I foresee summoners getting kicked out of static groups.

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12-16-2013, 05:56 PM
Yamimarik

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Originally Posted by Venos

Off-topic: Yamimarik, how did you become a hyur again? O.o

Item Restoration I got my Phial of Fantasia restored through the Item Restoration GM service. :3
12-16-2013, 06:02 PM
Venos

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Originally Posted by Yamimarik

Item Restoration I got my Phial of Fantasia restored through the Item Restoration GM service. :3

XD I'd like some details if it's ok with you, I would like to make one of my mancats a hyur.
12-16-2013, 06:19 PM
Yamimarik

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Originally Posted by Venos

XD I'd like some details if it's ok with you, I would like to make one of my mancats a hyur.

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Originally Posted by Nikita

Sorry for the late reply, had to log on to the game to explain it better. :D

Press Esc to go to System Menu > Support Desk > click "Search Database" (you can leave the field empty) > click "Support Team"

From there I set Question 1 as "In-Game" and Question 2 as "Game Master Services"

Title: Item Restoration: Fantasia

In the body I basically said that I made a mistake with my original Phial and I would please like to use my one time item restoration service to have my Phial of Fantasia restored.

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Originally Posted by BinnyBees

So I pretty much said that I used my phial 2 1/2 months ago, that I was unaware of the 10 day restoration restriction, and that I was unhappy with my choice of race/consumption of the item. I also stated, and this is VERY important, that I wanted to use my 1 time item restoration policy feature for this request. I feel like THIS is what nailed me my success. I also stressed how I understand this restoration can only be used ONCE per account.

How I contacted them was:

1) Log into the game.
2) Press 'Escape' then press 'Support Desk'.
3) At the bottom, right-hand corner of that 'Support Desk' window, click on 'Search Database'.
4) Look for "How to contact a Game Master" and click on that.
5) At the bottom, right-hand corner of that window, click on "Ask Question"
6) Title your request as: "1 time Phial of Fantasia Restoration" or something.
7) Proceed to type in whatever you'd like regarding your inquiry.

Hope that helps you guys !! <3

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...station/page91

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Originally Posted by Yamimarik

Finally after 2 weeks and 2 tickets later, I got my Fantasia back! Just keep pestering them guys, but in a nice polite way! It feels so nice to be Hyur again.

I followed all of that and got my Fantasia back through the GM services. Hope this helps you out.

On topic just to be safe: Still don't think people will kick SMN's out of statics....
12-16-2013, 07:22 PM
Aeliott

The static I'm in has (well, had?) 2 SMNs, and everything just melts before them...

If anything I think most people would prefer MNK/DRG, BRD, SMN, BLM as their dps setup.
12-16-2013, 07:49 PM
Raiker

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Originally Posted by Yuichi

Did you guys try virus pretending it had 60sec cd?

It's actually 90 second cool down. The mob will be immune from virus for 60 seconds after it expires. Pretty much made the ability as SMN only one, at least with any real applicability.
12-16-2013, 07:55 PM
Raiker

Oh, and this:

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Originally Posted by OmegaNovaios

In 2.1 the loss of Thunder is replaced with the addition of Blizzard II for SMN. SMN was already the king of non-SR (speed run) AOE, now it's going to help close the gap on SR AOE when compared to other jobs. Before you had to cast Thunder individually on every target to maximize AOE DPS on 2-4 targets (which took up the entire time between your rotation). Now Thunder mutlicast is replaced with Blizzard II and it works very similarly to casting Ruin/Ruin II between DOTs in your rotation. You never really had enough time to cast Thunder on all 4 mobs between rotations.

Bio: Potency 40/tick Duration 18s (6 ticks) Total Potency = 240 (2-4)
Miasma: Potency 20 + Potency 35/tick Duration 24s (8 ticks) Total Potency = 300 (2-4)
Bio II: Potency 35/tick Duration 30s (10 ticks) Total Potency = 350 (2-4)
Shadow Flare: Potency 25/tick Duration 30s (10 ticks) Total Potency = 250 (ALL)
Miasma II: Potency 20 + Potency 10/tick 15s (5 ticks) Total potency = 70 (ALL)

Bane: Potency 0

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Originally Posted by OmegaNovaios

Blizzard II x3: Potency 50 (ALL) Total Potency = 150 (ALL)
OR 450 POT on 3 mobs
v
Thunder x3: Potency 30 + Potency 35/tick Duration 18s = Total Potency 240 (2-3)
OR 720 POT on 3 mobs

Total Potency on 3 mobs:
Blizzard II Rotation = 4,080
Thunder Roation = 4,350

Too hard to calculate Pet DMG here but it will lessen the DPS the gap between these
two rotations, but as is, that is:

4,080/4,350 = 93.8% OR a loss in 6.2% TOTAL DMG on 3 targets w/o pet

However on 5+ targets Blizzard II does actually increase your TOTAL DMG exponentially per target increase and also Blizzard II will increase AOE burst DPS for both 2-4 and 5+ targets. Sometimes mobs die before DOTs expire, which is particularly bad for SMN trying to level up or earn Gold in FATEs.
12-16-2013, 08:08 PM
AjoraOak

lol, did I just read king of non-speed run aoe? XD I'm amazed people are even looking at blizzard 2...
12-16-2013, 08:22 PM
AdvancedWind

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Originally Posted by BlueMage

Considering everyone (even BLMs, lol) is claiming their class is being nerfed to the point of uselessness (or not buffed enough and is still useless) and nobody will ever bring them, I wonder who everybody will bring to dungeons and raids? 4 WARs for WP? 8 WARs for Coil?

Eight scholars, given the lustrate buff / holy and medica II nerf that apparently killed white mages based on some threads.
12-16-2013, 08:45 PM
Draconix

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Originally Posted by matthew_martigan

On a plus side we lose thunder but pick up blizzard so for wp speed runs we can put up our dots hit bane and then just spam the hell out of blizzard rinse repeat

Just curious where you are getting that they get Blizzard? As far as I know the only cross class skills for SMN are: Raging Strikes, Thunder (No More), Surecast, Swiftcast, Hawk's Eye, and Quelling Strikes.

The 2.1 patch notes have nothing on Summoner other than them removing Thunder and PVP. So color me confused where Blizzard comes in?
12-16-2013, 08:53 PM
nitram

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Originally Posted by FMElan

99% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

...Including that one.

It's 99% now? I thought it was 70%
12-16-2013, 10:39 PM
KerenRhys

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Originally Posted by Draconix

Just curious where you are getting that they get Blizzard? As far as I know the only cross class skills for SMN are: Raging Strikes, Thunder (No More), Surecast, Swiftcast, Hawk's Eye, and Quelling Strikes.

The 2.1 patch notes have nothing on Summoner other than them removing Thunder and PVP. So color me confused where Blizzard comes in?

From the patch notes:

Blizzard II Potency has been reduced from 100 to 50, and the bind effect has been increased from 4 to 8 seconds. Can now be used by all Disciples of Magic.
* Only thaumaturge and black mage gain the effect of Umbral Ice.
12-16-2013, 10:48 PM
Flip

Was Thunder really that big of a deal to Summoners? I feel like people are overreacting about this one.
12-16-2013, 11:21 PM
Seraphita

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Originally Posted by dbrewer225

also no more class stacking as the more classes you stack the slower the limit break guage will fill up. so no, 2 blm will not make the situation better. just like the gif above. deal with it.

Since when does the rate of the limit break bar increasing matter?
Limit breaks are not even needed at all, they are a crutch for badly geared players and mistakes.
Sure it helps in certain situations, but in certain situations you can do more damage faster by bringing a certain setup of DPS than a limit break can even do throughout the entire fight.
12-16-2013, 11:32 PM
Klive

Booting summoners from statics?

Why would my coil group boot the only dps that can battle raise, off tanks adds, and still do good dps? Really a clutch summoner save raids with quick battle raises and picking up adds with titan-egi. Heck my LS coil t4 strat uses titan-egi to collect soldiers and we clear it before enrage. So yeah, not being booted.
12-16-2013, 11:42 PM
Aeliott

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Originally Posted by Flip

Was Thunder really that big of a deal to Summoners? I feel like people are overreacting about this one.

Well, a full duration Thunder offers 240 potency. Now the only alternative to use in place of it is to start Ruin / II which is 80. So every time you'd ordinarily use Thunder, you've lost 160 potency compared to what you had in 2.0.
12-17-2013, 12:10 AM
NeruMew

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Originally Posted by Aeliott

Well, a full duration Thunder offers 240 potency. Now the only alternative to use in place of it is to start Ruin / II which is 80. So every time you'd ordinarily use Thunder, you've lost 160 potency compared to what you had in 2.0.

Well atleast you guys got an AoE filler..... lol (honestly they shouldnt have touched Blizzard II and Thunder)..

What's the potency on Miasma II (short range AoE dot, right?)?
12-17-2013, 01:26 AM
Draconix

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Originally Posted by KerenRhys

From the patch notes:

Blizzard II Potency has been reduced from 100 to 50, and the bind effect has been increased from 4 to 8 seconds. Can now be used by all Disciples of Magic.
* Only thaumaturge and black mage gain the effect of Umbral Ice.

Oh ok, I was looking for SMN notes, not elsewhere. Easy oversight. Thanks for the info!
12-17-2013, 07:34 AM
Beebles

Thunder is not a big part of your damage, stop pretending it is.
12-17-2013, 07:43 AM
Jarlax

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Originally Posted by Linadae

I had friends in wow kick me from a raid static because I was 800dps too low...trust me it happens. People loose their minds over the prospect of Leet gear.

those weren't friends
12-17-2013, 07:46 AM
LemmingKingXXX

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Originally Posted by Arkghyom

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." - Mark Twain.

http://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Statis.../dp/0393310728
12-17-2013, 07:50 AM
veg

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Originally Posted by PlanckZero

Considering that Thunder accounts for 70% of a Summoner's damage they deserve to get kicked.

Oh so good lols ensued.
12-17-2013, 07:53 AM
Kantide

I'm a SMN and never used thunder anyway. It was a hinderance to my rotation TBH. Plus, now I get blizzard 2 to add to Tri-disaster. Master of binds? Yes please!
12-17-2013, 07:53 AM
T0rin

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Originally Posted by Seraphita

Since when does the rate of the limit break bar increasing matter?
Limit breaks are not even needed at all, they are a crutch for badly geared players and mistakes.
Sure it helps in certain situations, but in certain situations you can do more damage faster by bringing a certain setup of DPS than a limit break can even do throughout the entire fight.

Since it is required in Turn 5, you know, the hardest content in the game? Wouldn't expect you to know that though.
12-17-2013, 07:58 AM
Kantide

[ sarcasm ] I lead my static as a SMN and they all just messaged me to say they were moving on because I don't have thunder anymore... OH THE HUMANITY [ /sarcasm ]
12-17-2013, 08:01 AM
veg

The sky is falling is seemingly accurate.
12-17-2013, 08:11 AM
T0rin

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Originally Posted by Kantide

[ sarcasm ] I lead my static as a SMN and they all just messaged me to say they were moving on because I don't have thunder anymore... OH THE HUMANITY [ /sarcasm ]

And here I was hoping your other post was sarcasm.
12-17-2013, 08:28 AM
Kantide

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Originally Posted by T0rin

And here I was hoping your other post was sarcasm.

Poor guy only thinks there one "right way" to play the game. Sorry to have crushed your hopes. Doing just fine without it though.
12-17-2013, 08:34 AM
T0rin

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Originally Posted by Kantide

Poor guy only thinks there one "right way" to play the game. Sorry to have crushed your hopes. Doing just fine without it though.

Yes, bad players do generally think they are doing just fine.

But, when you willingly choose to not do your job to the best of your ability because doing so would be a 'hindrance', hate to break it to you sweetie, but you're doing it 'wrong'.
12-17-2013, 08:35 AM
Madoka

If you weren't using Thunder you were gimping your own damage and won't notice a difference. Now we that did use thunder are getting gimped and will notice a difference. My DoT ticks are 24% weaker, rip
12-17-2013, 08:36 AM
Aethaeryn

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Originally Posted by Kantide

I'm a SMN and never used thunder anyway. It was a hinderance to my rotation TBH. Plus, now I get blizzard 2 to add to Tri-disaster. Master of binds? Yes please!

Not using thunder was a hindrance to your damage output, to the tune of roughly 10%. Bind still has diminishing returns, so tri-disaster will now go from situational to useless with the higher cast time (or less situational, I guess you can still cast tri-disaster from a distance). There's no good reason to leave thunder out of your rotation as a summoner.
12-17-2013, 08:57 AM
Waliel

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Originally Posted by Beebles

Thunder is not a big part of your damage, stop pretending it is.

It may not be a "big" part of your damage, but it's still going to be a decent chunk. Even for BLMs, the Thunder dot alone is around 10%, if I'm remembering my parses correctly.
12-17-2013, 09:10 AM
Vortok

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Originally Posted by veg

The sky is falling is seemingly accurate.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/i...ZC9UJBl9m4sCTQ
12-17-2013, 09:19 AM
Nialle

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Originally Posted by PlanckZero

Considering that Thunder accounts for 70% of a Summoner's damage they deserve to get kicked.

+1 would lol again.
12-17-2013, 09:36 AM
Nonlinear314

when did 8 man "raids" become such serious business?
12-17-2013, 09:52 AM
SummonerSenah

I main summoner, but I leveled BLM to 50 as an alternate, and ironically, half the time I run as BLM (especially in four man dungeons), my FC mates lament not having my summoner for a back up raiser. BLM also doesn't have quite the mobility that summoner does. When I asked my FC if I should level something besides summoner, they said "Only if you really want to." So I think if you are in a Free Company willing to kick you out after this patch, you are just in a group of elitists and are probably better off without them anyway.

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