DD Nerfed

The grind in this game for additional jobs is just unbearably bad with how the quests aren't reactivated. What we end up with is having to FATE grind over and over and over with some dungeons mixed in if you want, for less exp. The pacing was slow enough already with DD, and now that has been reduced as well. I can't see myself ever leveling a third job up since the boring, monotonous, braindead, and slow process of leveling just got even slower in the last levels where the exp needed per level was the highest.

It may have worked as intended, but considering how much people got harassed for killing the target mobs, SE had to do something about it.

Just because something is working as intended doesn't mean that Square Enix can't go "You know, this DD stuff is kinda bullshit" and nerf it.

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

"Free ride", logging into the game is basically a free ride to 50. Doing any fate in the world and leveling off fates is a free ride, how is nerfing one single fate going to change anything?

It's not.

They should've hotfixed in a 400% leve and 600% dungeon + hunting log exp boost as well. That is dev time well spent, not nerfing something that can be done in hundreds of fate all over the world.

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DD was by far the biggest abused fate because of the spawn rate and the exp per kill. I took my girlfriend through Northern Thanalan for her hunting logs and there were at least 50 people sitting where DD spawns waiting for it. They were still there 2 hours later as we passed by to leave the zone.

Leves are fine and dungeons are getting changed in the future, not like the fate farmers even do dungeons anyway.

Nerfing DD was a step in the right direction if you ask me, I'm very optimistic for future changes.

No more FATE drama.

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Originally Posted by AridElf

DD was by far the biggest abused fate because of the spawn rate and the exp per kill. I took my girlfriend through Northern Thanalan for her hunting logs and there were at least 50 people sitting where DD spawns waiting for it. They were still there 2 hours later as we passed by to leave the zone...

Nerfing DD was a step in the right direction if you ask me, I'm very optimistic for future changes.

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I call BS, or you just ran into a gathering of bots. For the last few weeks materia has been my main source of income, and I regularly partied up for DD. It is rare to see more than a handful of people waiting for it to pop, and they only go there after it's been at least 30 mins since the last pop. You said you've only done it once, and you griefed by killing the lambs so I already can tell that your eyes may have been playing tricks on you so you can "see what you want to see" regarding the fate.

Excellent, this is EXACTLY what many of us were asking to happen, to this obvious exploit.

It was gonna happen anyway, I got from 47 to 50 in a heart beat. It was way OP, too good to stay around forever.

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Originally Posted by Appleh4x

and you griefed by killing the lambs so I already can tell that your eyes may have been playing tricks on you so you can "see what you want to see" regarding the fate.

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That completing the objective is considered "griefing" illustrates why this change is welcome.

And to those saying the grind was slow enough already even with DD: are you serious? Because you can't be.

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Originally Posted by Ralemont

That completing the objective is considered "griefing" illustrates why this change is welcome.

And to those saying the grind was slow enough already even with DD: are you serious? Because you can't be.

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It is griefing when it is apparently obvious as to what you should be doing as per all the other people at the fate. I've never seen anyone cussed out for mistakenly killing a lamb, the few times I have been there while lambs were attacked people just shouted "please don't kill lambs, farm trash for xp," or rarely it was just someone griefing to get a rise. If someone is griefing, I, and many others just blist them and move on.

That's awesome. They need to nerf more FATES. Maybe bad players will learn how to actually play the game, instead of FATE grinding to 50 and then wondering why they are so awful at end game.

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Originally Posted by jdnyc

That's awesome. They need to nerf more FATES. Maybe bad players will learn how to actually play the game, instead of FATE grinding to 50 and then wondering why they are so awful at end game.

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No, they should buff hunting log, leve, and dungeon exp, not make leveling even more mind-numbingly boring. It takes over 150 dungeons or 480 leves to level 20 - > 50.

Try to tell me with a straight face that's ok.

Hotfix more like hot garbage.

How about making the boosted reward for guildhests job specific? Or at least make them refresh once a week so they aren't something you just do once and then never again? No, that's not grindy enough. They clearly want us to grind more not less. :mad:

Just be happy they didn't roll back people who used the fate to exploit for fast exp.

You guys do literally complain about everything. Just wanted to point that out. Carry on....

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Originally Posted by Appleh4x

It is griefing when it is apparently obvious as to what you should be doing as per all the other people at the fate. I've never seen anyone cussed out for mistakenly killing a lamb

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That the obvious thing to do is the opposite of what the game tells you to do illustrates why this change is welcome.

We aren't disagreeing, but you're pointing out why people should know better, and I'm pointing out why it's ridiculous to begin with.

Actually, there is one thing with which I disagree. PLENTY of people get cussed out, named-and-shamed for killing lambs because it's their first time in the zone and they don't know how the community pseudo-exploits it to get EXP. If they have a chat tab like I do to filter out any chat except party, LS, and FC, then they may not even be aware of the shouts telling them to stop. Then again, Ultros is known for shout drama apparently.

Edit: To Shiyo: I agree they need to make dungeons the best way to gain EXP, preferably through a combination of buffing dungeons some and nerfing fates some. When they designed the game I'm sure they set the difficulty of FATEs with WAY less people playing in mind (imagine if FATEs only attracted 1/2 the current amount of players. The EXP wouldn't be quite so ridiculous).

That being said, it really has nothing to do with this nerf except indirectly, in a they-should-have-spent-their-time-on-this-hotfix kind of way.

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Originally Posted by LoLo

Just be happy they didn't roll back people who used the fate to exploit for fast exp.

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It wasn't an exploit, the moderator for SE even said DD was working as it should.

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

No, they should buff hunting log, leve, and dungeon exp, not make leveling even more mind-numbingly boring. It takes over 150 dungeons or 480 leves to level 20 - > 50.

Try to tell me with a straight face that's ok.

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Of course they should buff hunting log, leve and dungeon xp. But having FATES that are massively exploitable needs to be fixed as well. People level too fast and don't know how to play their class. They show up at end game not knowing what they are doing and cause problems for all involved.

The issue of leveling additional classes being boring is a major problem. Exploiting the DD FATE to gain a massive amount of exp in a short period of time is not part of the solution.

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Originally Posted by Ralemont

That the obvious thing to do is the opposite of what the game tells you to do illustrates why this change is welcome...
Actually, there is one thing with which I disagree. PLENTY of people get cussed out, named-and-shamed for killing lambs because it's their first time in the zone and they don't know how the community pseudo-exploits it to get EXP. If they have a chat tab like I do to filter out any chat except party, LS, and FC, then they may not even be aware of the shouts telling them to stop.

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Filtering out shouts is ridiculously foolish, people should learn to blist faster if they have RMT woes. Bad behavior is bad behavior, griefing a fate by ending it early is the same as being the guy cussing someone out for an honest mistake and I would blist them both, as any mature person would. Avoiding conflict in game will take people far

Never seen anyone cussed out if they didn't deserve it. Maybe your server just holds more terrible players than mine. (Not terrible as in deserving of it, but terrible as in cussing people out for mistakes)

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

stuff.

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Am I the only one who just disregards anything she ever posts?

With the incessant whining and complaining you do on these forums every single day, I'd have thought you would've quit by now... Jeez, some people...

Sorry to throw this OT, but yes, DD exp was OP and should have been nerfed weeks ago. In fact, they should nerf item turn-in fates as well.

3 - 4 runs of CM will spirit bond HQ items from 0 to 100%.

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Originally Posted by BlazeChronic

Am I the only one who just disregards anything she ever posts?

With the incessant whining and complaining you do on these forums every single day, I'd have thought you would've quit by now... Jeez, some people...

Sorry to throw this OT, but yes, DD exp was OP and should have been nerfed weeks ago. In fact, they should nerf item turn-in fates as well.

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I disregard it as well, for the same reasons. His/Her posts are invisible to me at this point. Nothing but complaints all day. QQ

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Originally Posted by Kat_Manx

I don't care about the change or if it's "right" or "wrong", but the fact that Square Enix had a representative state it is working as intended, and then went ahead and changed it just is so frustrating... same old usual Square Enix top notch customer appreciation. :(

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Just because it was working as intended didn't mean that it was balanced or gave the right contribution to exp. It just meant farming it wasn't a bug or an exploit.

The people who just complain about the issue are the ones who most likely abused it. There were players who couldn't get that exp, so se fixed it so every one's kn equal groud.

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Originally Posted by AridElf

DD was by far the biggest abused fate because of the spawn rate and the exp per kill. I took my girlfriend through Northern Thanalan for her hunting logs and there were at least 50 people sitting where DD spawns waiting for it. They were still there 2 hours later as we passed by to leave the zone.

Leves are fine and dungeons are getting changed in the future, not like the fate farmers even do dungeons anyway.

Nerfing DD was a step in the right direction if you ask me, I'm very optimistic for future changes.

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The fact that a lot of people would rather sit there and wait for the FATE than playing says a lot about leveling in this game.

Doing battlecraft leves is a waste of allowances, and dungeons as damage dealer are unviable. Waiting in queues for 50+ mins, and then relying on luck to get a group good enough to finish it (yesterday I ran Stone Vigil 6 times, completed only one). Wouldn't be so bad if not for the fact that to get gold medal you have to join a party, and Mor Dhona is horrible for FATEs as they are harder and often don't have enough people.

Personally I'm not one to complain as I enjoy doing FATEs, but I can see that nerfing DD creates more problems than solves for people who's interested in endgame.

You know what? I'm glad this happened.
Off-topic, did anyone else think the lambs were actually lambs? Kinda blew my mind yesterday when I went there for the first time to level my bard and they weren't... lambs.

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Originally Posted by BlazeChronic

Am I the only one who just disregards anything she ever posts?

With the incessant whining and complaining you do on these forums every single day, I'd have thought you would've quit by now... Jeez, some people...

Sorry to throw this OT, but yes, DD exp was OP and should have been nerfed weeks ago. In fact, they should nerf item turn-in fates as well.

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You are definitely not the only one. The amount of time some posters put into complaining is just, unbelievable.

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Originally Posted by Appleh4x

Filtering out shouts is ridiculously foolish, people should learn to blist faster if they have RMT woes.

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You are really overestimating the value of shout chat. 95% of shout chat is fate parties LFM or faters LFG. The other 4.95% is inane babble. The .05% is instructions on how to maximize Fate-chain exp. RMT don't advertise outside of the cities on Ultros at least.

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Bad behavior is bad behavior, griefing a fate by ending it early is the same as being the guy cussing someone out for an honest mistake and I would blist them both, as any mature person would. Avoiding conflict in game will take people far

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No, that isn't the same, unless you are talking about someone who knows what to do in DD, is already 50, and just does it to troll people FATEing. Yeah that's immature.

Edit to Mala: Yeah maybe Ultros is just extra toxic for some reason (I hesitate to blame the presence of large forum-based FC like GAF and ZAM). Allegedly there is a FC infamous for having members hang around just to troll DD.

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Originally Posted by Ri_ri

Personally I'm not one to complain as I enjoy doing FATEs, but I can see that nerfing DD creates more problems than solves for people who's interested in endgame.

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Tell that to all the players who end up in a group with a player rocking whites because they DD FATE to 50 and never got better gear past level 40. Creates more problems than it solves...yeah right. :D

Now maybe all classes have a chance at getting a group. All I saw before was LFM AOE DD!

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Originally Posted by Lazarus52980

Would someone please define the acronym used here? I think of "DD" as damage dealers. Of what subject are we speaking here?

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Dzemael Darkhold

:P

I'm glad. Maybe now people will spread out cause it's kinda sad seeing how empty the other areas that have Lv 45+ FATEs are.

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Originally Posted by MeeDeggiThePunisher

I'm glad. Maybe now people will spread out cause it's kinda sad seeing how empty the other areas that have Lv 45+ FATEs are.

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The only other zone with 40+ fates is Mor Dhona, and there there are only a couple above level 45.

I sense much of this happening with the DD Nerf:

http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/b...6945413316.png

And I simply lol.

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Originally Posted by jdnyc

Tell that to all the players who end up in a group with a player rocking whites because they DD FATE to 50 and never got better gear past level 40. Creates more problems than it solves...yeah right. :D

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FATEs are not the cause.

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Originally Posted by Ri_ri

FATEs are not the cause.

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The heck they aren't. People aren't running dungeons (good source of gear.) People aren't doing story quests (good source of gear.)
They're just leveling through FATES because you can be one of the masses and get exp no matter what gear you have. Just follow the train and spam AoE damage. You end up at level 50 and have no idea how to play your class or the game really for that matter.

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Originally Posted by jdnyc

The heck they aren't. People aren't running dungeons (good source of gear.) People aren't doing story quests (good source of gear.)
They're just leveling through FATES because you can be one of the masses and get exp no matter what gear you have. Just follow the train and spam AoE damage. You end up at level 50 and have no idea how to play your class or the game really for that matter.

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Which is not the player's fault, it's a design flaw. People can't level as quickly doing dungeons as they can grinding FATEs, and FATEs drop gil. At least dungeons will now as well.

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Originally Posted by Appleh4x

It wasn't an exploit, the moderator for SE even said DD was working as it should.

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working as it should but the end result was they have now made it work opposite of how it so call "should" have. so......

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Originally Posted by Bluezero

Which is not the player's fault, it's a design flaw. People can't level as quickly doing dungeons as they can grinding FATEs, and FATEs drop gil. At least dungeons will now as well.

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Dungeons drop gear, which is also part of the game. Unless players are just looking to be carried. I guess that's not 'their fault' either?