Wrongfull suspended for 1 week, then gil removed. SE CS does not want to know.

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Originally Posted by KevinC

People seem to forget that top crafter and top gatherer were often the only provider for the whole server for certain tier of stuff and thus made a lot of money out of it. I got rich selling stuff at no higher than 13k a piece, I just sold a whole lot to a lot of people.

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Exactly, I got to 8mil or so with mostly sales under 10k.

We got suspended and our gil taken due to an automated program, not due to any actual investigation by a GM.

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Originally Posted by mikoto_qc

The main problem is US and SE.
If there is some pepeol that are buying Gils its because the game it self does not generate enough gils. SE fault.
A.H item are sometime sold to high or to low. Community fault.
Just like you state


main quest give you around 200k and some pepeol sell item for 100k. thats 50% of the money non-crafter gatherer will make. so at some time they will end up fast out of money. so they turn to RMT for support. You end-up with the RMT gils because you support high cost of item @ AH And SE support RMT by not giving enough way to generate Gils.

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People were more than happy to pay upwards of 200k of the 250-300k they made leveling up to get the relic quest weapon made for them. Just do 10 of these sales per day and you're up to 14mil in 1 week. All 100% legit money that people got from quests while leveling.

Same goes for stuff like level 50 crafting gear, they only cost 50k a piece so it's easy for crafters to afford these pieces just off the money they got leveling their crafts to 50 if they did leves or sold the items they made on the market.

http://i.imgur.com/MF5oGZ1.jpg

Could crafters do face-to-face business instead of using the Market Board? You know who your buyer is, and you may not get banned because the sale wasn't recorded on the Market history. Sure it's more tedious, but if it stops people from getting banned, may be worth it.

Does anyone have the Phone number to the support for Enix

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Originally Posted by Lucke

Could crafters do face-to-face business instead of using the Market Board? You know who your buyer is, and you may not get banned because the sale wasn't recorded on the Market history. Sure it's more tedious, but if it stops people from getting banned, may be worth it.

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Thanks for the suggestion, it may help, but to be honest we still don't have any way of knowing if the buyer bought gil or not, it's also a lot more hassle and would result in loads of shout spam from crafter's. :/

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Originally Posted by Lucke

Could crafters do face-to-face business instead of using the Market Board? You know who your buyer is, and you may not get banned because the sale wasn't recorded on the Market history. Sure it's more tedious, but if it stops people from getting banned, may be worth it.

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Should definately help. But only if you also face West, and stand on 1 leg, while kwehing like a chocobo.

How many posts are going to be made spreading this rumor that people were targeted because a gil buyer bought their stuff from the market board? 10 seconds of thought should make you realize how silly this idea is. Given the amount of regular and hq items that I and people like me (who weren't suspended) sold on the MB, a percentage of which most definitely were bought with dirty gil. There would have been thousands more suspensions. Also consider that quite a few of those suspended were gatherers with less than a million gil, and no large MB sales.

If we're ever going to come close to figuring out why people were targeted, and prevent false positives, we need to stick with only what we know to be facts. Rumors like this one, the over 8 mil rumor, the SE purposely nuking peoples accounts they know did nothing wrong to make an example to RMTs rumor, and others just confuse the issue.

The over 10mil on non legacy servers / over 2mill on the very new servers, in *On Hand* Gil, does seem to be holding true.

I'm not going to be specific but I can tell you I had more than 2 mil. My brother had more than 10. My LS mate had somewhere in the 12 region. Non legacy server. And 2 people I can think of, maybe 3 on this forum said they never even hit a mil.

To be fair though we can't discount some kind of gil check. They could have done the check 2 weeks or 10 days after launch, and waited to ban. For the first 2 weeks I never had more than 100k on hand. The few who had low gil could have been nailed for different reasons, or they could be cheaters. We can be sure though it wasn't a gil check at the time of suspension or within a few days of it.

ohh...nooo.....my goo'ness does it hurt

anyone who had any activity with RMT was flagged...yup...you got 100k from a moneylaundering junkie and turned it into millions....ohhh mmyyyyy....learn your lesson and move on...they got you dead to rights....at least you still have your account...

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Originally Posted by Yoseph

ohh...nooo.....my goo'ness does it hurt

anyone who had any activity with RMT was flagged...yup...you got 100k from a moneylaundering junkie and turned it into millions....ohhh mmyyyyy....learn your lesson and move on...they got you dead to rights....at least you still have your account...

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Thanks for the input SE fanboy, your insight is always welcome and accurate. It's easy to see you must have thought A LOT before posting. Oh and thanks for reading the posts since last friday, it sure shows.

I still can't believe how many people can be so ignorant to believe that people actually have a desire or even a need to buy gil without being horrible at the game in general, just the quests themselves pay out plenty enough, its not like making it is hard as there are plenty of sources. Some people are still getting flagged with way under a mil, and these are people like me who were not crafters and worked up to their artifact sets through fighting with a combat class by hand or hand farming a ton of mats to sell, so the logic that people must have a need to depend on the RMT to get by at all financially is fundamentally flawed to begin with. Nobody wants to buy gil from people that spam their chat box all day either. I also find it hard to believe the RMT are even making that much profit, but it's certainly possible. You shouldn't be so quick to assume that everyone is guilty because the sheer volume of complaints and with all the fervor of people to defend themselves clearly signifies some validity in their claims that you are so easy to let fall on deaf ears and point the finger going "You got what you deserved". What if they didn't do anything? Do you know how wronged it makes one feel if they actually are innocent? It's insulting.. and will definitely get under your skin. I would be more worried about the individuals that don't seem to care to ask any questions and simply accept that everything is double rainbows.

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Originally Posted by lordjoosie

I'm not going to be specific but I can tell you I had more than 2 mil. My brother had more than 10. My LS mate had somewhere in the 12 region. Non legacy server. And 2 people I can think of, maybe 3 on this forum said they never even hit a mil.

To be fair though we can't discount some kind of gil check. They could have done the check 2 weeks or 10 days after launch, and waited to ban. For the first 2 weeks I never had more than 100k on hand. The few who had low gil could have been nailed for different reasons, or they could be cheaters. We can be sure though it wasn't a gil check at the time of suspension or within a few days of it.

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They did do a Gil check and got to the number of 367,700 million dirty Gil. And the important part there is the word million i.e 367700000000 gil earned in a shadowy way. I just think this is hinestly a backlash for the greedy people. And these people need to understand that what was done by SE had to be done, they couldnt leave the market with thise 367,700mil gil. So those that had stuff bought by goldbuyers/botter/hackers got hit. I'm also quite sure some of the people that are still around in gear they bought might have bought it for honest gil, hence why they still run around in it and those earnings might be what SE left you with but took the rest.

I'm not saying it's fully your own fault as sellers, but people tend to be quite greedy when it comes to earning as much as they possibly can, and getting blinded in the process regarding what is a reasonable price and not. And this cant really be denied by the people that started out as hardcore crafters to earn a foundation.

If SE did not want people selling on the IN GAME MARKET, they should not have created it.

The Gil they removed was certainly not all "dirty", taking exactly 99% from people who sold 1000's of items to 100's of different people, shows there was no actual investigation into these accounts, anyone who says otherwise must have problems with reading.

I made almost 400k from leve quests alone, this I can prove.

http://oi44.tinypic.com/mhtw1w.jpg

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Originally Posted by Ervin

They did do a Gil check and got to the number of 367,700 million dirty Gil. And the important part there is the word million i.e 367700000000 gil earned in a shadowy way. I just think this is hinestly a backlash for the greedy people. And these people need to understand that what was done by SE had to be done, they couldnt leave the market with thise 367,700mil gil. So those that had stuff bought by goldbuyers/botter/hackers got hit. I'm also quite sure some of the people that are still around in gear they bought might have bought it for honest gil, hence why they still run around in it and those earnings might be what SE left you with but took the rest.

I'm not saying it's fully your own fault as sellers, but people tend to be quite greedy when it comes to earning as much as they possibly can, and getting blinded in the process regarding what is a reasonable price and not. And this cant really be denied by the people that started out as hardcore crafters to earn a foundation.

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What you're missing is that there are far more people who had their items bought by gil buyer money and did not get suspended, than those who did get suspended. I've sold a thousand items on the market board. Are you suggesting that none of those items were bought with RMT gil? I think you also misunderstood what I meant by a gil check. What I'm referring to is the theory that SE flagged everyone with over x amount of gil, and suspended them. This obviously didn't happen unless they did the check a couple weeks before the suspensions. If you take the time to read the posts more carefully, you'll see some of us are trying to figure out what system they used to suspend. Even if 95% of those suspended were scumbags and deserved it, I don't want to take the chance of being one of the 5% that didn't.

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Originally Posted by lordjoosie

What you're missing is that there are far more people who had their items bought by gil buyer money and did not get suspended, than those who did get suspended. I've sold a thousand items on the market board. Are you suggesting that none of those items were bought with RMT gil? I think you also misunderstood what I meant by a gil check. What I'm referring to is the theory that SE flagged everyone with over x amount of gil, and suspended them. This obviously didn't happen unless they did the check a couple weeks before the suspensions. If you take the time to read the posts more carefully, you'll see some of us are trying to figure out what system they used to suspend. Even if 95% of those suspended were scumbags and deserved it, I don't want to take the chance of being one of the 5% that didn't.

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Exactly, I bet most people in game have come into contact with "RMT Gil" at some point, certainly anyone who uses the market frequently. Gil is constantly changing hands from person to person through trades/market etc.

Yet most people who have certainly had RMT Gil (thought no fault of their own), were not suspended and gil remove, yet a smaller percentage of us were.

You say your bro had 10mil lordjoosie, was this all kept "on hand"? (aka none on retainer/alt's) Also did he have have 10mil before the 27th?

One guy on Reddit said that he had bought 3mil gil against the advice of his brother, who told him it's easy to make gil through crafting.

The legit brother had made 10mil through crafting and was suspended on the 27th along with the rest of us...

The illegit brother (fair play for him being honest on Reddit tho) who bought 3mil RMT gil is not suspended and still playing...

SE trolled us bad and we want them for fix their mistake.

I'm not sure on the date. It was a couple days after the suspensions when I checked his gil. Same day I saw the anyone who had over 8 mil got nuked post. But it was on his main when I saw it.

As for the redit post, I personally know of 1 person in game that bought a large amount of gil. Not sure how much but they went from broke to 3 mil in gear and quite a lot of gil on hand overnight. They also didn't get banned. I'd love to know if they got the gil in the mail or through trade, but that's not something people admit to.

Out of curiosity, did you get a significant portion of your gil from trades or mail? or was it mostly all from market board/quests/leaves?

This is what I did to make gil:

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Originally Posted by scarebearz

I started in early access.
I made a char to lvl 14 and re-rolled (wanted a different race)
Started as THM, soon took up Miner/GSM.
Their levels were around the same into the low 30's.
I learned that doing Leve's for GSM was very fast exp, 3x if you hand in a "HQ" item.
I spent almost all my leve's on GSM.
My Miner got to lvl 42 by the time my GSM hit 50 and my BLM was stuck at 39 (still is, I was busy crafting during my playtime)
Once I hit 50 GSM I had loads of electrum from Mining and only around 100k.
I then started crafting HQ and NQ Electrum accessories, as very few were selling these. (Amber, Zircon etc etc)
The HQ ones were selling for around 10k each, they cost me under 2k to make.
For days they sold faster than I could actually craft them
Realised Crafting materia was hard to get, so started making crafted accessory sets to spirit bond when I was crafting lots of easy items (accessories mainly). I bonded 2/3 sets per day, these materia were selling for 10-40k each
Once more started selling these, they still sold fast, but I needed to undercut every now and then.
Geared up my GSM.
Started making the 1-sart HQ items (these were selling easily for around 50k and cost 15k to make roughly)
Needed more retainer room, so I leveled my first char to 17 to unlocked retainer for more sales.
Had a friend pass over dozen's of items, HQ crafted mats, rose gold nuggets, NQ accessories etc.
Continued selling, once things slowed down I got my Weaver to 50. (around 8 mil at this point)
Geared my weaver, started selling weaver 1-star items. (30-70k each)
These also sold faster than I could make them.
continued. (got to around 14.5mil by this point)
On the 26th I crafted a 2-star robe (cost me 400-500k for try), it went HQ, so listed it at 999k (others on the history had sold for 900k+).
Friend said I should try for 1.5mil, so i re-listed it at 1.25mil, as i was going to use it anyway if I could not sell it. (mage still 39, but wanted to gear it eventually)
27th - Logged in - checked retainer - O.o woohoo it sold.
Logged out.
Tried to log in 1 hour later - suspended.

Was it possible some sales were bought by gil buyers? yes
Was it 99% exactly? Extremely unlikely

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Most of my sales were market board sales, at least 90%, I did forget to mention in that post that I did do some commissions, and got paid a fair bit for melding, for many different people.

The only gil i got through mail was from other crafter's who wanted mats etc, or FC members who I made cheap spiritbonding sets for, crafter gears etc.

400k from leve's, a fair bit from quests (usually take the gil rewards), fates etc. (probably 1mil total here)

Your bro may not have had 10mil+ on hand when players we selected for suspension then anyway.

Yea, if it was gil based, they would have had to make the list days prior to the suspensions. I didn't break 100k for over 2 weeks myself. If they said like over 3 mil on day 14 or something similar, that would make sense.

I made my gil almost the same way you listed, (mining and GS to start, sold electrums then level 49 acc then moved on)
One thing you mentioned though is the transfer of items. If you traded millions of gil in mats to and from accounts that weren't yours, that could set off red flags. This doesn't explain the folks that had low gil and were banned, but it might be a starting point.

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Yea, if it was gil based, they would have had to make the list days prior to the suspensions. I didn't break 100k for over 2 weeks myself. If they said like over 3 mil on day 14 or something similar, that would make sense.

I made my gil almost the same way you listed, (mining and GS to start, sold electrums then level 49 acc then moved on)
One thing you mentioned though is the transfer of items. If you traded millions of gil in mats to and from accounts that weren't yours, that could set off red flags. This doesn't explain the folks that had low gil and were banned, but it might be a starting point.

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The total value of items traded to my alt must have been 3.5mil roughly, as I had sold pretty much everything and that is the gil I had on my alt.

Mostly it was traded to my wife's char, then to my alt. But on times did have friends do this for me, unfortunately due to not being able to mail alt's / no shared back, it was the only way.

Until I hit 50 GSM I was nearly broke most the time lol.

Well that's nothing definitive, but it's enough to make me not move a lot of items to and from characters not on my main account until I have a good reason to believe this isn't how they picked people.

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Originally Posted by scarebearz

Like many others I had by account wrongfully suspended, then my on hand gil divided by 100. (from 12.6 mil to 126k)

I want an actual Human GM to investigate my account properly and return my gil.

I still have the gil that was on my retainers and on my alt (4.5mil), but this was wrong and I want my gil returned.

For those who don't know what's been going on, before you comment please look here:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...or-gil-removal

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you know what you did, but I like how you whine. Your cool.

I agree that many crafters got too much gil due to the inflation caused by cheaters and gil buyers/seller and I even agree that taking money from them would be for the better of the game's economy. However, dividing their gil by 100 without any proof that they got it through cheating or illegitimate means is overboard. Even if they got more gil than they should have due to the inflation, they still got those gils honestly.

Of course, its entirely possible that all these whiners are in fact cheaters and gil buyers/sellers. Until SE gives a clear answer as to how they targeted people, we don't even know the real reasons why certain people were affected while others were not.

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Originally Posted by Pangtao

you know what you did, but I like how you whine. Your cool.

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And what did I do?

Played the game fairly and made the most of a high demand - low supply market while it was good? Yeah I thought so to.

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Originally Posted by PenutButter

Of course, its entirely possible that all these whiners are in fact cheaters and gil buyers/sellers. Until SE gives a clear answer as to how they targeted people, we don't even know the real reasons why certain people were affected while others were not.

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It that were the case, as a player I would be moaning at SE to perma-ban them.

It's very simple really, we should either be perma banned or have our Gil returned and 7 days credit added to our accounts with an email saying sorry.

@SE Please send a GM to investigate my Account! If I'm lying Ban me, if not give my/our gil back!

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Here's the thing for me: Before the blanket suspension I had 10.6 million, after I had 106k. Not only that, but I was paying for game days the whole time while suspended. So I'm either guilty, or I'm not. There's too many unknowns still. The multiple (3-4) times I talked to Customer Phone Support they SPECIFICALLY said I would receive an email report detailing EXACTLY what was covered in the investigation. This didn't happen. I received the same regurgitated email the everyone else did; stating that I was, in fact, guilty.

I had 20 days of playtime before the suspension, and 13 after. Right now I'm sitting at 11 days left.

I will not be renewing my subscription, nor will my girlfriend, and a number of my friends have banded together to not renew or pay until the following things are DIRECTLY addressed by a Square-Enix representative:

1) If we were all found guilty, why are we still allowed to play? As I understand it, any RMT activity is considered "zero tolerance" and results in termination. This simply seems like Square-Enix wanted to solve a problem for themselves, but wanted us all the be nice paying customers.
2) If we are innocent (which I truly believe most posters truly are), why did we ALL have our gil divided by 100? It is highly unlikely, nay completely impossible, that EVERYONE had exactly 99% of their gil obtained via RMT and/or illicit means.
3) Whose complete utter lack of decision-making was responsible for #2)'s policy? Even if "illicity obtained gil" had to be removed from the economy, why were specific people targeted? Why wasn't every single person in the game punished?
4) Why didn't we receive any information and/or a report on our "illicit activities" that led to losing 99% of our gil? (I truly believe these reports didn't exist because NO THOROUGH INVESTIGATION was truly ever made.)
5) Since it's very obvious that Square-Enix screwed this entire situation up royally, what kind of concessions will be made to the people affected? Will we get our 7 days (which was originally supposed to be 72 hours) back? Will we get any portion of our gil back?

This is one of the worst examples of customer service I've ever seen, even from a Japanese company. You guys need to communicate with your customers, even if that means admitting you're wrong. If you refuse to admit that you made a giant mistake, at least GIVE US SPECIFIC INFORMATION ABOUT OUR INVESTIGATIONS. I know a few hundred people who would really like to see this information.

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Originally Posted by scarebearz

Like many others I had by account wrongfully suspended, then my on hand gil divided by 100. (from 12.6 mil to 126k)

I want an actual Human GM to investigate my account properly and return my gil.

I still have the gil that was on my retainers and on my alt (4.5mil), but this was wrong and I want my gil returned.

For those who don't know what's been going on, before you comment please look here:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...or-gil-removal

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I don't normally ask this question of anyone but I feel inclined to ask it now. You seemed to have worked long and hard for that gil. ....why? Does anything in FFXIV even cost anything close to 12.6 mil? I get that you took advantage of a high demand low supply market and I commend you for your business smarts but you seem to have more money then you'll need for a long time. Why not live off of it for a bit? Why make the money pile huge enough to sink a battleship? If I had that much in real life dollars I would chillax for a while and then tap into those business smarts when I need to. Not a sermon, just a thought.

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I don't normally ask this question of anyone but I feel inclined to ask it now. You seemed to have worked long and hard for that gil. ....why? Does anything in FFXIV even cost anything close to 12.6 mil? I get that you took advantage of a high demand low supply market and I commend you for your business smarts but you seem to have more money then you'll need for a long time. Why not live off of it for a bit? Why make the money pile huge enough to sink a battleship? If I had that much in real life dollars I would chillax for a while and then tap into those business smarts when I need to. Not a sermon, just a thought.

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Simple - my target was 15mil, then I'd start leveling my main, I hit that target the day I got wrongly suspended.

Reason being both myself and my wife play, she does not like dg's but always wants good gears. She plays WHM and Bard, once she hit's 50 I'll be providing her with ilvl 70 crafter gears... These will not be cheap.

I also wanted ilvl 70 gears for my main (BLM) and to save for future additions.

These is also the fact I just like making in came currency in game and at the start was the best time to do this, while most were only thinking to level their main class.

All I can really do is post the following that has already been linked. There are some pretty obvious parts of that text that should clear it up.

"- Date: Sep. 12 – Sep. 30, 2013
- Accounts receiving disciplinary action for RMT site advertisements: 6,154 accounts
- Accounts receiving disciplinary action for illicit activity: 156 accounts
- Action Details: Termination from FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn

- Date: Sep. 28, 2013
- Accounts receiving disciplinary action for RMT/illicit activities: 568 accounts
- Action Details: Termination/Temporary suspension from FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn
* Accounts of egregious violators will be terminated.

- Total Frozen Gil: Approximately 367,700 million Gil
* Gil of temporarily suspended accounts will be confiscated."

You are most likely in the 568 crowd due to them finding some link in the gil that leads to either RMT or illicit activities. Sure SE can make mistakes and have done so in regards to what was posted regarding someone and his brother on reddit. So to fix the issue and let you play, they did the gil reduction they did across all old accounts pre-release i.e reduce gil to 1/10 of it's former amounts.

And regarding the people with little gil that got banned. Well maybe they bought gil and didnt admit it, then bought stuff but got noticed while other gil buyers werent. I'm still trying to figure out why you ground so much gil on crafting in the first place, most likely cos it sold for silly amounts of gil and you wanted more, more and more.

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I don't normally ask this question of anyone but I feel inclined to ask it now. You seemed to have worked long and hard for that gil. ....why? Does anything in FFXIV even cost anything close to 12.6 mil? I get that you took advantage of a high demand low supply market and I commend you for your business smarts but you seem to have more money then you'll need for a long time. Why not live off of it for a bit? Why make the money pile huge enough to sink a battleship? If I had that much in real life dollars I would chillax for a while and then tap into those business smarts when I need to. Not a sermon, just a thought.

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I wanted to hit the 8 digit mark for housing mostly, FC house and personal house since we don't have any prices yet.

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Originally Posted by Darki

I don't normally ask this question of anyone but I feel inclined to ask it now. You seemed to have worked long and hard for that gil. ....why? Does anything in FFXIV even cost anything close to 12.6 mil? I get that you took advantage of a high demand low supply market and I commend you for your business smarts but you seem to have more money then you'll need for a long time. Why not live off of it for a bit? Why make the money pile huge enough to sink a battleship? If I had that much in real life dollars I would chillax for a while and then tap into those business smarts when I need to. Not a sermon, just a thought.

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The problem with this kind of thinking is it's not a question anyone has to answer. There are no rules against owning a surplus of money, provided that money was earned in an honest fashion. Maybe some people want to save up for future content that requires funds, maybe some people just enjoy earning money, what does it matter?

It's akin to asking someone playing Galaga why they push for a higher score when they already have the top spot on the rankings, people like to improve.

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That does not make it right regardless, also it was divided by 100 not 10.

If you actually read the thread, you would see exactly how much my crafted items were selling for, also I don't believe their is a rule about not making too much gil lol.

You have a lvl 50 DoW/DoM class, I don't I wanted to make gil, my choice of how I play the game, or so I thought...

Yes divided by 100, I just ment they took the same approach to balance the economy around release. Which got severly screwed up in a month due to hackers/bots/cheaters etc. So now they had to go and do something to remove the wrongfully earned gil. The prices mentioned were also high for the age of the game, unless you bought gil or played the market/gold buyers.

If it wasnt for the gil buyers, there isnt a big chance that you or any other crafter for that matter would earn the money they earned. It's billions of gil they had to freeze over very few accounts, around 7000 or so. So the effected accounts are a very small portion of the total accounts.

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Yes divided by 100, I just ment they took the same approach to balance the economy around release. Which got severly screwed up in a month due to hackers/bots/cheaters etc. So now they had to go and do something to remove the wrongfully earned gil. The prices mentioned were also high for the age of the game, unless you bought gil or played the market/gold buyers.

If it wasnt for the gil buyers, there isnt a big chance that you or any other crafter for that matter would earn the money they earned. It's billions of gil they had to freeze over very few accounts, around 7000 or so. So the effected accounts are a very small portion of the total accounts.

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Yeah but at least at release it affected everyone, not just the die hard fans of the game that spent way too much time playing and trying to achieve server first. Maybe they should wipe out darklight gear from everyone too since some people abused speed runs?

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... I just meant they took the same approach to balance the economy around release.

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No, what they did between v1 and v2 was entirely different. That was redenomination of the game economy that affected *everyone*, even NPC pricing and rewards. In redenomination, everything was reduced to 10%: not only gil in our purses but all prices in-game. For example, in v1 I have 1000 gil and NPCs sell a hat for 1000 gil. In v2 I now have 100 gil and NPCs now sell that hat for 100 gil. No change in buying power.

And it wasn't due to RMT either. Yoshi-P explained that it was due to the price of expendables like arrows. For v1 they found they either had to charge fractions of gil per arrow, or multiply everything by 10 so arrows cost a whole number of gil. For v2, they stopped charging for arrows and undid the multiply-by-10.

In comparison, this recent act by SE was seizure of money from a few. They had 1000 gil and NPCs sell a hat for 1000. Now they have 10 gil and NPCs still sell that hat for 1000. Meanwhile everyone else still has 1000 gil.

Call it coincidence, but since service went paid for most yesterday, I didn't see one single RMT spam the whole day. Not one yell, shout, or whisper. I wonder if these RMT companies were taking advantage of the free trial to earn as much as possible before toning it down. Or did SE finally do something about them? Anyway, a bit off topic, but not much to say about what happened to the people who lost gil. It was unfairly handled, but probably needed to be done - things like that have to be done in a more respectful manner though. Not sending a blanket email saying you cheated and we are suspending you and taking your gil. A meaninful investigation should have taken place and the results explained to the players.

Another interesting note- just before all these suspends/bans happened, I noticed people shouting that they would buy Allagan pieces for up to 150% of their worth... seemed like blatant money laundering to me because they knew they were guilty of something. Not saying this about the OP or others, but there are players out there that have definitely earned gil in a wrongful way, and they know it.

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Originally Posted by Ervin

So now they had to go and do something to remove the wrongfully earned gil. The prices mentioned were also high for the age of the game, unless you bought gil or played the market/gold buyers.

If it wasnt for the gil buyers, there isnt a big chance that you or any other crafter for that matter would earn the money they earned. It's billions of gil they had to freeze over very few accounts, around 7000 or so. So the effected accounts are a very small portion of the total accounts.

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So your saying that a crafter that made 8mil and now has 80k (and lost a week) and a crafter with 7.9mil who still has 7.9mil + whatever he/she made in the week, are both being treated equally?

If the want to remove a fixed percentage of gil, they should remove it from EVERYONE, as EVERYONE is affected by RMT gil, including yourself.

Also the prices I mentioned can easily be bought with legit gil, 2k-50k is hardly hard to make. I've made 400k from leve's alone without even trying do the ones that give good gil. (well I had until SE also took that gil away...) That's not including the shards / items they also give.

One of the other threads on this topic has just been deleted.

A 60 page thread just deleted... Not a single word from a Community Rep/Mod.

In brighter news, I Actually managed to speak to a GM! In game.

He asked how I made so much gil, so I told him.

He asked how much I had lost.

He said after the convo this would be investigated, but could take some time.

I asked if I was telling the truth, will my gil be returned, he assured me it would if I'm legit.

Sounds promising, waiting game now I guess.