Would you like to see the current stat system revised or redone for FFXIV 2.0?

i would like to see numbers changed just by equiping something, example: if i equip a gear with 20 str i want to see how much attack power or damage is improved, if you hit for 50 if you equip that you can hit for 56 dmg, if you put some dex the accuracy stat says that you improve that stat by x number and your critical hit improves x number

I want to be able to see how much damage i can do with what, same for tanks healers and nukers, how much your defense is improved by adding vitality, etc

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Originally Posted by Elexia

You're already living in that era in XIV terms, especially if you happen to land on active server.

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Considering there are no accuracy caps to aim for, there's no "stack this much block+dodge+parry to become uncrittable", and the only caps I know of are primary stat caps (which even then are ambiguous), I'll disagree.

Or do you mean the part of accuracy being stupidly rare and expensive as such?

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Originally Posted by Churchill

Negative and likely outlook is that SE has learned nothing and feels the mystery stats and damage formulas is the way to go, stats will have little impact from gear making raids/loot acquisition irrelevant. Diminished returns, stat caps, damage caps in the name of balanced PVP is a terrible way to go.

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I hope this is not the case. I still don't know why SE has this thing against theorycrafters. I mean real theorycrafting with hard numbers, not wasting hours away killing lv0 Mandragora.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Or do you mean the part of accuracy being stupidly rare and expensive as such?

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I would hazard a guess that Elexia is speaking on how stupidly rare and expensive tangible amounts of raw +acc was.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Snurble here in your thread~! :p

I wanted to give you some details on what's being planned for stats in A Realm Reborn.

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With this, having 5 materia melded onto a single item won’t elicit as large of a difference like it does currently.

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If thats the case why not rework materia to focus not on stats but instead on statuses, traits, abilities, something like:

enhance second wind +5%
enhance cure +5%
enhance protect +5%
cure cast time -5%
potion effectiveness +5%

sort of like an equippable Merit points system (to use another 11 reference)

or open up materia to allowing us abilities:

Doublecast
Enspell or TP-Bleed effect on weapons
HP/MP absorb effect on weapons
Counter attack
Double attack

or materia to alter abilties:

jump [status] materia: jump adds poison, jump adds silence (crisis core ftw)

that would then justify at least carrying different sets of gear around for different circumstances, it would also put an end to being so concerned about pumping out 2 numbers in our attribute panel and instead concentrate on our playstyles

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Originally Posted by Churchill

My positive outlook on this is that it simply means we will have higher base stats, stats such that people will cap/be near cap stats for AH/Ifrit weapons while wearing AF or easily acquired gear.

In order to cap Garuda+, melds or raid gear will still be required, but in a lesser extent than before.

Negative and likely outlook is that SE has learned nothing and feels the mystery stats and damage formulas is the way to go, stats will have little impact from gear making raids/loot acquisition irrelevant. Diminished returns, stat caps, damage caps in the name of balanced PVP is a terrible way to go.

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Both of those outlooks I did not interpret from what the mod said. The way the stat formulas work now is that the closer to stat caps you get, your damage output increases at an increasing rate. The mod said in 2.0 stat will be 1:1 meaning that people who are at cap won't have such a massive damage output in comparison to those who aren't near stat cap. Instead, no matter how close to cap you are you will get the same boost for the a given amount of stats.

Gear will remain relevant, probably similar to how it was in FFXI except skill has a larger factor in this game. Also, diminished returns is the opposite of a 1:1 formula.

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Originally Posted by Altanas

If thats the case why not rework materia to focus not on stats but instead on statuses, traits, abilities, something like:

enhance second wind +5%
enhance cure +5%
enhance protect +5%
cure cast time -5%
potion effectiveness +5%

sort of like an equippable Merit points system (to use another 11 reference)

or open up materia to allowing us abilities:

Doublecast
Enspell or TP-Bleed effect on weapons
HP/MP absorb effect on weapons
Counter attack
Double attack

or materia to alter abilties:

jump [status] materia: jump adds poison, jump adds silence (crisis core ftw)

that would then justify at least carrying different sets of gear around for different circumstances, it would also put an end to being so concerned about pumping out 2 numbers in our attribute panel and instead concentrate on our playstyles

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...based-on-FFVII.

Would make game awesome IMO...

I believe stats like STR/ATK/CRT should be native to gear and materia should add stuff like what Altanas posted.

Refresh +3
Regen +4
Damage taken -5%
Cure Potency +4%
Double attack+3%
Store TP+2%
Occasionally absorbs HP
Chance to Inflict Poison/Paralysis/Curse when attacked.

And weapon/shield exclusive stuff like:

Adds Ice Elemental damage to attacks.
Chance to reflect 3% of damage taken.
Convert 3% of Damage blocked to MP.
Increase piercing damage.

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Originally Posted by Viritess

I agree i tend to like Stats that all around effect the class/job. I mean we allocate stats for each class as it is (battle/magic) All of those stats may aswell effect many different aspects of the class/job. Else the only reason to have your stats class exclusive is because 23/str won't help you as a BLM.

If a DRG's Dex helped Acc and Crit. Mind helped TP gen and Evasion/ M.evasion etc. Then you may be presented with some interesting choices.

And with a system like that, you may actually be able to put it some diminishing returns that are harsher, cause if you do cap STR gearing a bit more Dex would actually be more helpful. Adding some MND could be useful. It would certainly have us moving around alot more of our gear if all the stats added something "good" to the job/class we're stating for.

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I agree /10char

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Originally Posted by Isaaru

Both of those outlooks I did not interpret from what the mod said. The way the stat formulas work now is that the closer to stat caps you get, your damage output increases at an increasing rate. The mod said in 2.0 stat will be 1:1 meaning that people who are at cap won't have such a massive damage output in comparison to those who aren't near stat cap. Instead, no matter how close to cap you are you will get the same boost for the a given amount of stats.

Gear will remain relevant, probably similar to how it was in FFXI except skill has a larger factor in this game. Also, diminished returns is the opposite of a 1:1 formula.

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Nice to see someone gets what the Rep was trying to say. :)

Yay for reading comprehension! :D