Viera Race "Confirmed" for 5.0! Are you gonna change races?

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Originally Posted by Trixie_Strider

And what's up with everyone getting all butthurt with my comment lol. Im just saying that nobody, well almost close to nobody, friggin cares about Male Vieras
That can also be said about this "cute viera bs"

Man get that bs outta my face. I'll take the fran look. Case and point, thank you!

Have a nice day!

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Is that why so much of this thread is people discussing male viera? Because nobody cares? Or maybe YOU don't care and you're failing to understand that other people care about things you don't? Nobody's taking your precious Fran viera away from you by talking about dudes. Stop projecting onto everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Trixie_Strider

Im just saying that nobody, well almost close to nobody, friggin cares about Male Vieras

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Evidently the people in this thread do, some of them specifically, but I'm just here because I'm interested in the discussion about what future designs might go into the game.

And regardless of what Viera "should" or "shouldn't" be, I would find it quite strange for them to only introduce one gender of a gendered race. Humans and human-like races - and rabbits, for that matter - come in male and female forms.

And some people just like picking rare and unusual character designs, myself included. (Yes, I realise the irony of saying this with a female Midlander avatar, but I have alts.)

I'd be inclined to pick a male Viera exactly because the "normal image" of the race is female.

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Originally Posted by Trixie_Strider

You're the one saying BS, how about you cry more hmm?

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you may project all you like but doesn't change the fact you are wrong about what people want.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

But that particular concept art is pretty much a Viera kid. It's not too far off from the Miqo'te children in design, which are confirmed to be children.

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We were outright told during the LL that showed that concept that it was one of the designs they considered for viera. That would have been the race, not just children.

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Originally Posted by Trixie_Strider

And what's up with everyone getting all butthurt with my comment lol. Im just saying that nobody, well almost close to nobody, friggin cares about Male Vieras
That can also be said about this "cute viera bs"

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"I cannot comprehend that people want things that I do not want so instead of trying to understand why I will instead lash out in confusion".

Please return when your reading comprehension exceeds of that of a child.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Galka are exclusively male and reproduce by some sort of reincarnation :3

Apparently the wiki says they're male, I was always under the impression they were genderless but eh either way lol.

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The game never goes into explicit detail, naturally, but all Galka are referred to as "he" and some form romantic pairings with female characters (most notably, Raogrimm). Given that NONE of the races "evolved" in any sense of the word (they all sprung fully-formed from the tears of Altana), it's entirely possible that Galka came into being as males, even if there's no good reason for them to be male.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Evidently the people in this thread do, some of them specifically, but I'm just here because I'm interested in the discussion about what future designs might go into the game.

And regardless of what Viera "should" or "shouldn't" be, I would find it quite strange for them to only introduce one gender of a gendered race. Humans and human-like races - and rabbits, for that matter - come in male and female forms.

And some people just like picking rare and unusual character designs, myself included. (Yes, I realise the irony of saying this with a female Midlander avatar, but I have alts.)

I'd be inclined to pick a male Viera exactly because the "normal image" of the race is female.

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Isn't gender locking races/ classes also one of the most universally hated design decisions in MMOs for playerbases? A lot of people cited it as a reason for leaving TERA, when new classes started being cutesy-young-girl only. Not that I really think it holds any major weight for the FFXIV design team regarding the Viera's implementation, but they've been refreshingly egalitarian in that regard, including some outfits. Just based on their history, I'd be surprise it was locked despite the lore because it would seemingly contradict what they've already established thus far. Personally I'm more-so holding out for Fran style buns rather than whether males would be present, but I would think it's dumb if it ends up being that way. One thing I really appreciate about FFXIV is the cat bois. You just don't see it anywhere else.

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Originally Posted by Dreamsoap

Isn't gender locking races/ classes also one of the most universally hated design decisions in MMOs for playerbases? A lot of people cited it as a reason for leaving TERA, when new classes started being cutesy-young-girl only. Not that I really think it holds any major weight for the FFXIV design team regarding the Viera's implementation, but they've been refreshingly egalitarian in that regard, including some outfits. Just based on their history, I'd be surprise it was locked despite the lore because it would seemingly contradict what they've already established thus far. Personally I'm more-so holding out for Fran style buns rather than whether males would be present, but I would think it's dumb if it ends up being that way. One thing I really appreciate about FFXIV is the cat bois. You just don't see it anywhere else.

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Being able to play as a cat boy was one of the main reasons I started playing. Everywhere I looked in the MMO landscape there were gender locked races, race locked classes/jobs (???), all male options being bulky and hypermasculine... and then there was XIV. I'm not sure why it's so rare for an MMO to offer all possibilities on a single character, but here we are. Gender locking a race at this point would be incredibly boneheaded of SE so I don't believe all the doom and gloom about getting male buns. Whether or not there will be a cute option is another story.

It is a real shame there is a lack of femmeboy options in this game. I feel like with Male Au Ra they added another large male type so they should add a skinnier and smaller one this time around imo.

I'm only disappointed we aren't actually getting viera but hyurs with bun ears, viera have long lanky kong arms and long fingernails and animal feet, Fran didn't, she uses the same MALE hands as everyone else and her arms are shorter than in XII, and I'm not expecting the playable ones to be any different.

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Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

I'm only disappointed we aren't actually getting viera but hyurs with bun ears, viera have long lanky kong arms and long fingernails and animal feet, Fran didn't, she uses the same MALE hands as everyone else and her arms are shorter than in XII, and I'm not expecting the playable ones to be any different.

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Fran's model is, with the exception of her hair and possibly her face, ripped from XII. Her animations were cobbled together from the female miqo'te and midlander skeletons. She doesn't represent the final product any more than ARR!Yugiri did.

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Originally Posted by Maerdhina

Oi, get the silly idea of male Viera outta yer head. Please SE, no more disgusting ideas like female Roes, lalafails or male Miqotes.. Male Vieras would be gigantic error imo.

Anyway regardless of what SE implements, I'll stay a kitten cuz kittens (female miqo'tes) are master race.

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The first part of your post is what is disgusting.

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Originally Posted by Maerdhina

Oi, get the silly idea of male Viera outta yer head. Please SE, no more disgusting ideas like female Roes, lalafails or male Miqotes.. Male Vieras would be gigantic error imo.

Anyway regardless of what SE implements, I'll stay a kitten cuz kittens (female miqo'tes) are master race.

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I hope male Viera have a larger butt than the female ones just to spite you.

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Originally Posted by KokonoeAiyoko

I hope male Viera have a larger butt than the female ones just to spite you.

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Normally I'd prefer to keep the female Viera behinds intact, but I would gladly make an exception for the person you responded to.

gd this thread is still going??

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Originally Posted by stormygabe

God damn this thread is still going??

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The posts keep coming like baby rabbits.

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Originally Posted by Aster_E

The posts keep coming like baby rabbits.

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I suppose it's a preview of things to come!

Energizer bunny thread.

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Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

I'm only disappointed we aren't actually getting viera but hyurs with bun ears, viera have long lanky kong arms and long fingernails and animal feet, Fran didn't, she uses the same MALE hands as everyone else and her arms are shorter than in XII, and I'm not expecting the playable ones to be any different.

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"Male hands"? What makes them male? Not having long fingernails? That isn't male, that's sensible for someone who's off on adventures and getting into battles all the time.


(Granted, the rest of Fran's outfit isn't exactly sensible, but that's a different issue....)

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Originally Posted by Iscah

"Male hands"? What makes them male? Not having long fingernails? That isn't male, that's sensible for someone who's off on adventures and getting into battles all the time.


(Granted, the rest of Fran's outfit isn't exactly sensible, but that's a different issue....)

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To be fair, viera had really long hands in XII, even ignoring the claws/nails/whatever. Whether that's a design decision(it's super inconsistent for Fran between games and merch) or a stopgap to make her work with the placeholder skeleton they patched together is unknown.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20130625234920

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Originally Posted by Iscah

"Male hands"? What makes them male? Not having long fingernails? That isn't male, that's sensible for someone who's off on adventures and getting into battles all the time.


(Granted, the rest of Fran's outfit isn't exactly sensible, but that's a different issue....)

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Male and female characters share the same 3d model for their hands, feet are different but they literally have the same hands.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

What makes them male?

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Have you looked at them?

Depends on how the implement it. I really hope it's:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20070325003033

((Yes Please!)) Because we have an abundance of overly tall races. Most of them Eye sores (Looking at you human types), and while I do like the Au Ra, I always end up changing back because I hate being a damn bean pole.

Edit: Yes, I know these are Moogles. They, as well share the Bugs Bunny look :P

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Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

Male and female characters share the same 3d model for their hands, feet are different but they literally have the same hands.

Have you looked at them?

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Not at Fran specifically, but if it's all the same model, I'm looking at screenshots of my female Midlander now and she has... hands. Four fingers, one thumb, fingernails on the ends.

And they look prettymuch the same as my own definitely female ones.

So again, what makes them male hands and not generic human ones?

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Originally Posted by Kopuno

Depends on how the implement it. I really hope it's:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20070325003033

((Yes Please!)) Because we have an abundance of overly tall races. Most of them Eye sores (Looking at you human types), and while I do like the Au Ra, I always end up changing back because I hate being a damn bean pole.

Edit: Yes, I know these are Moogles. They, as well share the Bugs Bunny look :P

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SE Please! This would be best surprise announcement for me. Give us ff12 moogles.

I can't wait to see visuals of Vieras in FFXIV, this and the Dancer job, I am agonizing with the wait

So ya'll think Viera are coming out when Shadowbringers is released? I read an article talking about the matter and they made a speculation that Viera would come out this summer.

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Originally Posted by Trixie_Strider

So ya'll think Viera are coming out when Shadowbringers is released? I read an article talking about the matter and they made a speculation that Viera would come out this summer.

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Yoshida announced a new playable race, alluding to his Bugs Bunny shirt. He also said there may or may not be a character coming in 4.5's Ivalice story that has something to do with this new race. This was back in November. It is rather painful on the levels of shit being obvious, so it goes far and beyond speculation, without needing to stretch anything like Spiderman shirt -> Sam Raimi -> Samurai. *cough*

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Originally Posted by Trixie_Strider

So ya'll think Viera are coming out when Shadowbringers is released? I read an article talking about the matter and they made a speculation that Viera would come out this summer.

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As far as I know, Shadowbringers is coming out in northern-hemisphere summer.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

As far as I know, Shadowbringers is coming out in northern-hemisphere summer.

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That would be correct, more than likely. I can't imagine it going an extra six months.

Why change races for another human looking fetish race? Its not like there is lack there

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Originally Posted by Kaitoo

Why change races for another human looking fetish race? Its not like there is lack there

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Variety is the spice of life.

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Originally Posted by Kaitoo

Why change races for another human looking fetish race? Its not like there is lack there

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You all need to wake up if this is too human for you.

They are NOT going to make a beastmen race. They have made that clear. You're not getting yourself a wolf head or a beak. Now if anything that has 2 arms and 2 legs and stands upright with a flat face is too human for your liking then no new race will ever be different enough for you.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

You all need to wake up if this is too human for you.

They are NOT going to make a beastmen race. They have made that clear. You're not getting yourself a wolf head or a beak. Now if anything that has 2 arms and 2 legs and stands upright with a flat face is too human for your liking then no new race will ever be different enough for you.

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you sound really mad and make some wild assumption just because i answered ops question

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Originally Posted by Kaitoo

you sound really mad and make some wild assumption just because i answered ops question

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If you check how Lupin ended up as "beastman" tribe then I'd also not prefer anything that doesnt have an human skeleton.
Their fur texture is just bad, the face shape would be awful to customize. Hairstyles? Well could look interesting but we already have clipping issues and Im pretty sure stuffing a wolf head into level 30 tin armor would end up looking stupid af.

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

Im pretty sure stuffing a wolf head into level 30 tin armor would end up looking stupid af.

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Are you implying that the Lv30 tin armour doesn't look stupid in other situations...?


(But yeah, I doubt they'd let that happen.)

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

If you check how Lupin ended up as "beastman" tribe then I'd also not prefer anything that doesnt have an human skeleton.
Their fur texture is just bad, the face shape would be awful to customize. Hairstyles? Well could look interesting but we already have clipping issues and Im pretty sure stuffing a wolf head into level 30 tin armor would end up looking stupid af.

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ok? you know other mmos exist beside ffxiv right? They manage also put up races that are not basiacly 3 flavours of cat girls. I dont know why the other guy even latched on "beast" without me mentioning it and you also.

As much as I love Ivalice I am going to remain a Roe. Especially if Dancer is in the expansion. I can't wait for my party to be 3 catgirls followed by a hulking Roe in spandex boogying and shimmying through the dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Kaitoo

ok? you know other mmos exist beside ffxiv right? They manage also put up races that are not basiacly 3 flavours of cat girls. I dont know why the other guy even latched on "beast" without me mentioning it and you also.

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Those races are also the least played by a huge margin and have a ton of clipping issues on any armor that's not specifically made for them.

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Originally Posted by Kaitoo

ok? you know other mmos exist beside ffxiv right? They manage also put up races that are not basiacly 3 flavours of cat girls. I dont know why the other guy even latched on "beast" without me mentioning it and you also.

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The thing about FFXIV, though, is that the main storyline clearly features a division between the player races and the beastman races. If a non-human race is added, either the entire storyline needs to be rewritten for them, or some other explanation needs to be added as to why this particular non-human race doesn't count as "beastman".

This is the primary reason why it is very doubtful that we'll ever have a player race that truly looks inhuman. We'll get tall humans, burly humans, childlike humans, humans with a few animal bits on, but always, always humans.

Other MMOs don't have this problem, because they DON'T have humans vs inhumans as a primary storyline driver - or, at least, when they do, they design it that way from the ground up and make it a primary gameplay feature with two separate storylines (such as human faction vs orc faction in WoW).

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Originally Posted by Daralii

Those races are also the least played by a huge margin and have a ton of clipping issues on any armor that's not specifically made for them.

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WoW's primary "ugly, but not too ugly" races are fairly well played - for being ugly :D.

https://i.imgur.com/h9knQDB.png

It's definitely true pretty races get played more but imo SE has no really ugly (maybe it should be "different" than ugly but yeah..) / beast. Roe may vaguely pass that, but imo not at least in comparison to what I think of as such when thinking of other games (so.. maybe some people think we do already). I thought Au Ra might be that from concept art but I don't think so from what is currently available.

Anyway while I agree pretty, cute, standard = more popular I feel that the argument isn't as good in preventing ugly/beast at the moment because there is either only 1 or 0 (0 imo) races that meet that standard -meaning there is currently a void for one type of description and many for the other (the cute race population is going to share space with Viera when it comes out).