Chocobo Dye Experimentation

So deciding if I want to make the trip from Colibri Pink to Soot Black. But if I do I wonder if it would be better to reset it before doing so.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Going to join the fray here and post each step of my progress from Desert Yellow to Grape Purple (one new feathers message from one fruit type at a time). Hopefully I can help corroborate the findings so far, and if something goes horribly awry, hopefully you'll at least be able to help meh fix it!

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PREVIOUS STEPS

FEED #1 (Stable: Good)

Starting Color: Desert Yellow (216 175 80)
Feed: Xelphatol Apple
Log:

• Fed Apple
  
• Timer Begins ("New Plumage")
• Fed Apple
• Color Shifts ("New Feathers")

Expectation: Millioncorn Yellow (226 152 46)
Resulting Color: Millioncorn Yellow (226 152 46)
Notes: Corroborates chart so far.

FEED #2 (Stable: Good)

Starting Color: Millioncorn Yellow (226 152 46)
Feed: Xelphatol Apple
Log:

• Fed Apple
  
• Timer Begins ("New Plumage")
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Color Shifts ("New Feathers")

Expectation: Pumpkin Orange (293 109 31)
Resulting Color: Pumpkin Orange (293 109 31)
Notes: 13 feeds to move one color, oof. Gonna need to grow another set of apples...

FEED #3 (Stable: Good)

Starting Color: Pumpkin Orange (293 109 31)
Feed: Xelphatol Apple
Log:

• Fed Apple
  
• Timer Begins ("New Plumage")
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Color Shifts ("New Feathers")

Expectation: Sunset Orange (178 85 39)
Resulting Color: Sunset Orange (178 85 39)
Notes: This stage is a little strange if one assumes that the raw RGB values are of worth, here. From Pumpkin to Sunset, the green decreases as expected, but the red decreases and the blue increases? From an apple? SE's values must be a little different if this is true. Also, another 12 apples down. Doubt I'll make it from sunset (assuming I get sunset) to blood in just 9 from my first planting. <sad meh>

FEED #4 (Stable: Good)

Starting Color: Sunset Orange (178 85 39)
Feed: Xelphatol Apple
Log:

• Fed Apple
  
• Timer Begins ("New Plumage")
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Color Shifts ("New Feathers")

Expectation: Blood Red (139 52 34)
Resulting Color: Blood Red (139 52 34)
Notes: So far so good! Could I truly be done with apples!?

FEED #5 (Stable: Good)

Starting Color: Blood Red (139 52 34)
Feed:O'Ghomoro Berries
Log:

• Fed Berries
• Timer Begins ("New Plumage")
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Color Shifts ("New Feathers")

Expectation: Dalamud Red (113 22 22)
Resulting Color: TIMER IN PROGRESS; UPDATE AT 9:31PM EST
Notes: Come onnnn, RNGesus, smooth transitions, no loops! Lessdothis!

FEED #6 (Stable: Good)

Starting Color: Dalamud Red (113 22 22)
Feed:O'Ghomoro Berries
Log:

• Fed Berries
• Timer Begins ("New Plumage")
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Color Shifts ("New Feathers")

Expectation: Rolanberry Red (84 19 35)
Resulting Color: TIMER IN PROGRESS; UPDATE AT 4:20AM EST
Notes: That is a lot of berries... fahk. Thinking I might overshoot it.

FEED #7 (Stable: Fair at first, noticed and cleaned them after 6 of 11 feedings)

Starting Color: Rolanberry Red (84 19 35)
Feed: Mamook Pears
Log:

• Fed Pears
• Timer Begins ("New Plumage")
• Fed Pears
• Fed Pears
• Fed Pears
• Fed Pears
• Fed Pears
• Fed Pears
• Fed Pears
• Fed Pears
• Fed Pears
• Fed Pears
• Color Shifts ("New Feathers")

Expectation: Grape Purple (52 36 54)
Resulting Color: Russet Brown (72 39 26)
Notes: Could we really be on the home stretch!? Let's not jinx it. Lots of hope and TLC and prayers to RNGesus that a fair stable for half the feeds doesn't send it to Swampass Breen or something. AAAAAND IT'S BROWN. Heartbreaking.

FEED #8 (Stable: Good)
Starting Color: Russet Brown (72 39 26)
Feed: Doman Plum
Log:

• Fed Plum
• Timer Begins ("New Plumage")
• Fed Plum
• Fed Plum
• Color Shifts ("New Feathers")

Expectation: None
Resulting Color: Loam Brown (56 45 35)
Notes: Eugh

FULL SUMMARY
Staring Color: Desert Yellow (216 175 80)
End Goal: Grape Purple (52 36 54)
Path to Date:

• [Step 1] Desert Yellow to Millioncorn Yellow in 2 Apples ✓
• [Step 2] Millioncorn Yellow to Pumpkin Orange in 13 Apples ✓
• [Step 3] Pumpkin Orange to Sunset Orange in 12 Apples ✓
• [Step 4] Sunset Orange to Blood Red in 11 Apples ✓
• [Step 5] Blood Red to Dalamud Red in 4 Berries ✓
• [Step 6] Dalamud Red to Rolanberry Red in 15 Berries ✓
• [Step 7] Rolanberry Red to Russet Brown in 11 Pears ✘
• [Step A] Russet Brown to Loam Brown in 3 Plums

Total Feedings: 38 Xelphatol Apples, 19 O'Ghomoro Berries, 11 Mamook Pears, 3 Plums

Current Notes: Eugh. No idea what I'm doing. Based on previous available information, the numbers currently in play, Raven's suggestions, and Zaes' past success, I'm going for a round of berries. Only two to get the feather proc.

On my hunt for Ochu amd Hunter green I came across some single feather procs I have not seen listed or atleast not these paths.

Starting at my Apple Green bird
fruit used: Xelphatol Apple
total fed: 10 total procs: 1
result: Cactuar Green
fruit used: Xelphatol Apple
total fed: 9 total procs: 1
result: Moss Green
fruit used: Xelphatol Apple
total fed: 8 total procs: 1
result: Acorn Brown
fruit used: O'Ghomoro Berries
total used: 5 total procs: 1
result: Orchard Brown
fruit used: Apple
total used: 1 total procs: 1
result: Acorn Brown
fruit used: Xelphatol Apple
total used: 1 total procs: 1
result: Mesa Red
from this point on I used Mamook Pears in single procs to reverse all the way back to cactuar green then red did the path using apples to get to Mesa Red
starting color: Mesa Red
fruit used: Xelphatol Apples
total used: 5 total procs: 1
result: Blood Red

atm I am not sure where it will be best to search for Ochu and Hunter so until I see other another way I think I will aim for deepwood and try lightening from that.

Starting: Russet Brown
Fed (new feathers messages): 1x Berries
Result: Charcoal Grey

Finally got my friend's bird to soot black after 10 feedings. If you guys are interested you can look at my previous post in this thread on the path we took. Good luck with your colors!

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Originally Posted by Aurelie

So this brings me up to now. I found this chart too:

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...661/vBZmlD.png

and so I decided to try going by it. I gave 1 O'Ghomoro Berries last night, and today my chocobo is Royal Blue. Very pretty!

http://www.roxannedavisphotography.c...%20Chocobo.png

As you can see, neither chart shows getting Royal Blue next, but that is where I am at.
I have kept the stable in good condition the entire time, I don't know if this has any effect on the changes or not.

I just fed my chocobo 3 Xelphatol Apples and got the growing feathers message after the 3rd one. I will post again at the next color change.

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So I just checked my chocobo and it is back to Regal Purple again. I seem to be stuck in the same loop as Kingmanath. Feeding the apples didn't work for me either. I am wondering if I would be better off just changing my chocobo back to it's original yellow and starting over again. Any suggestions?

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Originally Posted by Mtoasty

Result so far!

Storm Blue + Mamook Pear = Morbol Green

After that I did:

Morbol Green + Pineapple = Nophica Green

I wanted to try and be spontaneous so I did:

Nophica Green + Apple = Charcoal Grey!

Very cool looking:
http://i.imgur.com/mWqrHVu.jpg

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After feeding a Berry to the Chocobo He is now at Shadow Blue. Fed more berries to see where I go next!

So, being unsure as to what to do from here, I decided to feed Berries. Since I had previously gotten to Gloom Purple then Royal Blue with berries, I decided to feed 1 more berries after getting the growing feathers message and see if that gets me back to Royal Blue. If so, I am going to try feeding 2 apples and see if it gets me to Rolanberry Red.

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Originally Posted by Ravenloft

I'm stuck In a loop of Regal Purple and Dalamud Red.

Apples did not work getting me from Regal to Rolanbarry.
I'm back on Regal now, trying with Pineapples, which I had initially thought to do, but changed my mind to Apples.

My Old Post with everything recorded in it.

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The PNG file is nice to have, but it still needs to tidy up a bit more. It has Regal Purple at two locations, with two different paths and each containing only half of the information.

Blue path -> Regal Purple -> can feed berry only -> Othard Blue
Red Path -> Regal Purple -> can feed apple only -> Dalamund Red

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Originally Posted by Gilgameshkun

Been working on this for over 3days now... it isnt very pretty but... :D http://i.imgur.com/1ussuy3.png

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i followed the route to soot black, right now im going rolanberry red but im confused in the step to go from midnight blue to kebold brown i have to use multiple fruits or one type of any of the fruits mentioned in the chart?

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Originally Posted by Krimelio

i followed the route to soot black, right now im going rolanberry red but im confused in the step to go from midnight blue to kebold brown i have to use multiple fruits or one type of any of the fruits mentioned in the chart?

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If you are using this chart:

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...661/vBZmlD.png

It says at the bottom that all of the steps use 1 type of fruit. You just choose one of those types of fruit to feed it, and any one of them is supposed to work.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Going to join the fray here and post each step of my progress from Desert Yellow to Grape Purple (one new feathers message from one fruit type at a time). Hopefully I can help corroborate the findings so far, and if something goes horribly awry, hopefully you'll at least be able to help meh fix it!

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BASIC SUMMARY
Desert Yellow (216 175 80) to Grape Purple (52 36 54)

THE PLAN
Steps one to six went as planned, but Russet Brown came out of nowhere and broke my little lalafell heart at step seven. Applying the theories we've developed so far, I was able to course correct it in two additional, nerve-racking steps.

• [Step 1] Desert Yellow to Millioncorn Yellow in 2 Apples ✓
• [Step 2] Millioncorn Yellow to Pumpkin Orange in 13 Apples ✓
• [Step 3] Pumpkin Orange to Sunset Orange in 12 Apples ✓
• [Step 4] Sunset Orange to Blood Red in 11 Apples ✓
• [Step 5] Blood Red to Dalamud Red in 4 Berries ✓
• [Step 6] Dalamud Red to Rolanberry Red in 15 Berries ✓
• [Step 7] Rolanberry Red to Russet Brown in 11 Pears ✘
• [Step A] Russet Brown to Loam Brown in 3 Plums ✘
• [Step B] Loam Broan to Grape Purple in 2 Berries. ✓

Total Expenditure: 38 Xelphatol Apples, 21 O'Ghomoro Berries, 11 Mamook Pears, 3 Plums

FULL FEEDING JOURNAL

FEED #1 (Stable: Good)

Starting Color: Desert Yellow (216 175 80)
Feed: Xelphatol Apple
Log:

• Fed Apple
  
• Timer Begins ("New Plumage")
• Fed Apple
• Color Shifts ("New Feathers")

Expectation: Millioncorn Yellow (226 152 46)
Resulting Color: Millioncorn Yellow (226 152 46)
Notes: Corroborates chart so far.

FEED #2 (Stable: Good)

Starting Color: Millioncorn Yellow (226 152 46)
Feed: Xelphatol Apple
Log:

• Fed Apple
  
• Timer Begins ("New Plumage")
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Color Shifts ("New Feathers")

Expectation: Pumpkin Orange (293 109 31)
Resulting Color: Pumpkin Orange (293 109 31)
Notes: 13 feeds to move one color, oof. Gonna need to grow another set of apples...

FEED #3 (Stable: Good)

Starting Color: Pumpkin Orange (293 109 31)
Feed: Xelphatol Apple
Log:

• Fed Apple
  
• Timer Begins ("New Plumage")
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Color Shifts ("New Feathers")

Expectation: Sunset Orange (178 85 39)
Resulting Color: Sunset Orange (178 85 39)
Notes: This stage is a little strange if one assumes that the raw RGB values are of worth, here. From Pumpkin to Sunset, the green decreases as expected, but the red decreases and the blue increases? From an apple? SE's values must be a little different if this is true. Also, another 12 apples down. Doubt I'll make it from sunset (assuming I get sunset) to blood in just 9 from my first planting. <sad meh>

FEED #4 (Stable: Good)

Starting Color: Sunset Orange (178 85 39)
Feed: Xelphatol Apple
Log:

• Fed Apple
  
• Timer Begins ("New Plumage")
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Color Shifts ("New Feathers")

Expectation: Blood Red (139 52 34)
Resulting Color: Blood Red (139 52 34)
Notes: So far so good! Could I truly be done with apples!?

FEED #5 (Stable: Good)

Starting Color: Blood Red (139 52 34)
Feed:O'Ghomoro Berries
Log:

• Fed Berries
• Timer Begins ("New Plumage")
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Color Shifts ("New Feathers")

Expectation: Dalamud Red (113 22 22)
Resulting Color: TIMER IN PROGRESS; UPDATE AT 9:31PM EST
Notes: Come onnnn, RNGesus, smooth transitions, no loops! Lessdothis!

FEED #6 (Stable: Good)

Starting Color: Dalamud Red (113 22 22)
Feed:O'Ghomoro Berries
Log:

• Fed Berries
• Timer Begins ("New Plumage")
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Fed Berries
• Color Shifts ("New Feathers")

Expectation: Rolanberry Red (84 19 35)
Resulting Color: TIMER IN PROGRESS; UPDATE AT 4:20AM EST
Notes: That is a lot of berries... fahk. Thinking I might overshoot it.

FEED #7 (Stable: Fair at first, noticed and cleaned them after 6 of 11 feedings)

Starting Color: Rolanberry Red (84 19 35)
Feed: Mamook Pears
Log:

• Fed Pears
• Timer Begins ("New Plumage")
• Fed Pears
• Fed Pears
• Fed Pears
• Fed Pears
• Fed Pears
• Fed Pears
• Fed Pears
• Fed Pears
• Fed Pears
• Fed Pears
• Color Shifts ("New Feathers")

Expectation: Grape Purple (52 36 54)
Resulting Color: Russet Brown (72 39 26)
Notes: Could we really be on the home stretch!? Let's not jinx it. Lots of hope and TLC and prayers to RNGesus that a fair stable for half the feeds doesn't send it to Swampass Breen or something. AAAAAND IT'S BROWN. Heartbreaking.

FEED #8 (Stable: Good)

Starting Color: Russet Brown (72 39 26)
Feed: Doman Plum
Log:

• Fed Plum
• Timer Begins ("New Plumage")
• Fed Plum
• Fed Plum
• Color Shifts ("New Feathers")

Expectation: None
Resulting Color: Loam Brown (56 45 35)
Notes: Eugh.

FEED #9 (Stable: Good)

Starting Color: Loam Brown (56 45 35)
Feed: O'Ghomoro Berries
Log:

• Fed Berries
• Timer Begins ("New Plumage")
• Fed Berries
• Color Shifts ("New Feathers")

Expectation: None
Resulting Color:Grape Purple (52 36 54)
Notes: FINGERS IN THE AIR, RNGESUS - STICK THAT IN YOUR STRAW AND SUC-I mean, I uh, w...woooo... Yes. Woo.

NAILED IT. Not only did we nail it, but, in my humble opinion, the final steps to get there lend a lot of support to the main ideas we've had in this thread: Every fruit counts to some degree, RNG is involved, the "New Feathers" message gives you the option of (limited) control, a fruit's effect on one color has an equal(?) and opposite effect on the other two colors, and course correction is a bitch. I'd like to give a very big thank you to everyone here taking the longer, more obnoxious path through the scientific method thread, both for the theory progress and the advice. I hope what input I could provide helps you in return.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwWVy-HIQAAVx-u.png:large

Yeah I'm finally out of the loop ^^
With one pear I've had : Royal Blue --> Storm Blue :)
Thx a lot for your help, and see you for next loop :p

I'm still working on getting Currant Purple, but these are my latest results:

Shadow Blue + Xelphatol Apple -> Grape Purple
Grape Purple + Mamook Pear -> Shadow Blue (twice now)
Shadow Blue + Xelphatol Apple -> Loam Brown

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Originally Posted by Aurelie

It says at the bottom that all of the steps use 1 type of fruit. You just choose one of those types of fruit to feed it, and any one of them is supposed to work.

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ok thanks :)

The Image Spreadsheet used:

We tried to feed chocobos with "grow new feather" messages like the image arrows told us but all chocobos stoped much more colors before the goal color! Example we tried snow white and image say 3 times feathers, did it but color result was bone white. We tried to get raptor blue and image say around 6 arrows = 6 times grow new feather... results in gobubbe brown after 6 hours witch is 2 arrows after normal color but with 6 messages in one feeding session.

I think the Image needs to be redone with breaks at the arrows where to stop a session and wait 6 hours before feeding more fruits.

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Originally Posted by Kingmanath

Yeah I'm finally out of the loop ^^
With one pear I've had : Royal Blue --> Storm Blue :)
Thx a lot for your help, and see you for next loop :p

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I have been stuck in the same loop. I decided to feed 1 more berries after getting the growing feathers message and see if that got me from Regal purple back to Royal Blue, and it did, so I am going to try feeding 2 apples and see if it gets me to Rolanberry Red. I will keep checking to see your results. If the 2 apples don't work, and you are able to move forward, I will probably try to get back to Royal Blue and feed a pear like you did. If neither of these work, I may change my chocobo back to it's original color and start over.

Starting Color - Salmon Pink
Target Color - Snow White

So far I've gone from Desert Yellow > Cream Yellow > Salmon Pink.

Using the chococ color simulator, I've concluded to try the following steps:

Color xN (RGB)

1. apple x2 (241, 165, 133)
2. pineapple x10 (255, 215, 83)
3. plum x12 (195, 255, 143)
4. valfruit x10 (245, 205, 193)
5. plum x1 (240, 210, 198)

Will post my results.


EDIT:
Going to play it safe and go through 2 phases. This feeding SHOULD land me on Bone White:

1. apple x2 (241, 165, 133)
2. pineapple x10 (255, 215, 83)
3. plum x12 (195, 255, 143)

Then I'll just need to give it the following in the 2nd feeding to go from Bone White --> Snow White

Valfruit x1
Plum x4

So I'm stuck in a loop from Regal Purple - Dalamud Red. Any suggestions on how to break out and get to Rolanberry Red?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2401813

My log so far.

so guys im trying to get soot black and im using this chart https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...661/vBZmlD.png everything went fine when my chocobo was rolanberry red i feed him berries to try to get midnight blue then to continue the path to soot black but the resulting color wasnt midnight blue it was regal purple im going to try to reverse it back to rolanberry red i only wrote the post to let you guys know and help you acquire more data for the chart :)https://www.dropbox.com/s/m4yx34y47x...90311.png?dl=0

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Originally Posted by Rorichan

So I'm stuck in a loop from Regal Purple - Dalamud Red. Any suggestions on how to break out and get to Rolanberry Red?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2401813

My log so far.

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According to this chart:

Dalamud Red --> Rolanberry Red requires O'ghomoro Berries.

Dalamud Red (127, 31, 31)
Rolanberry Red (95,41,47)

O'ghomoro Berries (-5, -5, 5) so feed it the berries until it gives you the "beginning to grow new feathers" message. You only want to see this message once to indicate a color change.

Regal Purple --> Rolanberry Red requires Apples. According to the simulator, you want to feed it about 5 apples.

Regal Purple (103, 55, 87)
Rolanberry Red (95,41,47)

Apple (5,-5,-5) so same thing with the berries, you want to give it the apples for the "beginning to grow new feathers" message. You want to see this message twice.

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Originally Posted by Niota

Using the chococ color simulator

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What is that simulator?

I've been trying to feed my Chocobo all kind of fruits all week only to switch between Pumpkin Orange, Sunset Orange and Blood Red over and over... I'm starting to think I may have to feed it multiple fruits at once.

So I followed the steps to get Abyssal Blue from the default Desert Yellow, and instead landed on Plum Purple.

Fed him 3 plums, ended with Slate Gray.
Fed him 2 Berries, went back to Plum Purple.
Fed him 3 more berries, turned Ceruleum Blue.
Fed him 2 more berries, now I'm GLOOM Purple.

Fed him 2 more berries, and he's changing again. According to the chart, I should finally get Abyssal Blue. We'll see.

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Originally Posted by Aurelie

I have been stuck in the same loop, Royal blue/Regal Purple. I decided to feed 1 more berries after getting the growing feathers message and see if that got me from Regal purple back to Royal Blue, and it did, so I am going to try feeding 2 apples and see if it gets me to Rolanberry Red. I will keep checking to see your results. If the 2 apples don't work, and you are able to move forward, I will probably try to get back to Royal Blue and feed a pear like you did. If neither of these work, I may change my chocobo back to it's original color and start over.

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After getting my chocobo back to Royal Blue again, fed it apples until it said growing feathers, then I gave it another apple. I was hoping that would move it on to Rolanberry Red, but it just went back to Regal Purple, so I gave it a lemon and I am starting all over again. :(

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Resulting Color:Grape Purple
Notes: FINGERS IN THE AIR, RNGESUS - STICK THAT IN YOUR STRAW AND SUC-I mean, I uh, w...woooo... Yes. Woo.

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LMAO Nice!, Congrats. I glad we got you there. It's victories like this that make all of this worth it.

I should be following behind you now for the most part. Trying to find Wine Red myself. I had to eat a lemon and start over again to get out of the loop.

Probably going to do Berries on Russet Brown. Whatever that lands me on, I'll probably fed apples and hope for Wine Red.

Just thought i would add my findings to the list.

Started at Russet Brown, fed it 1x Apple and got Chocolate Brown

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Originally Posted by Niota

snip

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That does not work, and you cannot depend on the chart when you get stuck in a loop. I was just in this loop, and finally just fed a lemon to get out.

Inside this loop "Dalamud Red --> Rolanberry Red requires O'ghomoro Berries. " does NOT work. Also "Regal Purple --> Rolanberry Red requires Apples", Neither Apples or Pineapple work.

Don't bring the simulator in here. It wasn't 5 apples. It was 1 Apple or 2 pineapple to get the new feather message, and they dump you back to Dalamud and Blood respectively, not Rolanberry.

Until someone figures out SE's RNG with this, there is absolutely no point to a simulator/calculator. It's no better than telling someone to fed the same number of different fruit and expect them to get the same color. Most of the time, it's not going to work.

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Originally Posted by Randelmire

What is that simulator?

I've been trying to feed my Chocobo all kind of fruits all week only to switch between Pumpkin Orange, Sunset Orange and Blood Red over and over... I'm starting to think I may have to feed it multiple fruits at once.

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Originally Posted by Chivon8

Just thought i would add my findings to the list.

Started at Russet Brown, fed it 1x Apple and got Chocolate Brown

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There you are with a real possible way now. Because thanks to Anonymoose, we know how to get to Russet Brown now.

I'm taking the gathered data and moving to my next step - Chocobo Color Map. It's not complete, but I'm getting there. I'm not sure how the google draw thing works with sharing but you are welcome to copy it to your own drive to play with it. Initially I think it looks small, but you have to zoom in for full size.

So this has probably been addressed, but it feels to me as though the "only the first feather proc" counts deal is false. I feel as though every fruit counts, but the message is only indicative that the fruit you just fed puts the RGB at a value that will be a different color from what your chocobo is. Which is why it is possible to get the "feather proc" message, and then not get it on some subsequent feed. Sometimes it takes a good deal of fruit because there are many RGB values that are not valid as colors, so it might take a while until you get to a valid one.

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Originally Posted by Ravenloft

LMAO Nice! Congrats.

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Thanks much!

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Originally Posted by Ravenloft

Trying to find Wine Red myself.

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I'll keep a close eye on the thread, then. The other member of the Moose clan is going for the same. In fact, I think I'll do a diet version of my changelog with her progress. In the event of a loop, know she's more likely to overfeed on one color and try to go around than reset, so if RNGesus gets involved again, we're like to get a long list of "Whassis dooo? Whassat dooo?"

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Originally Posted by Freakindon

it feels to me as though the "only the first feather proc" counts deal is false.

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To be more articulate about the "first feather proc" thing, we're pretty sure that every fruit can count, and most of them likely do. It's just that feeding a bunch of random fruit to see where you land doesn't give you a good idea about the what-affects-what-and-how, or help determine how much of a role RNG plays.

Some people report that once you get the first proc, feeding the same fruit seems to give you more even if it doesn't color-shift again. Feed it apples to one proc and you're almost[?] definitely headed for Millioncorn, but people have fed apples to four procs and still got to Millioncorn instead of skipping to blood red. Others report better results by switching fruits every time there's a proc, which they say increases confidence that it wasn't a "random repeat" kind of thing.

Right now, most of us aren't saying that only one-fruit one-proc counts, but that the results of not doing it that way are harder to understand or replicate. By doing it this way, we get a clearer picture of the full color-to-color map, as well as a better understanding of the change mechanics. I bet there are lots of ways to feed more than one fruit and proc at a time to leap ahead on (and even cut diagonally across) the map - but we're not sure yet how to do it with confidence or replication.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Steps one to six went as planned, but Russet Brown came out of nowhere and broke my little lalafell heart at step seven. Applying the theories we've developed so far, I was able to course correct it in two additional, nerve-racking steps.

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I am also confirming that I got Russet brown from Rolanberry Red from a single pear feeding which proc'd a growing new feather message.

After receiving so much input HERE. The RNG factor is pretty damn obvious. RNG causes you to; skip a step or two ahead, get a bust, land you on an 'uncommon' colour for that particular fruit.

It seems like most of the single-fruit-feeding results are becoming quite clear. Still, not every colour + fruit is mapped. By that I mean, colour x + all the results of the 6 fruits. For now, I'll just keep gathering the info and putting it into my sheet. Anyone who can make something more readable, or maybe even come up with a proper conclusion, feel free to use my sheet.

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Originally Posted by Snootles

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I think matters are further complicated by necessary anomalies in the "grid snap" system that chooses which dye range you've fallen into and the way the game shifts values after you've hit what should be 255 or 0. Look at, for instance, the progression from Desert Yellow to Blood Red using nothing but apples (theorized to be +R -G -B). That first step makes sense, but then what in the seven hells is going on with the rest of that?

Desert Yellow (216 175 80)
Millioncorn Yellow (226 152 46)
Pumpkin Orange (193 109 31)
Sunset Orange (178 85 39)
Blood Red (139 52 34)

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Originally Posted by Uttahutta

On my hunt for Ochu amd Hunter green I came across some single feather procs I have not seen listed or atleast not these paths.

atm I am not sure where it will be best to search for Ochu and Hunter so until I see other another way I think I will aim for deepwood and try lightening from that.

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On weekend I've finally managed to reach Hunter green on one of my Chocobos with a bit of "detour" (other one went straight to wanted Snow White without a hitch) and I have two of the colours on your list included in the path. I don't have the detailed notes here but if you're interrested I'll grab them once home and update this post tomorrow with detailed steps. Most of those are not even yet included in the coulour diagram here...

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Originally Posted by Freakindon

but it feels to me as though the "only the first feather proc" counts deal is false. I feel as though every fruit counts, but the message is only indicative that the fruit you just fed puts the RGB at a value that will be a different color from what your chocobo is. Which is why it is possible to get the "feather proc" message, and then not get it on some subsequent feed.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Right now, most of us aren't saying that only one-fruit one-proc counts, but that the results of not doing it that way are harder to understand or replicate. By doing it this way, we get a clearer picture of the full color-to-color map, as well as a better understanding of the change mechanics. I bet there are lots of ways to feed more than one fruit and proc at a time to leap ahead on (and even cut diagonally across) the map - but we're not sure yet how to do it with confidence or replication.

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Originally Posted by Snootles

After receiving so much input HERE. The RNG factor is pretty damn obvious. RNG causes you to; skip a step or two ahead, get a bust, land you on an 'uncommon' colour for that particular fruit.

It seems like most of the single-fruit-feeding results are becoming quite clear. Still, not every colour + fruit is mapped. By that I mean, colour x + all the results of the 6 fruits.

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NOTE: The conclusions derived is from applying the RGB code defined within my own spreadsheet.

The Givens:
1. The color mixing must follow the law of nature. IOW, if white+black = grey, SE cannot make it green in game. Hence if we mixing blue and red, expect purple.
2. Opposite mixes will do just that, opposite. Deepen red mixed with lighten red = wash, back to original tone.

My my own observations, I suggest the following on RNG:

To keep it fun, SE kept this in game, however, my personal observation is this is limited to the absolute value of 48. So, starting with a base R{103), we will only with colors that falls within the range of R(55) to R(151). Anything falls outside of that range will be considered invalid values. I will defined this RNG|48| from here on.

For an example, for Regal Purple R(103, 55 87), the possible RGB range is between (151, 103, 135) and (55, 7, 39)

Then from this (151, 103, 135) and (55, 7, 39) range, existing colors are choose to be the next possible color, based on the law of color mixing. This MAY help explain why some colors has more then one end result.

So, to answer some of the questions quoted:

1. The feather proc: The feather proc is always true. The question here isn't about if it is a valid indicator for the next color change. When you receive this message, your bird will change to a new color. What is unknown ATM is if we need feeding the bird more fruit after receiving this proc, what, if any, effects the fruits will have.

2+3: My personal believe here is due to the RNG|48| factor. Therefore, all the color calculation spreadsheets is inclusive because of it. As of now, we have only done controlled test of ONE fruit, and even that is giving us a lot of open cans of worms that we do not have clear answers on.

We do not know the behavior of the RNG|48|, is it doing it to every fruit, or the total value of all the fruits? Until we figure that out, we will always be in the dark. Different people feeding different combos of multiple fruits only makes matter worst, especially those recommending feeding multiple fruits in given quantities. There are no solid date to say a given fruit will give a fixed amount of effect, therefore, how can any quantity be given?

One experiment we need to start is feeding the birds same fruit in large qualities, and see if we can always achieve the same color scale jump.

Color scale jump experiment: It is known that we can go from Desert yellow -> millioncorn -> pumkin -> blood red. This was repeated via single feather proc in 4 stages and X amount of fruits. Can we attempt this via large feedings and conclude that by giving X-apples + RNG|48|, we can always result in blood red. (Say X = 30, result = X +/- 3)

My current experiment is feeding 2+1 all the time, and see if the RGB value will be close to my desired goal. If this comes out conclusive, it should show that the color mixing pattern is valid.

IMHO, until we move forward to the next step of color experiments, this can of worms will always be inclusive.

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Originally Posted by Niota

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Hi, I don't think you read my log post. That's EXACTLY what I did and it skips EVERY time. I give him 1 berry, get one feathers message, he goes to Regal Purple so then I give him 1 apple, get one feathers message, he skips to Dalamud Red. If I have to reset him and try again, it's going to be way to expensive.


I said in the beginning that the way they have come up with for dyeing our Chocobos is just silly and frustrating. I'm all for taking steps to get things done but throw RNG into this system is just downright stupid. *sigh*

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Originally Posted by Rorichan

I give him 1 berry, get one feathers message, he goes to Regal Purple so then I give him 1 apple, get one feathers message, he skips to Dalamud Red.

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I'm wondering if the fact that it took 18 berries to get there the first time messed with the other two values in a way that you'll skip over Rolanberry most times, if not every time. If you're open to a little gambling, I'd try starting at Regal Purple and using berries instead of apples, pushing you into something around Abyssal or Royal Blue-ish territory and breaking your loop. That way, you can use apples from there to push back into Rolanberry territory from a less volatile position. Berries from purple will inflate the blue value, but it'll drop again when you switch back to apples to bringing the red back up - and both steps will just plummet the green, which is theoretically what you want.

Dalamud Red (113 22 22) +Berries
Regal Purple (95 42 71) +Berries
Royal Blue (34 42 96) +Apples
Abyssal Blue (43 39 80) +Apples
Rolanberry Red (84 19 35) Profit?

Worst case scenario, you don't end up at Rolanberry, yet, but still end up well outside of your loop, yeah?

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Originally Posted by Niota

According to this chart:

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It might be better to refer people to the newer chart, which you can find here.
My own progress can be seen on this page (on the ChocoboDye tab).
I'm linking to google docs so that I can just give the same link each time without having to convert my chart for the forum.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Great suggestion here.

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I was thinking that the berries pushed him too far that time.. I may try your suggestion once my new fruit crop comes up and see if that doesn't get me where I want to go. Thank you though! :)