Please add iLvl sync to save new end game content from being facerolled.

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

I would ask for awesome and challenging open world beastmen stronghold if i had a slight chance to see that implemented!
What we have are easy dungeons, lets at least make the harder?

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Cool. Have a suggestion to make them harder? I haven't seen any yet. Just a suggestion to make them slower. But why make the current ones harder? Why not suggest new dungeons to be added that are harder than our current ones?

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

I would ask for awesome and challenging open world beastmen stronghold if i had a slight chance to see that implemented!
What we have are easy dungeons, lets at least make the harder?

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Sure, add more content.

This idea just makes getting to the place the top guys are, even longer (and more boring). By syncing gear you remove the primary reason to get gear in the first place.

OP = Elitist = guy who wants to spoil the game for everybody by forcing everybody to play HIS way, i.e. as it were an unpaid job with no fun whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by Reslin

3 are for the poster's suggestion (including the OP himself.) 12 are against. You are outnumbered by 4 times so I think it's safe to say that most people agree that this is a bad idea.

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Dude this is a forum not a democracy :P who cares how many are against me i can still voice my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

I would ask for awesome and challenging open world beastmen stronghold if i had a slight chance to see that implemented!
What we have are easy dungeons, lets at least make them harder?

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Completion time and difficulty are not the same thing. Stop mistaking a time sink as difficulty.
Mechanics are difficult, doing less damage is not.

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

Dude this is a forum not a democracy :P who cares how many are against me i can still voice my opinion.

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When it comes to game changes the devs disagree. If more people hate something than support something there's no way they're going to implement it. Feel free to voice your opinion no one hear is saying you can't just know your opinion isn't shared by the majority.

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

Dude this is a forum not a democracy :P who cares how many are against me i can still voice my opinion.

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Correct, and as such the rest of us are more than welcome to point out how you are a fringe minority.

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

Dude this is a forum not a democracy :P who cares how many are against me i can still voice my opinion.

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The issue with your "opinion" is even with this "change" everything in FFXIV:ARR would still be a face roll. If you think this would make it harder, you are terrible.
#TrueElitist

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Originally Posted by EmSix

Well you have ways of doing that - You don't need to force your challenge on others though. You should work on Twintania more though if you still aren't killing it (or is that challenge too much for you and your friends?)
Also don't lump me in with you, I'm not lazy.

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There are things called real life, family and job that prevents us from spending 7 days a week at the coil.
Being there by playing 2 days a week with a linkshell is quite an achievement for us.

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

There are things called real life, family and job that prevents us from spending 7 days a week at the coil.
Being there by playing 2 days a week with a linkshell is quite an achievement for us.

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The irony. You complain about not having time but instead of wanting something to be more difficult you ask for the time it takes to complete things to be longer. This boggles my mind.

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Originally Posted by Reslin

The irony. You complain about not having time but instead of wanting something to be more difficult you ask for the time it takes to complete things to be longer. This boggles my mind.

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Read better, i never complained about not having TIME. It is my business how i organize my time.
I complained about not having a CHALLENGE outside of a very few instances.
What is mindboggling is how many of you think that getting gear to faceroll easier content is the best this game has to offer.

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

Read better, i never complained about not having TIME.
I complained about not having a CHALLENGE outside of a very few instances.

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Doing less damage is not a challenge.
Stop mistaking a time investment as a challenge.
Mechanics are challenging, doing less damage is not.
On top of that - The more you complete something the less challenging it becomes by sheer experience, you're never going to have an ever repeating challenge.

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

Read better, i never complained about not having TIME. It is my business how i organize my time.
I complained about not having a CHALLENGE outside of a very few instances.
What is mindboggling is how many of you think that getting gear to faceroll easier content is the best this game has to offer.

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You're not asking for anything to be more challenging. You say you want things to be more challenging but you still don't provide a solution or a suggestion. You ask for things to take longer not be harder.

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Originally Posted by Reslin

You're not asking for anything to be more challenging. You say you want things to be more challenging but you still don't provide a solution or a suggestion. You ask for things to take longer not be harder.

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No im asking for lvl 50 and above instances to work EXACTLY like any instance below level 50 already works.
No more, no less.

We are getting to the point where we faceroll content to get better gear to faceroll content faster to get better gear to faceroll content faster to...

Some one will get my point.

edit to EmSix:

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Originally Posted by EmSix

Still waiting for a reply to this post:

But I guess arguing that one is too much of a challenge.

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You know there is a daily post limit... right? Even if i wanted to reply, i cant ;)
Back to gaming!

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

There are things called real life, family and job that prevents us from spending 7 days a week at the coil.
Being there by playing 2 days a week with a linkshell is quite an achievement for us.

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At this point you must've realized you've lost. That implied Ad Hominem automatically devalues anything you have said this thread. Thanks for your time.

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

No im asking for lvl 50 and above instances to work EXACTLY like any instance below level 50 already works.
No more, no less.

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So you've changed your original point, it's not really about a challenge is it? It's about forcing your ideas onto everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

No im asking for lvl 50 and above instances to work EXACTLY like any instances below level 50 already works.
No more, no less.

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Right. You want time sinks. I want a challenge. You're satisfied with easy content so long as it has more time sinks and takes longer to do. I want new harder instances to be added into the game. Stop asking for an easy faceroll game with more time sinks.

See what I did there?

Still waiting for a reply to this post:

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Originally Posted by EmSix

Doing less damage is not a challenge.
Stop mistaking a time investment as a challenge.
Mechanics are challenging, doing less damage is not.
On top of that - The more you complete something the less challenging it becomes by sheer experience, you're never going to have an ever repeating challenge.

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But I guess arguing that one is too much of a challenge.

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

Well i guess to each his own.

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This is a good philosophy :P With the current system, you and like-minded players can use whatever ilvl gear you want to keep the content as challenging as you'd like while also allowing everyone else to play with whatever ilvl gear they'd like to make the dungeon as easy as possible. To each their own.

But if the devs applied your suggestion, it would take away the freedom everyone has now and force the community to play how you like to whether they'd like it or not.

Arguments, arguments everywhere. Sigh.
Ok, sighs aside.

What about SCALING UP the content based on the party's overall gears instead of what OP has mentioned?
I don't know how true it is, but someone told me that the Limit Break is based on the current party's gears and not the one who uses it.
Likewise, I think SE can really work on scaling up the dungeons' difficulties so that people with ilvl90 gears would clear the dungeon as fast as people with lower ilvl gears would.
Cheers.

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Originally Posted by EmSix

Still waiting for a reply to this post:

But I guess arguing that one is too much of a challenge.

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I'll bite on this one. The point is quite simple really; you're just deliberately ignoring all the other effects that gear scaling would have. You wouldn't just have lower damage, you would also have lower healing, lower health and lower threat generation. Couple those with a fight taking longer as a result and you have many many more chances to fail a dodge and it would be far harder to recover from them.

I can't help but laugh at the implication that lower stats don't make a fight challenging... it's as if you're trying to suggest outgearing a dungeon doesn't make it easier. Those parties that want overgeared people for AK or WP don't just do it because of the speed boost. The fact that many of them don't even bother to dodge AOEs any more simply because the damage is negligible and easily healed is proof of that.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

I'll bite on this one. The point is quite simple really; you're just deliberately ignoring all the other effects that gear scaling would have. You wouldn't just have lower damage, you would also have lower healing, lower health and lower threat generation. Couple those with a fight taking longer as a result and you have many many more chances to fail a dodge and it would be far harder to recover from them.

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Except many of us are so experienced with AK/WP it doesn't matter if we have "uber gear or not." We're still going to most likely one shot it. My first time in AK was on my scholar in my artifact gear and white/pink jewelery. Three wipes and a completion. That was my first time doing AK. Trust me when I say the only challenge would be "Did I get paired up with competent players" If the answer is yes "Faceroll." if the answer is no "Leave Party." If I group with my FC buddies or my irl friends it's going to be a faceroll regardless.

It's better for dungeons to be designed with our existing gear in mind. Dungeons that do offer an extreme challenge WITH our current gear. Dungeons that as I become more experienced and get the gear from said dungeons what used to be an extreme challenge becomes something simple. To look back and think "Look how far I've come. This used to be hard but now it's nothing. I'm so much more powerful than what I first started here."

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Originally Posted by Curagaja

0/10. Awful idea. I would unsubscribe immediately if they did this.

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Same here. I'm not a raider, so I just play to get gear to faceroll dungeons easier. If they did this I would have no reason at all to get the higher gear so I might as well quit as soon as I get to 50 and get the dungeon gear.

Also don't think this makes much sense at top level. Raiding is centered on getting gear to make stuff easier, both by making farm content quicker and by giving you more room for error where you progress. Also, progress raiders that chase through the top end instances aren't the only ones that like to gear their characters. If a player that is content with doing his weekly AK runs to gear in myth gear was hit by this (and I think we have a lot of those), it will mean he will never feel the effect of getting an upgrade, since power wise, he'll be stuck at the level of the green AK drops indefinitely.

On a related note, one way to not have CT "useless" and facerolled on release would have been to retune it to be the next step after coil after the developers realized they wouldn't be able to get it in for the launch. Sure many have suggested this, but guess it's a bit late now.

Going to answer this in parts.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

I'll bite on this one. The point is quite simple really; you're just deliberately ignoring all the other effects that gear scaling would have. You wouldn't just have lower damage, you would also have lower healing, lower health and lower threat generation. Couple those with a fight taking longer as a result and you have many many more chances to fail a dodge and it would be far harder to recover from them.

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The damage on the monsters is tuned so that lower healing would just be the "expected" healing - Having better gear just means you're healing less often than you usually would (most good WHMs fill in this free time with nukes) it's not harder, you're just having to cast more.
Lower health is moot too, again damaged is tuned. The only fight in any raid that ilevel scaling could affect would be Tonberry King, and even then grudge still only hits for around 4k (your average tank has 4.5k in just AF).
Lower threat generation is moot, because as you so rightly said, cures and damage is already lowered, so you don't need as much enmity.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

I can't help but laugh at the implication that lower stats don't make a fight challenging... it's as if you're trying to suggest outgearing a dungeon doesn't make it easier. Those parties that want overgeared people for AK or WP don't just do it because of the speed boost. The fact that many of them don't even bother to dodge AOEs any more simply because the damage is negligible and easily healed is proof of that.

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All this does is give a little leeway, a good player will still dodge an AoE regardless of whether or not it's going to hurt them a lot or slightly. At low iLevel, you dodge because oh shit, that hurts. At high iLevel you dodge because it wastes time the WHM could use nuking.

Experience will always trump gear. Once you learn the dungeon it becomes permanently easier. All iLevel scaling would do is slow things down.

i would quit too if they did this, there would be no purpose to playing this

i think a loooot of you simply have loose of sight that gear is a means to get acces to new challenge and content, not to crush older content. actually stuff ilevel 90 is like be around 70-80 for the game, means you go in a dungeon 50 with more of 20 level over it.
if you want to faceroll content, simply ask to take out the level sync, is the same.

about increase the monster because of the general item rating of the team, is far easier to simply cap the stats of your equipement instead to increase the stats of monster without break the balance.


let's do a bit of comparaison:
here the allagan heavy armor, ilevel 90 ( http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...m/758972db85b/ )
here the hoplite body armor, ilevel 60 from AK ( http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...m/f97f7f9c2f6/ )

+13 str, +15 vit, +10 accuracy, +10 def and +10m.def

and it's only one piece... seriously the point is not to be the god of war, but simply to be logic, with the add of futur content 50 with more ilevel (probably) some content low level will be rushed...
what it will lead? reduction of gain from the dungeon when the new tier of dungeon will come out... meaning new player will have to farm more because some player simply want to stay uber and farm easy stuff fast.

all the trouble about FF14 is this...people want to do everything fast and without challenge...

no, the point of higher level gear is not to lock you out of high level content.

the point of gear is to make your character better so you can use free will to choose if you want to challenge harder stuff, or simply make old content easier.

no the means of better stuff is really to give you acces to harder content, it's simply you that want to get acces to lower stuff more easily.
personally i think they have make a mistake to make BC drop ilevel 90, it's a too big progression of stuff in comparaison of the level. but well...

This thread is ridiculous. Might as well just remove all stats on gear then and make everything cosmetic.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

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Well, SE wanted to attract the WoW crowd, and they came in force.

Patch 2.2, farm ilvl 110 AF2 by doing AK and Garuda. Please look forward to it.

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Originally Posted by Battlewrench

Why did everyone ignore this post? +1 dude it keeps gear worth it and makes the content still challenging some people are talking about removing the carrot from the stick. Its a carrot stick game if you don't have a carrot you've just got a stick...

Scaling up the dungeon for people with higher level gear sounds like a good idea while keeping the original content for people who dont have the gear yet.

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Because there'd be no way of balancing it if the party doesn't have the same gear level.
Over geared healer and normal geared tank... how that would work? The mobs can't hit too much because the tank would spike too much, nor hit too light because then the healer wouldn't have to heal.

The carrot at the end of the stick should be new content. Ideally, we'd move on to the next tier of dungeons after we get our stuff from the last, not just do the first and jump to the last. I hope SE gets their progression right in the future.

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Originally Posted by Reslin

What are you going on about? A challenge by forcing me to be capped? There is no challenge in that. I have already beat the content. I already know the content. A challenge isn't "I hope everyone is as knowledgeable as I am in this instance." That isn't challenging that's just luck of the draw. If you cap people based on gear and everyone is knowledgeable it will be a one shot clear the only difference is that it'd take longer so you're essentially slowing everyone down.

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This.

The real challenge is always the first time you're in a dungeon and everyone else in said dungeon is also new. I personally don't care if I join a speed run or not when I pug but I will care when I am asked to do speed runs with my static group and we're stuck in wp and ak for longer then we need to be.

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Originally Posted by Celestle

Arguments, arguments everywhere. Sigh.
Ok, sighs aside.

What about SCALING UP the content based on the party's overall gears instead of what OP has mentioned?
I don't know how true it is, but someone told me that the Limit Break is based on the current party's gears and not the one who uses it.
Likewise, I think SE can really work on scaling up the dungeons' difficulties so that people with ilvl90 gears would clear the dungeon as fast as people with lower ilvl gears would.
Cheers.

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Why did everyone ignore this post? +1 dude it keeps gear worth it and makes the content still challenging some people are talking about removing the carrot from the stick. Its a carrot stick game if you don't have a carrot you've just got a stick...

Scaling up the dungeon for people with higher level gear sounds like a good idea while keeping the original content for people who dont have the gear yet. Scaling doesn't have to mean just increasing the HP of the mobs either, I'm talking about added mechanics.

LOL. Really? Has content really been that exhausted that suggestions like this come up? Well, might as well not have any gear and have players' scaled up or down to whatever dungeon they are doing. Stat-wise, that is the same thing as putting a cap on dungeon right? Might as well remove levels as well, and stat distribution.

Make the 2 mind-numbing dungeons more.. mind-numbing? No thanks.

lol no way.. if everything is limited like this then it doesn't encourage much to get the best gear possible on the each update. You get all the allagan iLV 90 gear to benefit them only once a week during Coil of Bahamut only, and then it won't benefit you on the remain of the content for the rest of the week... totally no to me.

because you can only try Coil of Bahamut once per week, it only take 1 hours of static PT. so you can actually benefit your end-game gear for 1 hour per week, it is really bad encouragement. (well.. may be I guess casual players just want to forbid hardcore players from having any advantage I guess)

What's the point of getting higher gear if it's gonna be synced?

It's like saying I'm gonna train my pikachu to lv 10 so it can beat a lv8 but it's pointless to because it's going to put you back to lv8 making you start back at square one.

I also never understood why this is an issue. Wouldn't a low level want a higher level to help him anyways?

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

Meh not meant to you... forgive my manners :P
Wont touch your gear, just cap its stats to make it more fun.
Think about it instead of saying NO.
Nine speedruns a week are boring, nice challenging runs might take longer but hey at least you are playing!

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capping my stats doesnt make the game more fun. What's the point in finding better loot if you can't use it to beat the crap out of something?

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

capping my stats doesnt make the game more fun. What's the point in finding better loot if you can't use it to beat the crap out of something?

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Obviously gear is only meant for us to look pretty and fancy, rather than to serve the purpose of making us stronger. How did you not know that?

No no no please no. If anything DF should average out your gear to an ilevel and NOT let you enter if your gear is too low.

I myself put the time and effort into my i90 gear so I can run these instance lots easier.

If you want to play hard core, put your i60 crap back on you farmed in AK.