Zepla: Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion I have played

People here have long shared in those opinions - about what they believe is currently going wrong with the game - beforehand. You need only read the forum before the video came up to find this out. It's not exactly hard to do just that. They're happy that she put this video out because she has much more reach than any single forum poster has and because she's expressing, at least in part, shared concerns. This idea that people are just agreeing with her because she said something, and not because they think she's saying something which they believe is true, is rather farcical, if I'm honest.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Why are people putting so much stock in the opinions of a clickbait content creator?
At the start of Endwalker it was "FFXIV is so good WoW is so bad" because that sold clicks and views, WoW was in a slump in their patch cycle and xiv had a new expansion. Now it's flipped so all the content creators are flipping it around about how they hate xiv now.
In a year they will make videos about how "Dawntrail did it, how I came back to XIV" and people will eat that slop up like crazy.

Sometimes I have to wonder with the posts on here if people are actually forming their own opinion or are just regurgitating what they hear a streamer say for views and clout.

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If you read the forum over the past month (at least since 6.3 release, that's when the mask fell off), the critics done in this video have been daily brought in the forum, but there was always people to say they were "haters" or "they were a vocal minority". Of course people "rally" behind someone whose words have far more weight than theirs when she says exactly what they've been saying for month. At this point, I wish people would admit that a significant part of the players share that feeling (I'm not saying it's a majority, but it's not a few vocal people anymore).

Most people that complain agree that 6.0 was good storywise, but since then we had all the patches, and we saw how it was since then. (Most of) New content is not bad, it just doesn't have longevity, and a lot of people that are there for the mmo experience feel something is wrong. I would even argue that the a lot of people complain because EW patch cycle suffers when compared... to ShB patch cycle. It's not even about comparing with other game, it's about comparing the game with its former self.

I think some of the people here who think too much negativity is a bad thing do need to watch the video linked and understand this very important point that Zepla made. The biggest danger to a game isn't criticism or negativity, it's apathy. If you're getting a lot of criticism or negative attention, it means people still care, but it's very easy for someone who no longer cares about the game to just stop one day and never come back.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Why are people putting so much stock in the opinions of a clickbait content creator?
At the start of Endwalker it was "FFXIV is so good WoW is so bad" because that sold clicks and views, WoW was in a slump in their patch cycle and xiv had a new expansion. Now it's flipped so all the content creators are flipping it around about how they hate xiv now.
In a year they will make videos about how "Dawntrail did it, how I came back to XIV" and people will eat that slop up like crazy.

Sometimes I have to wonder with the posts on here if people are actually forming their own opinion or are just regurgitating what they hear a streamer say for views and clout.

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Can I link you my chat logs on the forums complaining about this problem since 6.1 or is the idea we can agree with streamers while forming our opinions totally independent of them that foreign of a concept

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Originally Posted by CNitsah

If you read the forum over the past month (at least since 6.3 release, that's when the mask fell off), the critics done in this video have been daily brought in the forum, but there was always people to say they were "haters" or "they were a vocal minority". Of course people "rally" behind someone whose words have far more weight than theirs when she says exactly what they've been saying for month. At this point, I wish people would admit that a significant part of the players share that feeling (I'm not saying it's a majority, but it's not a few vocal people anymore).

Most people that complain agree that 6.0 was good storywise, but since then we had all the patches, and we saw how it was since then. (Most of) New content is not bad, it just doesn't have longevity, and a lot of people that are there for the mmo experience feel something is wrong. I would even argue that the a lot of people complain because EW patch cycle suffers when compared... to ShB patch cycle. It's not even about comparing with other game, it's about comparing the game with its former self.

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I prefer the Endwalker content that we've been getting, it's better and more plentiful than in Shadowbringers, but it has less arbitrary grinding, which is definitely a win-win.
Especially when there's such a backlog of content that new players can basically never catch up in side content, having the new side content no require you to spend hours a day grinding to cap this or grind out completions of this fate over and over is a net positive. Those things in MMOs just existed to artificially pad out the life of content, not necesarily make it better.
I'd rather have a patch that gives short, good content that lets me go back to older content like old extremes, savages, or even try out ultimates, than have new patches where if I miss grinding fates for that week I am not entirely behind everyone else and can't catch back up.

But apparently that's the minority, most people around the forums would rather have the game force them into a 4 hour a day grind for specific fates or CEs in a special zone to keep up with the rest of the players than be able to make their own fun by playing stuff they enjoy in the game.

"They're popular ergo they're wrong" is as braindead a take as "They're popular ergo they're right."

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Originally Posted by Remember_The_Name

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Oh man, what a way to enter a discussion. You go buddy...

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Speaking the truth? They litterally add in content just rigth after it has been published and even ending showing pictures of items in live, that you can't obtain on day one of release... no I am not going to simp over those so called streamers, they offer next to nothing, if you look over stuff that is.

Give us personalities like Maidy kind of did it, if anything.. as in right now it is self absorped pompous BS with the current ones.

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Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell

"They're popular ergo they're wrong" is as braindead a take as "They're popular ergo they're right."

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yeah man noone is immune

i love xeno and arthars to death but by god do they have some really bad takes sometimes

people still too focused on the who and not what theyre saying

or just too busy arguing w/ ren over whatever i havnt really paid attention the past 20 pages

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Why are people putting so much stock in the opinions of a clickbait content creator?
At the start of Endwalker it was "FFXIV is so good WoW is so bad" because that sold clicks and views, WoW was in a slump in their patch cycle and xiv had a new expansion. Now it's flipped so all the content creators are flipping it around about how they hate xiv now.
In a year they will make videos about how "Dawntrail did it, how I came back to XIV" and people will eat that slop up like crazy.

Sometimes I have to wonder with the posts on here if people are actually forming their own opinion or are just regurgitating what they hear a streamer say for views and clout.

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That isn't the case. I didn't intend to pull the 'I've been here longer than you...' card but, uh, yeah...I've been posting consistently around these parts for roughly a decade and I've seen a lot of posters here who are critical of the game consistently leave feedback long before some of FFXIV's content creators decided to speak out.

Many of the game's weaker elements are directly tied to the rather predictable approach to developing content, the increased time between content patches and the simple fact that as the game ages the amount of players who have completed the MSQ's increases. So now we have quite a lot of veteran players who are impacted quite drastically by the bizarre decision for Endwalker to have no equivalent to Bozja/Eureka or Ishgard reconstruction this time around.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

That isn't the case. I didn't intend to pull the 'I've been here longer than you...' card but, uh, yeah...I've been posting consistently around these parts for roughly a decade and I've seen a lot of posters here who are critical of the game consistently leave feedback long before some of FFXIV's content creators decided to speak out.

Many of the game's weaker elements are directly tied to the rather predictable approach to developing content, the increased time between content patches and the simple fact that as the game ages the amount of players who have completed the MSQ's increases. So now we have quite a lot of veteran players who are impacted quite drastically by the bizarre decision for Endwalker to have no equivalent to Bozja/Eureka or Ishgard reconstruction this time around.

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I think the problem is they thought we’d spend this time on our Islands instead, but Islands are isolating and not community activities for the most part. Also to me dull and uninteresting for an MMO compared to Bozja or reconstruction.

So I think they did try some experimental content, it just fell flat on its face for a lot of players.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Especially when there's such a backlog of content that new players can basically never catch up in side content, having the new side content no require you to spend hours a day grinding to cap this or grind out completions of this fate over and over is a net positive.

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There is the problem. I get the feeling. But what about those that don't have any backlog left? That's where the problem lie. it's mmo. Not too much grinding is good thing, but adding zero longevity content so newer players can catch up and old players can go fuck themselves is not a solution. You also have to keep those occupied.

Once again, I'll call to the Bozja/Zadnor example. It was not perfect, and but at least it kept you occupied, with objectives that won't really matter for newer players. New player that wanted to get up to date don't need to collect the 600m mettle points needed to get all the 3 medals to lvl 10. But that was an objective made to keep the older players occupied, along with getting the haircuts and mounts of the place. Some people might never get the mount. Big oof. And those were incentives that took a long time and were simple enough to get player invested (contrary to thing like deep dungeons, that have big entry barriers, making it "not worth it"). But they kept the player invested. That's the kind of incentive the game currently lacks.

It kinda pains me a game that, at one point in time, had for principle to not let the longtime player down (because they were there during the 1.0) doesnt care about long time players anymore, and don't give them anything to do.

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Originally Posted by CNitsah

There is the problem. I get the feeling. But what about those that don't have any backlog left? That's where the problem lie. it's mmo. Not too much grinding is good thing, but adding zero longevity content so newer players can catch up and old players can go fuck themselves is not a solution. You also have to keep those occupied.

Once again, I'll call to the Bozja/Zadnor example. It was not perfect, and but at least it kept you occupied, with objectives that won't really matter for newer players. New player that wanted to get up to date don't need to collect the 600m mettle points needed to get all the 3 medals to lvl 10. But that was an objective made to keep the older players occupied, along with getting the haircuts and mounts of the place. Some people might never get the mount. Big oof. And those were incentives that just were long, and they were simple enough to get player invested (contrary to thing like deep dungeons, that have big entry barriers, making it "not worth it"). But they kept the player invested. That's the kind of incentive the game currently lacks.

It kinda pains me a game that, at one point in time, had for principle to not let the longtime player down (because they were there during the 1.0) doesnt care about long time players anymore, and don't give them anything to do.

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I feel EW patches put too much dev time into solo activities that don’t have longevity like using NpCs for story dungeons and Islands. Adding NPCs to MsQ dungeons every patch is also probably a feature most vets will never even use. I haven’t. Even new players I can’t see using them more than once if that.

Many MMO players much prefer long-term engaging activities they can do with others. We didn’t really get that in EW.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

I think the problem is they thought we’d spend this time on our Islands instead, but Islands are isolating and not community activities for the most part. Also to me dull and uninteresting for an MMO compared to Bozja or reconstruction.

So I think they did try some experimental content, it just fell flat on its face for a lot of players.

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Yeah, it's the sort of content I'd like in theory but in practice it just...doesn't have enough meat on the bone. Too much time interacting with menus and then just waiting around to speak with the NPC again after a set time period.

Just some random ideas that spring to mind to improve it but...there could be treasure that washes up on the beach from time to time that contains gil, materia, potions, crafting resources and a chance for a mount or a minion.

There could be rare enemies to fight in the depths of the island's cave with similar rewards. Ghost and pirate ships prowling the nearby seas that can optionally be boarded.

Messages in a bottle could also wash up on shore, providing quests to go and find the NPC responsible for sending it as an avenue for interesting stories.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Why are people putting so much stock in the opinions of a clickbait content creator?
At the start of Endwalker it was "FFXIV is so good WoW is so bad" because that sold clicks and views, WoW was in a slump in their patch cycle and xiv had a new expansion. Now it's flipped so all the content creators are flipping it around about how they hate xiv now.
In a year they will make videos about how "Dawntrail did it, how I came back to XIV" and people will eat that slop up like crazy.

Sometimes I have to wonder with the posts on here if people are actually forming their own opinion or are just regurgitating what they hear a streamer say for views and clout.

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"I agree with this streamer, I think their video covers my point and my complaints very well"

"WHY DO YOU AGREE WITH THE STREAMER ?? BC THEY RE POPULAR HUH ? THEYRE JUST CLICKBAIT AND THEY MAKE MONEY OUT OF IT WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT THAT HUH?"

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

I prefer the Endwalker content that we've been getting, it's better and more plentiful than in Shadowbringers, but it has less arbitrary grinding, which is definitely a win-win.
Especially when there's such a backlog of content that new players can basically never catch up in side content, having the new side content no require you to spend hours a day grinding to cap this or grind out completions of this fate over and over is a net positive. Those things in MMOs just existed to artificially pad out the life of content, not necesarily make it better.
I'd rather have a patch that gives short, good content that lets me go back to older content like old extremes, savages, or even try out ultimates, than have new patches where if I miss grinding fates for that week I am not entirely behind everyone else and can't catch back up.

But apparently that's the minority, most people around the forums would rather have the game force them into a 4 hour a day grind for specific fates or CEs in a special zone to keep up with the rest of the players than be able to make their own fun by playing stuff they enjoy in the game.

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This just in person who started last year tells 10 year old veterans you can’t run out of backlog

More at 11

Well, all I can say is...

I'm having a lot of fun in Endwalker.

YMMV, of course.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

This just in person who started last year tells 10 year old veterans you can’t run out of backlog

More at 11

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That's not what I said, that's an entirely different sentence.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

That's not what I said, that's an entirely different sentence.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Especially when there's such a backlog of content that new players can basically never catch up in side content

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Yeah you totally didn’t say literally exactly that like 6 posts ago

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Yeah you totally didn’t say literally exactly that like 6 posts ago

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I think they were speaking about from a new player perspective. I don't think what they said is particularly that bad though to really dog on them for.

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Originally Posted by Bonoki

I think they were speaking about from a new player perspective. I don't think what they said is particularly that bad though to really dog on them for.

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That's actually what they said that though

They said you cant run out of backlog lol, and that even new players cant catch up.

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Originally Posted by Bonoki

I think they were speaking about from a new player perspective. I don't think what they said is particularly that bad though to really dog on them for.

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So the argument becomes “new people have such a backlog that existing players asking for more content in the game they actively pay for is bad/pointless”

Honestly that’s almost a worse argument

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Yeah you totally didn’t say literally exactly that like 6 posts ago

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I said that there is so much content in the backlog a NEW player can't catch up, which is exactly what causes all of those "is it worth it to play FFXIV in 20XX" posts you see all around. Joining an existing MMO where there's no hope of catching up on content and grinds feels bad, having to choose between current content and doing old content feels bad. I still haven't done eureka because it's a time sink that progresses nothing on the endwalker side while you're in there.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

I said that there is so much content in the backlog a NEW player can't catch up, which is exactly what causes all of those "is it worth it to play FFXIV in 20XX" posts you see all around. Joining an existing MMO where there's no hope of catching up on content and grinds feels bad, having to choose between current content and doing old content feels bad. I still haven't done eureka because it's a time sink that progresses nothing on the endwalker side while you're in there.

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That's on you if you havent done eureka, not on other people, there isnt that much content in FFXIV that you cant find the time to do eureka or even bozja.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

So the argument becomes “new people have such a backlog that existing players asking for more content in the game they actively pay for is bad/pointless”

Honestly that’s almost a worse argument

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That isn't the interpretation I got from what they said, but if that's what the rest of you are reading out of it then so be it.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

That's on you if you havent done eureka, not on other people, there isnt that much content in FFXIV that you cant find the time to do eureka or even bozja.

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Only if you're a vet. For casual or new players, there's a ton to do.

I've put in over 1,000+ hours on the steam version of FF14 and still have so much that I can do if I choose to.

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Originally Posted by Tanis_Ebonhart

Only if you're a vet. For casual or new players, there's a ton to do.

I've put in over 1,000+ hours on the steam version of FF14 and still have so much that I can do if I choose to.

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Once again, that's up to you to know what you prioritize, personally I loved Bozja, and I did Bozja and then later on did Eureka, it goes on both ways or any other way you want it to be depending on what you like, it's all about priorities, but you cant blame others for your own priorities

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Why are people putting so much stock in the opinions of a clickbait content creator?
At the start of Endwalker it was "FFXIV is so good WoW is so bad" because that sold clicks and views, WoW was in a slump in their patch cycle and xiv had a new expansion. Now it's flipped so all the content creators are flipping it around about how they hate xiv now.
In a year they will make videos about how "Dawntrail did it, how I came back to XIV" and people will eat that slop up like crazy.

Sometimes I have to wonder with the posts on here if people are actually forming their own opinion or are just regurgitating what they hear a streamer say for views and clout.

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But thinking for myself is hard and make my brain hurty!

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Originally Posted by Tanis_Ebonhart

Only if you're a vet. For casual or new players, there's a ton to do.

I've put in over 1,000+ hours on the steam version of FF14 and still have so much that I can do if I choose to.

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Good for you. I have over 6,000 hours on just my main. I log into the game and am bored. Not burned out, bored. I went through my backlog during the great drought of ShB. It's entirely possible to catch up, and if SE continues to put out the quality and quantity of content they have been putting out, you will catch up eventually and then be bored.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

HW didn’t have enough content. Nobody denies that, 3.1 is still the worst non legacy patch in the game despite the EW patches giving it a run for its money, gordias was hot garbage, diadem 1.0 and 2.0 were messy at best (280ilvl RNG weapons) downright annoying at worst (even for me who is probably field contents biggest fanboy)

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I don't know, back in Heavensward it felt like most people didn't have their jobs all maxed at 90 like they do now when I would analyze them. So there was something to do back then which was to level your other jobs through FATE farms or roulettes until POTD came out.

The relics were something to do as well, because they were more than just tomestones, with steps such as trials and light farming that were an actual social experience.

There were also more dungeons released, POTD was a new concept, we had the squadrons release, and all the standard content such as MSQ, trials, extremes, normal and savage raids. And we had an interesting change to the final alliance raid after it had been out a while.

I'd admit the patch lull before Stormblood was really empty though. I felt like I spent up to 9 months just reclearing savage and joining first-time clear parties for alex and coils, because the 1,200 poetics was great for the relics and so many people needed them clearing. I was also just too nice, constantly helping them out when I didn't need to.

But now you don't see as many parties to clear coils because it's easier to solo and you don't see them for alex because they added the normal raids roulette. Coils were also more fun in Heavensward because there was still a bit of danger remaining unlike now.

We also got Wondrous Tails then and although you just solo them now, back then it was a social experience and you actually needed to recruit in party finder to take out the ARR trials.

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but we do know is that the vast majority of the streamers agree with us and that speaks a lot considering their cumulative knowledge and pull in the community

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To be fair, a lot of streamers and content creators are veteran players and there is certainly a disparity between what veteran players think and what newer players think who still have a backlog of content to get through.

That isn't to say that veteran players' concerns don't have merit, but they do have to take into account how many players don't get paid to play the game all day and rush through all the content on day 1. I feel that many of them have taken this into account, particularly MrHappy, but there are going to be some that don't with how many content creators we have now.

So, question. From how people are talking about Eureka/Bozja, you make it sound like you've completed everything there is to do there. So all the relic weapons/armors for all jobs, all the items/mounts (included that awesome Fran bike!! so jealous)/etc (silly achievements aside if there are any). Is that true?

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

I feel EW patches put too much dev time into solo activities that don’t have longevity like using NpCs for story dungeons and Islands. Adding NPCs to MsQ dungeons every patch is also probably a feature most vets will never even use. I haven’t. Even new players I can’t see using them more than once if that.

Many MMO players much prefer long-term engaging activities they can do with others. We didn’t really get that in EW.

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Well it's part of a deliberate design decision to make it more single player-like/friendly, a key goal they outlined for the next 10 years of the game. People voiced concerns over this being revealed as a major aspiration and selling point of the MMO for the next 10 years for this precise reason. And while I don't think it would be a problem in and of itself, if there were other stuff going on and they made full use of it (e.g. using it to provide more fine-tuned segregation in difficulty), the fact that there isn't and that the resources allowed to them are so constrained worsens the situation.

There's a healthy balance to be struck where both new and veteran players can be appeased. As it stands, I very much get the impression that the game is slowly marching towards another 1.0 of lesser proportions due to taking veteran players for granted.

It's why I'd like Yoshi-P to sit down and devote some time specifically talking about what his plans are for veteran players rather than tell them to 'go play ultimate' or to 'take a break'.

He's devoting considerable time and effort into revamping large swathes of the game for the sake of new players. Which would be fine, ordinarily, if such future proofing didn't come at such a steep cost elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Well it's part of a deliberate design decision to make it more single player-like/friendly, a key goal they outlined for the next 10 years of the game. People voiced concerns over this being revealed as a major aspiration and selling point of the MMO for the next 10 years for this precise reason. And while I don't think it would be a problem in and of itself, if there were other stuff going on and they made full use of it (e.g. using it to provide more fine-tuned segregation in difficulty), the fact that there isn't and that the resources allowed to them are so constrained worsens the situation.

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I understand their desire to attract new players, and goal of attracting players who don't like playing with others so they can play this as a single player game.

But at some point when it feels like a lot of development time went into this, and not for content for actual MMO players and veterans who have supported this game all along, or for many years, I can't blame veterans for feeling slighted.

I do feel they chose this at the expense of veterans. I don't feel like they hired more people and this was just an extra. Because so much time went into this, I do feel there is less for ME to do as a veteran, and at the end of the day, I care mostly about whether I and people in my circle that I play with feel enjoyment. Not people who haven't played the 10 years the game has been out. Especially if they are solo-only and I'm unlikely to ever run into them.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I don't know, back in Heavensward it felt like most people didn't have their jobs all maxed at 90 like they do now when I would analyze them. So there was something to do back then which was to level your other jobs through FATE farms or roulettes until POTD came out.

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I think for HW this is true. Boost Potions didn't exist yet and we didn't have any super quick leveling methods until PotD.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

There's a healthy balance to be struck where both new and veteran players can be appeased. As it stands, I very much get the impression that the game is slowly marching towards another 1.0 of lesser proportions due to taking veteran players for granted.

It's why I'd like Yoshi-P to sit down and devote some time specifically talking about what his plans are for veteran players rather than tell them to 'go play ultimate' or to 'take a break'.

He's devoting considerable time and effort into revamping large swathes of the game for the sake of new players. Which would be fine, ordinarily, if such future proofing didn't come at such a steep cost elsewhere.

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Very well said. I agree

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

I understand their desire to attract new players, and goal of attracting players who don't like playing with others so they can play this as a single player game.

But at some point when it feels like a lot of development time went into this, and not for content for actual MMO players and veterans who have supported this game all along, or for many years, I can't blame veterans for feeling slighted.

I do feel they chose this at the expense of veterans. I don't feel like they hired more people and this was just an extra. Because so much time went into this, I do feel there is less for ME to do as a veteran, and at the end of the day, I care mostly about whether I and people in my circle that I play with feel enjoyment. Not people who haven't played the 10 years the game has been out. Especially if they are solo-only and I'm unlikely to ever run into them.

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I feel like they started focusing more on retaining new players with shadowbringers and double downed on developing for new players with endwalkers. Compared to arr-stormblood where they provided content for both veterans and new players.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Speaking the truth? They litterally add in content just rigth after it has been published and even ending showing pictures of items in live, that you can't obtain on day one of release... no I am not going to simp over those so called streamers, they offer next to nothing, if you look over stuff that is.

Give us personalities like Maidy kind of did it, if anything.. as in right now it is self absorped pompous BS with the current ones.

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You're the same person who couldn't even read my constructive criticism OP, you're take on our views is worthless

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Why are people putting so much stock in the opinions of a clickbait content creator?
At the start of Endwalker it was "FFXIV is so good WoW is so bad" because that sold clicks and views, WoW was in a slump in their patch cycle and xiv had a new expansion. Now it's flipped so all the content creators are flipping it around about how they hate xiv now.
In a year they will make videos about how "Dawntrail did it, how I came back to XIV" and people will eat that slop up like crazy.

Sometimes I have to wonder with the posts on here if people are actually forming their own opinion or are just regurgitating what they hear a streamer say for views and clout.

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Base Endwalker was fine, it's the patches that have been completely lacking. Most of us have formed our own views and opinion, it just happens that even the content creators are starting to gain the same views as us.

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Originally Posted by Tanis_Ebonhart

Only if you're a vet. For casual or new players, there's a ton to do.

I've put in over 1,000+ hours on the steam version of FF14 and still have so much that I can do if I choose to.

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Good for you lol

Veterans are a part of the playerbase whether you want them to be or not, if you don't release any content with lasting power mid-expansion you are going to have unhappy players.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

So, question. From how people are talking about Eureka/Bozja, you make it sound like you've completed everything there is to do there. So all the relic weapons/armors for all jobs, all the items/mounts (included that awesome Fran bike!! so jealous)/etc (silly achievements aside if there are any). Is that true?

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You can go back and get them whenever you want, and you don't need to play all jobs. You don't need to get all relics either just like you don't need to bash your head against a brick wall making thousands of collectibles. It's person by person.

Also, again, if you have to return to old content to get over a current expansion content lull, this only proves that content in endwalker is lacking with no longevity. So thank you guys for continuuing to prove our point.

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Originally Posted by Nebelheim

I feel like they started focusing more on retaining new players with shadowbringers and double downed on developing for new players with endwalkers. Compared to arr-stormblood where they provided content for both veterans and new players.

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It's kind of sad.

While I dislike clickbait titles, and was ready to immediately dismiss the video because of this, they are attention grabbing and I do think there are a lot of good points in the Zepla video. And whether it's deserved or not, I think the game devs do like Zepla and she does have a platform to hopefully reach them.

The more I thought about it and listened, the video is coming from a good place and the game won't succeed long term if it continues to ignore the playerbase who made the success of this game possible to begin with.

I already thought this game was new player friendly since the game is so easy for the most part.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

I understand their desire to attract new players, and goal of attracting players who don't like playing with others so they can play this as a single player game.

But at some point when it feels like a lot of development time went into this, and not for content for actual MMO players and veterans who have supported this game all along, or for many years, I can't blame veterans for feeling slighted.

I do feel they chose this at the expense of veterans. I don't feel like they hired more people and this was just an extra. Because so much time went into this, I do feel there is less for ME to do as a veteran, and at the end of the day, I care mostly about whether I and people in my circle that I play with feel enjoyment. Not people who haven't played the 10 years the game has been out. Especially if they are solo-only and I'm unlikely to ever run into them.

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I feel like they started focusing more on retaining new players with shadowbringers and double downed on developing for new players with endwalkers. Compared to arr-stormblood where they provided content for both veterans and new players.

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I can't help but wonder if they thought veterans would want a break after the 10 year journey to EW, so they focused on new players being able to catch up for the fresh new adventure in 7.0

A lousy explanation but one I could very well see the dev team expressing

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Originally Posted by Zairava

You can go back and get them whenever you want, and you don't need to play all jobs. You don't need to get all relics either just like you don't need to bash your head against a brick wall making thousands of collectibles. It's person by person.

Also, again, if you have to return to old content to get over a current expansion content lull, this only proves that content in endwalker is lacking with no longevity. So thank you guys for continuuing to prove our point.

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So that's a "No, I haven't done everything in the content that I'm currently complaining that we don't have". Well, at least you're being honest about having to have shiny new things instead of actual content to do (which you obviously have a lot of). So everyone saying "there is lots to do, you just don't want to do it" is right. So this argument of "no backlog for veteran players because we've done everything" is just nonsense.

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It's kind of sad.

While I dislike clickbait titles, and was ready to immediately dismiss the video because of this, they are attention grabbing and I do think there are a lot of good points in the Zepla video. And whether it's deserved or not, I think the game devs do like Zepla and she does have a platform to hopefully reach them.

The more I thought about it and listened, the video is coming from a good place and the game won't succeed long term if it continues to ignore the playerbase who made the success of this game possible to begin with.

I already thought this game was new player friendly since the game is so easy for the most part.

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I agree i think zepla does seem to still care a lot about the game and seems genuine with her love for it and her criticisms and it seemed to hurt her for feeling she needed a break from a game she played since heavansward. And her point on the game starting to feel like a single player game and focusing too much on the hyper casual side could be just as detrimental to the game as what wow did on the extreme end of hardcore. They need a balance of casual and hardcore and focus on both ends not on the extreme end of casualization.