#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Tanks attempting to actively murder the healer to solo is definitely an anomaly (though one that wouldn’t exist if the tanks couldn’t solo the boss) but from all the listening posts I have access to the tank silently deciding to solo the boss has become a massive annoyance in DT that people aren’t happy with and it’s because the tank players aren’t actually better than anyone else, they just have an inbuilt 80% damage down that means they just tank mechanics that others die to then say it’s a skill issue

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That's really bothersome to hear if it is increasing in cases happening.
I'd say that one could at least start with reporting them for it, using following..

・Obstructing Gameplay Using Combat
Refers to an act of obstructive behavior such as using specific skills in an unintended manner or taking advantage of battle mechanics to interfere with the gameplay of other players.

Seeing how the Tank is actively, as you describe it, killing off group members using the boss's mechanics I'd say it could very well be classified under "taking advantage of battle mechanics to interfere with the gameplay of other players".
And by doing so the tank is also actively enforcing ・Expressions that attempt to unilaterally exclude someone from the game or content. Content being the bossfight in question.
Hopefully this can at least give some repercussion to griefing Tanks out there.

After an evening of dungeons, just wanting some quick queues: I really don't care if healers stay simple, they can lose half of these samey buttons and I wouldn't care I just want to press things other than Dosis/Glare/etc.

This is killing my hand, the sheer reptition. I've played games all my life and I've never seen anything like this, granted it's been going on forever but the exasperation has set in where it's like "how they can they be OK with this? Is there not one person who plays healer on the team?"

I really want to heal, I hate this, I really hate this. I dont know what they can do but I'd accept any solution at this point. Make the DPS spell auto cast and let me build parts of good heals in downtime like Picto motifs or something.

Devs, please do something, anything to make this spam stop, it's been half a damn decade.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

I am sure SE has the data that supports the changes they make. I doubt they are making changes based off their on whims, I doubt we would have a game that is growing in population and popularity if they were doing that.

Let be fair the healers were pressured to keep it off were because people could afraid they were going to wipe the group, just like how people pushed some tanks to not use dps stance and stay in tank stance for aggro reasons.

In the end SE has the data and they will use that data to support their choices, their data must have supported the complaints or I doubt they would have changed it.

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They had data back then, and changed the design philosophy based on player feedback, and how the game played after changes. Just because they have raw numbers doesn't mean they completely and perfectly understand what those numbers mean, or even how to perfectly design in a way to fix these issues. Mistakes are made, and lessons are learned.
Doesn't mean I, or anyone in this thread knows the exact solution to solve this problem, but we don't need to be experts to know that there's an issue in the first place.

Edit: Congrats everyone on 700 pages. How far we've come with so many repeated arguments.

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

Thank you, but I am well aware.
Henche why I added the part "passive as it is". Since I know it's not meant to be disruptive.
Which is the defining difference between then and now which might've been what tipped the scale back then for the change to even happen.
Hopefully I'm wrong on that part tho.

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my apologies.

big difference between then and now is, 700 pages, a lot of views as well as coverage outside of the forums. SE can say they dont intend to do anything, which is their call. but they can no longer say "we didnt know about this"

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Originally Posted by GartredZW

They had data back then, and changed the design philosophy based on player feedback, and how the game played after changes. Just because they have raw numbers doesn't mean they completely and perfectly understand what those numbers mean, or even how to perfectly design in a way to fix these issues. Mistakes are made, and lessons are learned.
Doesn't mean I, or anyone in this thread knows the exact solution to solve this problem, but we don't need to be experts to know that there's an issue in the first place.

Edit: Congrats everyone on 700 pages. How far we've come with so many repeated arguments.

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They keep claiming "player feedback", but honestly, I call BS. I truly believe they've gotten up their own asses with the ego that caused them to make the terrible decisions that led to 1.0 again. That mentality of "We know what our players want better than they do!" that they got stuck in over the massive success of XI. Heavensward was such a resounding success, that it was the peak of the XIV experience. Every expansion since then, has been a decline. Not to say that they were bad. But they did not reach HW's lofty heights. And now they're doubling, and tripling down on some really asinine decisions, all in the name of "player feedback" that doesn't even exist. Nobody is saying the things they're claiming we are. Even JP is questioning their decisions.

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

That's really bothersome to hear if it is increasing in cases happening.
I'd say that one could at least start with reporting them for it, using following..

・Obstructing Gameplay Using Combat
Refers to an act of obstructive behavior such as using specific skills in an unintended manner or taking advantage of battle mechanics to interfere with the gameplay of other players.

Seeing how the Tank is actively, as you describe it, killing off group members using the boss's mechanics I'd say it could very well be classified under "taking advantage of battle mechanics to interfere with the gameplay of other players".
And by doing so the tank is also actively enforcing ・Expressions that attempt to unilaterally exclude someone from the game or content. Content being the bossfight in question.
Hopefully this can at least give some repercussion to griefing Tanks out there.

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I would say a warrior soloing a boss and forcing everyone else to sit there for ten minutes is also a violation. Healer not functionally fulfilling its role causes this.
Being tank doesn't mean you get to be invincible. ...forever. Maybe 8 seconds sometimes but you get the point.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

You seem to be arguing from the position that SE has the data and so they cannot make the wrong decision.

We have seen that they have made a lot of decisions that were received very badly before, so just because they have the data still doesn't automatically mean they make the correct (or even the best) decisions.

The only difference here is that you have faith in SE, we don't.

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That is not my argument, my argument is SE will use their own data as a bases to make changes, we can cry and whine all we want but if their data supports their view they will make adjustments around that. Hey make your posts state your concerns, I hope healers get what they want, but I am not holding my breath.

As stated I hate current smn, I want old smn back but no amount of crying or posting feedback will bring back old smn. Screaming into a void is fun and all, but yeah.

Edit: Correct choice is subjective, clearly they have a different view as to what is correct or right with game design.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

larger demographic huh. just curious, in light of the upcoming Viper changes, which no one else seems to have complained about it being "busy" this doesnt seem to be a larger demographic pain point. in fact, no one knows where this idea comes from.

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Meh idk viper changes are weird I give you that, but also I have ran into people that have complained it is tad busy and hard to follow.

Kaiten is another example, literally nobody actually asked for Kaiten to be removed. Some people now retroactively say “eh it was just bloat” but nobody was actively going to square and saying “please delete Kaiten it’s the worst part of SAM’s kit”

They have also acknowledged they made a lot of mistakes with EW’s patch design

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

Meh idk viper changes are weird I give you that, but also I have ran into people that have complained it is tad busy and hard to follow.

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It would make more sense if they decided on the changes a little later. Not less then a week after the class was released, while people are still learning the thing

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Kaiten is another example, literally nobody actually asked for Kaiten to be removed. Some people now retroactively say “eh it was just bloat” but nobody was actively going to square and saying “please delete Kaiten it’s the worst part of SAM’s kit”

They have also acknowledged they made a lot of mistakes with EW’s patch design

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I have stated SE is not perfect, maybe I am just more jaded cause SE killed the playstyle and job I loved which was smn. I hope healer strike can prove me wrong.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

It would make more sense if they decided on the changes a little later. Not less then a week after the class was released, while people are still learning the thing

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yeah, less than a week raises more than a few eyebrows since who exactly had time to learn the job?

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

That is not my argument, my argument is SE will use their own data as a bases to make changes, we can cry and whine all we want but if their data supports their view they will make adjustments around that. Hey make your posts state your concerns, I hope healers get what they want, but I am not holding my breath.

As stated I hate current smn, I want old smn back but no amount of crying or posting feedback will bring back old smn. Screaming into a void is fun and all, but yeah.

Edit: Correct choice is subjective, clearly they have a different view as to what is correct or right with game design.

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They also take player feedback into account in their data. (or at least, I hope they do). So a 700 page forum thread with a ton of people expressing distaste with the healer role should probably turn some heads.

GZ all on 7000 posts, now for another 7000

It really does feel (and to me, during EW too) that the shoe had swapped feet, that WOW was the underdog that was now fighting to regain the trust of its playerbase after having taken them for granted (with Dragonflight and now The War Within), and SE has become the 'king' that believes it is too large to fail

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Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe

GZ all on 7000 posts, now for another 7000

It really does feel (and to me, during EW too) that the shoe had swapped feet, that WOW was the underdog that was now fighting to regain the trust of its playerbase after having taken them for granted (with Dragonflight and now The War Within), and SE has become the 'king' that believes it is too large to fail

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Now we just need Yoshi P to have a "You think you do, but you don't" moment to complete the circle.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

Now we just need Yoshi P to have a "You think you do, but you don't" moment to complete the circle.

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Isn't that what 'If you want challenging gameplay as healer, give ultimate a try!' was? Or how about 'please give healers a try' (in response to Abyssos causing a shortage)? Or what about the one that went something like 'Our data showed SCH was forcing WHM to do all the healing' (the charts from the time showed the two to be equal on HPS, and with the 'Mitigation = HPS' change to FFlogs, SCH would dominate in said charts)

YoshiP's had plenty of 'moments', I'd say

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

The thing about the healer strike that confuses me, didn't healers have more DPS buttons to press back in the day like sch or had more things to engage with such as cleric stance and astro cards? Wasn't healing not as easy for the masses due to cleric stance, and tanks using dps accessories and tanking in dps stance so aggro was more of a group effort.

Overall the game had more engagement back in the day but didn't people complain? Healers complained how annoying it was to heal tanks in dps stance, astro complained how the card system was not engaging because it was just fishing for balance and the RNG did not feel good. Community complained sch would have have the fairy heal and end up letting people die? How cleric stance was unfun and clunky leading to unnecessary deaths cause it was just annoying to manage.

SE listened, and now people are upset SE is not listening? They gave the masses what they want a more streamlined experience.

Edit: I am not saying how the DEVS handled stuff in the past was perfect but they did try, and the community asked for the removal of stuff not the adjustment. Yet now they are upset when the stuff is gone? People even stated that we should be careful what we ask of the DEV's because often times things do not get replaced when they are removed.

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Surely you have sources for this claim that Healers complained about the old healer Design.

Because if you had been active back in the day (or just went to the depths of ~page 80 on wards of the healer Forum) you'd know that No. Even back during Stormblood AST didn't primarily complain about balance fishing but having the least DoTs.
And that WHM's StB lilies were broken.

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Originally Posted by Sani2341

Surely you have sources for this claim that Healers complained about the old healer Design.

Because if you had been active back in the day (or just went to the depths of ~page 80 on wards of the healer Forum) you'd know that No. Even back during Stormblood AST didn't primarily complain about balance fishing but having the least DoTs.
And that WHM's StB lilies were broken.

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I am not going to go through that many threads to pull up threads regarding balance fishing, but wasn't that one of the complaints that lead to the card change because many did not enjoy the RNG aspect and how balance was pretty much the only card people wanted? Isn't that why they pretty much made the cards more or less do the same thing to remove that rng element.

I played sch and smn back then.

Edit: Unless what you are saying is SE just makes changes based off their own whims and just state player feedback but are just going based off their own personal feedback. If that is the case then how is this game growing in population? Is the story in itself all that carries this game?

I get hating on SE is fun, but come on.

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Originally Posted by GartredZW

They also take player feedback into account in their data. (or at least, I hope they do). So a 700 page forum thread with a ton of people expressing distaste with the healer role should probably turn some heads.

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Maybe, I just think that most players are fine with healers as they are so I doubt it will turn that many heads at SE. I hope you guys are right. I miss old healers also, I enjoyed cleric stance and old sch.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

Maybe, I just think that most players are fine with healers as they are so I doubt it will turn that many heads at SE. I hope you guys are right. I miss old healers also, I enjoyed cleric stance and old sch.

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On the basis of silent majority argument, people back in StB were fine with all jobs as they were. I'm pretty sure no one had ever asked for homogenization across all jobs in every role.

I think no one would ever love to see half of their kits got removed.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

I am not going to go through that many threads to pull up threads regarding balance fishing, but wasn't that one of the complaints that lead to the card change because many did not enjoy the RNG aspect and how balance was pretty much the only card people wanted? Isn't that why they pretty much made the cards more or less do the same thing to remove that rng element.

I played sch and smn back then.

Edit: Unless what you are saying is SE just makes changes based off their own whims and just state player feedback but are just going based off their own personal feedback. If that is the case then how is this game growing in population? Is the story in itself all that carries this game?

I get hating on SE is fun, but come on.

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I see good old 'trust me Bro' annecdotes.

Also yes, SE not actually listening to Feedback nor at least acknowledge it, at least from non-jp is part of the reason this thread and the Strike got started.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

Unless what you are saying is SE just makes changes based off their own whims and just state player feedback but are just going based off their own personal feedback. If that is the case then how is this game growing in population? Is the story in itself all that carries this game?

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Considering that they got angry at player feedback during the whole Stormblood lilies drama, why should we automatically assume that they're happily taking our feedback after they so publicly rejected it?

Also, I don't think I need to remind you, but the game also grew in population from ARR to HW and from HW to SB. If those job kits were so hated by this nebulous, unknown, silent majority, surely those expansions should've flopped hard?

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Originally Posted by Aravell

Now we just need Yoshi P to have a "You think you do, but you don't" moment to complete the circle.

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Didn't he tell healers to just go and play ultimates?

In a moment of weakness in my ambition to get the Level 100 mount as soon as possible, I decided to queue as Sage into the 95 dungeon for quicker levelling - shouldn't be too bad right? I'm immediately greeted with a WAR who never needs any healing, a melee DPS who bloodbaths everything, and a pictomancer who knows the mechanics. Any unavoidable AOE is immediately mitigated and healed by the WAR as well with their ''shake it off/nascent flash'' abilities.

I didn't even put kardia on anyone, or have to heal anything. I literally just mashed one button for 90% of the encounter and left the dungeon. The WAR being a literal healer and replacing me isn't even the biggest problem, it's that this role just has nothing going for it outside high-end prog. No fun, nothing stimulating, no rotation of DPS buttons or mechanics to do that literally every other role gets to have. I had to put on a youtube video on a second monitor to keep me from falling asleep, how the fuck is this acceptable design for a 5th consecutive year? I just refuse to do it - the healers will be levelled with beast tribes, frontline, and books.

Small rant about my 20 minute experience of being yet again, shocked at how abysmal healing has become and how the developers have had 5 years to fix or improve on this, and instead triple down.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

Is the story in itself all that carries this game?

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I'd argue absolutely. I know I tolerated ShB only as well as I did because the story was actually great. The side content wasn't as plentiful as previous expansions but that was fine for me since I just liked the story elements of the expansion. EW however, was terrible and I had even unsubbed for a year because I couldn't give a damn about any of it; The job designs had somehow gotten worse, fight encounters were mid at best (with some exceptions), the side content had 0 longevity, there was literally nothing to keep me playing. With DT's story falling even flatter and job design still falling down a crapshoot, unless the 7.X content is godly to make up for everything thus far (like SB did) than I just don't see how this is even a question or see why anyone would keep an active sub instead of just subbing to play every patch or so.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

Now we just need Yoshi P to have a "You think you do, but you don't" moment to complete the circle.

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At least we'll know at that point XD

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

But hey, even if it might've been a minority who protested against using DPS skills back then and they got their way, maybe this strike, being a minority as well could bring yet another change.

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Minorities often drive change because they are typically more passionate, committed, and innovative, with a clear vision and adaptability that enables them to challenge the status quo effectively. As Samuel Adams noted, "It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." In contrast, majorities tend to be more passive, often exhibiting conformity and maintaining the status quo, with individuals feeling less urgency or responsibility to take action, assuming that others will address issues or that existing systems are sufficient. This aligns with Mark Twain's observation that, "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect."

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Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe

GZ all on 7000 posts, now for another 7000

It really does feel (and to me, during EW too) that the shoe had swapped feet, that WOW was the underdog that was now fighting to regain the trust of its playerbase after having taken them for granted (with Dragonflight and now The War Within), and SE has become the 'king' that believes it is too large to fail

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Wow was never the underdog tbh.
Wow will always eclipse FF14 in popularity.

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Originally Posted by Aword3213

On the basis of silent majority argument, people back in StB were fine with all jobs as they were. I'm pretty sure no one had ever asked for homogenization across all jobs in every role.

I think no one would ever love to see half of their kits got removed.

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Hey I hope you guys are right, but end of the day I still do content as healers, and playing the game. I hope this garners the change people want. I also miss old healers I was one of those crazy people that enjoyed cleric stance.

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Originally Posted by Sani2341

I see good old 'trust me Bro' annecdotes.

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If you want to go back and look at 6 or seven year old threads be my guest. I am not invested enough to do all of that.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

Considering that they got angry at player feedback during the whole Stormblood lilies drama, why should we automatically assume that they're happily taking our feedback after they so publicly rejected it?

Also, I don't think I need to remind you, but the game also grew in population from ARR to HW and from HW to SB. If those job kits were so hated by this nebulous, unknown, silent majority, surely those expansions should've flopped hard?

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I did not touch WHM, I remember lilies being lackluster and people asking for a slight buff or something. If SE got upset with the community for the feedback fair. I do not recall this.

No they would not have flopped because the game still had a fanbase, but we cannot deny the growth the game has had since SB, more people are playing. I would argue SB had the perfect balance for the content, not to hard that it turns people off but not to boring that it also pushed people away. That said I know many people that did not enjoy it.

Unfort I hate admit it but I know more people that want to get rid of things like positional skills, dots, aggro management, find GNB too "busy". As I have said many times I hope you guys get the change you want cause I also miss old healers but I am sorry from what I can tell as someone that runs content on the causal side people seem to still engage with the content as is. I just don't think most people care the way people think they do.

SE is in a weird spot cause any change to healers or tanks in how they play at this stage risk alienating a larger base. They were able to do this thing like rework how tanks tank and healer kits because to be frank the base that was playing those roles were smaller. With the influx of players the base is larger. I know many people that play tank because they are just easier melee DPS, and I know healers that now player healer that did not before because it is easier and have less to worry about.

At times I do wonder if the game is for me anymore, idk I play for my friends and I do still enjoy some of the jobs still. Maybe the game is not meant for people that want more outside of certain patch cycles. IDK

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

[…]At times I do wonder if the game is for me anymore, idk I play for my friends and I do still enjoy some of the jobs still. Maybe the game is not meant for people that want more outside of certain patch cycles. IDK

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Somebody in this forum has eloquently put out a better word before: “FFXIV is like a cheap cafe. Service are… acceptable. Foods & drinks may be average or below average. But it’s a tolerable—even a nice place IF you have friends to hang around together.”

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

SE is in a weird spot cause any change to healers or tanks in how they play at this stage risk alienating a larger base. They were able to do this thing like rework how tanks tank and healer kits because to be frank the base that was playing those roles were smaller. With the influx of players the base is larger. I know many people that play tank because they are just easier melee DPS, and I know healers that now player healer that did not before because it is easier and have less to worry about.

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It's all anecdotal in the end. You say you see people picking up the role, while I see tanks and healers who were in the role for years dropping it entirely.

We'll just have to wait for the next luckybancho census to have a rough idea of how the population levels are going.

We do at least know that healer population has been bleeding from ShB onwards though. Perhaps it will reach a critical point in DT, perhaps not.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

Edit: Unless what you are saying is SE just makes changes based off their own whims and just state player feedback but are just going based off their own personal feedback. If that is the case then how is this game growing in population? Is the story in itself all that carries this game?

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after the viper changes less than a week after launch, that no one asked for, that no one who played the game long enough to learn the job asked for...

can you -really- say they do not? based on that kind of kneejerk reaction, I would say yes... it is based 99% off their whims and 1% player feedback, if any.

With summoners popularity there are more healers because people will just play SCH in roulettes then go back to their main whenever they have the chance.
There are healers in this game but there are barely any healer mains and it really shows, ive played with plenty of SCH who don't use most of their kit and some who didnt do job quests to unlock some abilities. Even with Sage by far the most popular healer with the most mains, they really aren't that good at the job. I don't think people really main healers, they main DPS/Tanks and have a healer they go to sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Zaytex

In a moment of weakness in my ambition to get the Level 100 mount as soon as possible, I decided to queue as Sage into the 95 dungeon for quicker levelling - shouldn't be too bad right? I'm immediately greeted with a WAR who never needs any healing, a melee DPS who bloodbaths everything, and a pictomancer who knows the mechanics. Any unavoidable AOE is immediately mitigated and healed by the WAR as well with their ''shake it off/nascent flash'' abilities.

I didn't even put kardia on anyone, or have to heal anything. I literally just mashed one button for 90% of the encounter and left the dungeon. The WAR being a literal healer and replacing me isn't even the biggest problem, it's that this role just has nothing going for it outside high-end prog. No fun, nothing stimulating, no rotation of DPS buttons or mechanics to do that literally every other role gets to have. I had to put on a youtube video on a second monitor to keep me from falling asleep, how the fuck is this acceptable design for a 5th consecutive year? I just refuse to do it - the healers will be levelled with beast tribes, frontline, and books.

Small rant about my 20 minute experience of being yet again, shocked at how abysmal healing has become and how the developers have had 5 years to fix or improve on this, and instead triple down.

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(Sarcasm) But wait to you get to level 100!! Then you will have more abilities you don’t need!

So, how is it going? I've been keeping my ear to the ground and I have honestly have yet to feel the strike, I do have a healer friend I play with most of the time so that is most likely why, but even when I solo Q I did not notice any difference.

Not a troll btw, I'm all for the strike and agree with your points, I just really want to know if it looks like it's "working" at all from your point of view.

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Originally Posted by DaveFishnomer

So, how is it going? I've been keeping my ear to the ground and I have honestly have yet to feel the strike, I do have a healer friend I play with most of the time so that is most likely why, but even when I solo Q I did not notice any difference.

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I keep seeing reports of ‘healer queues not changing at all’, but frankly now I’m trying to levelling Pictomancer I have to question how many of these reporters are actually using Duty Finder over just jumping into dungeons with static/fc members. I literally haven’t had a single dungeon queue on Pictomancer that wasn’t 20+ minutes (on Odin world). Another dps will usually appear within 5 minutes, but then it’s another 15 minutes for one single healer to appear, and even longer for the tanks! Whether it’s the healer strike or something else, my experience has been that the healer shortage has absolutely tanked queues for dps.

And even with a cursed double-dps expansion, these queue times are hugely disproportionate to the actual population of active players, further suggesting that there’s more than enough players for short dps queues; they simply refuse to play healers anymore.

As an aside, interestingly it’s still tanks that take longest to appear on my server. Waiting on a healer is abysmal, but waiting on a tank is literal hell lol. I don’t remember it ever being as bad during Endwalker for either of them. Hell sometimes I’d get instant dps queues. So not only is there a huge healer shortage, but the exact same thing has happened to tanks too.

Yes but as you said it's the same and even longer for tanks, and there is no "Tank strike" is there? as far as my memory serves solo dps queue was always insane, I used to play other games in the background for 30m + until a dungeon popped, granted, I did not level a lot of dps over the years, but that is my experience with it at least.

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Originally Posted by DaveFishnomer

Yes but as you said it's the same and even longer for tanks, and there is no "Tank strike" is there?.

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I mean, you can consult any one of the many, many, many threads about the many issues tanks currently have with current content design. There’s no ‘official’ thread on it, but there essentially is a ‘tank strike’, people just haven’t been as direct with it as they have for healers

I’m not sure what relevance the dps queues of other games has to this topic. FFXIV has an enormous playerbase and more than enough players that there’s no logical reason we should be waiting so long for healers or tanks, unless there’s fundamental issues with both those roles putting people off ever playing then

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Originally Posted by DaveFishnomer

Yes but as you said it's the same and even longer for tanks, and there is no "Tank strike" is there? as far as my memory serves solo dps queue was always insane, I used to play other games in the background for 30m + until a dungeon popped, granted, I did not level a lot of dps over the years, but that is my experience with it at least.

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never fear, if there are not enough tanks for things, I am sure that SE will do their best to remove the stress and difficulty of being a tank, and they will get the same loving attention that healers received.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

never fear, if there are not enough tanks for things, I am sure that SE will do their best to remove the stress and difficulty of being a tank, and they will get the same loving attention that healers received.

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What stress? I main a drk, have been for years, tanks are just getting worse year by year(unless you play war), I feel like a glorified dps a lot of the time, even in extremes and raids you might have one "different" thing you need to do, but I'm just a weaker dps overall.
I think people dont play a lot of tanks because it's just a weaker dps, might as well play a dps(?), also, they dont release new interesting tanks and healers. they released two new dps's, so ya, a lot of people play the new dps's, every group I join today has at least one viper and one picto, it's gonna be like that for a few months.

If they released a new healer you would see it more, like they did with sage.

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Originally Posted by Connor

I mean, you can consult any one of the many, many, many threads about the many issues tanks currently have with current content design. There’s no ‘official’ thread on it, but there essentially is a ‘tank strike’, people just haven’t been as direct with it as they have for healers

I’m not sure what relevance the dps queues of other games has to this topic. FFXIV has an enormous playerbase and more than enough players that there’s no logical reason we should be waiting so long for healers or tanks, unless there’s fundamental issues with both those roles putting people off ever playing then

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Well, Ya I guess you are right, I play the role because I like it thematicly but I am mostly a dps that dies a bit slower, no real mechanic of being a tank, it happens sometimes in highend content, but even there, here is a tank buster, or, grab that tether then tank buster, or, here are 5 tank busters in a row, switch with the OT a couple of times.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

never fear, if there are not enough tanks for things, I am sure that SE will do their best to remove the stress and difficulty of being a tank, and they will get the same loving attention that healers received.

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Playing tanks is too hard and too stressful for me.

I really want to play as tanks to fulfill my fantacy I have on my WoL. Unfortunately, I feel the responsibilty in playing tanks is gatekeeping me

Hopefully one day SE will give passive 500 potency aoe regen aura on tank stance, so tank role will be more accessible for people like me. While they're on it, please make tank rotation easier. I have trouble managing aggro due to the complexity in their current kit. Maybe make Fellcleave consume no Beast gauge, remove Upheaval, or something like that.