to figure a way to do it with all melees. At least someone is willing to adjust. With melee heavy group, tank brings the mob to the SIDE of the platform, so the DPS are hitting it on the side without getting off the platform. There, people have 2 ways to do this on a melee heavy group for a starting point.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

It's not really abusing it in the OPs case. More then 50% of their group wanted to give up and they voted yes so the group was disbanded. How is using the feature for its intended function abuse?

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Correction: AT LEAST 50% of the group wanted to, not more than

all you need is HALF of the group to vote yes

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Originally Posted by Sotek

Solution: Vote Abandon kicks people who vote yes (when more than 2) only. That's what it is there for after all, people who are going "This isn't working" and want to leave without eating a 30 minute downtime. Everyone else remains and can refill the party and not lose the progress.

Alternatively, Vote Abandon simply removes the 30 minute downtime from leaving that instance. Once enough vote yes, people can leave without fear of the downtime if they want.

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Again, this is the solution to the problem.

i don't understand what this is about....someone kept initiating Abandon and i clicked 'no' and i got to stay and the initiator was booted instead. it didn't drag me with them. are you sure you aren't clicking yes to the abandon?

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Originally Posted by warren-ragnarok

Correction: AT LEAST 50% of the group wanted to, not more than

all you need is HALF of the group to vote yes

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Vote Abandon requires a majority vote of 62.5%. The person who initiates is an automatic "yes," and then four more "yes"es are required. If you want to view it another way, it requires 4 of 7 people to vote "yes," which is 57.1%. If 4 people vote "no," the vote fails. At least, that's what the patch notes say.

I apologize if you already knew this. I wasn't sure.

I think all they'd really need to do to fix it is give people who vote no the option to stay behind.