We're just not important enough my dude. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Quote:
Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI
but yes I would like au ra or highlander top on my miqote so
Request to unlock Hempen set styles
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03-23-2017, 07:48 AMKorihu
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03-23-2017, 07:51 AMThirdChild_ZKI
Last I checked, $15 is $15, whether the person raids, PvPs, or afks all day. I'm happy for the subject matter at hand, but that doesn't mean I've forgotten, or will let go of the issue, especially in light of how wildly different these matters of player requests have been handled.
That said, let's continue this discussion in the PvP section, so as not to shift the topic here. I'll repost the quote there. -
03-23-2017, 08:02 AMZojha
Mhm, I find that great news :3
Can't wait to exchange the miqo'te style with the femroe style in the glams that use it. -
03-23-2017, 08:06 AMNewmanxenoOh yes! Midlander top on my highlander, hallelujah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luxpheras
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03-23-2017, 09:42 AMDeedsie
I'd really like to try rocking that roe bottom for my elfy. Here's to hoping they avail that.
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03-23-2017, 10:33 AMbisoneyland
This would be a great idea even if they are different items. I dont mind buying all of them.
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03-23-2017, 10:34 AMCyrilLucifer
Ugh. Can we have some other race specific sets instead, then?
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03-23-2017, 01:18 PMFawkesThank you very much! :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Luxpheras
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03-23-2017, 02:08 PMTaranTatsuuchiWell, all I can say now is...Quote:
Originally Posted by Luxpheras
I'm looking forward to it! -
03-23-2017, 07:45 PMCelefWell here it's "just" about glamour, no big deal and not a huge impact on other players.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI
Maybe they are affraid of how the pvp tchat would be used ? had some harassment issues on other games because of that (but I did not really take a look at that pvp tchat issue so might be wrong ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)
Very glad about that ! -
03-23-2017, 08:05 PMAngelyLowell
Very happy with the news!! I can't wait for this >.<
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03-23-2017, 08:31 PMWildsprite
really happy to see this! hope the update for it is soon, though I'm still wanting them to unlock the tailcoat(eternal bond groom) sets
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03-23-2017, 08:34 PMSerilda
Good news. More clothes means more combinations.
And the gowns too, right? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wildsprite
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03-23-2017, 10:47 PMThirdChild_ZKIPopular thought is that it was done to curb player harassment, but it hasn't done that. It actually compounded the problem beyond what it once was (and it was rather minute).Quote:
Originally Posted by Celef
It has caused several problems for newer players that can't ask questions about things they don't know, and veteran players who can't communicate with their team or answer those questions.
It's been a pretty hot topic since the day it was announced, and we got no response until 3 months later, after they made the change despite massive negative feedback.
40 pages into the thread about it, full of suggestions and alternatives, a post was made by a community rep, asking for more suggestions; the biggest of which ended up still being ignored til now.
I encourage you to take a look over in the PvP section at the thread with the incredibly high number of views. This problem could certainly use a bit more exposure. -
03-23-2017, 11:11 PMLukhaMe too! I've been waiting forever to wear that beautiful wedding gown, but it's still locked to female-only for some reason DX. I hope SE fixes it soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wildsprite
(I'm not even joking, I'd wear that dress if I could, it's stunning. And my male Miqo'te would probably look cuter in it than his femroe wife did, anyway.) -
03-23-2017, 11:14 PMIromi
Would be nice if this happens, opens a lot more glamour options ^^
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03-23-2017, 11:16 PMFaliandraQuote:
Originally Posted by Lukha
sorry, but no. If you wanna wear a dress designed for females, play a female char. This is not a dragqueen game. -
03-23-2017, 11:20 PMSerildaThen the girls should not have the tailcoat. Well, that was a very short debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Faliandra
(At least we have the fierceness of the Void Ark healing set to fall back on - I look as though I'm about to walk right up the aisle whenever I put that on ;P)
Edit: Incidentally, you do realise the irony of posting that kind of remark in a thread about wearing another race's underwear when you have previously said this? Careful, your double standards are showing! -
03-23-2017, 11:27 PMLexiaWell there always the skirt from Void Ark if play healer or caster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukha
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03-23-2017, 11:27 PMDeus_ex_Machina
Brace yourselves... A screen shot flood of female characters in Highlander Hempen Set incoming!!!
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03-24-2017, 12:22 AMYuzukiHibiya
I say let our characters be more unique and unlock all!!!! I'd love to wear the Lala top on my Hyur with the Au Ra shorts! DEVS I APPROVE!!!
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03-24-2017, 01:09 AMSerildaWe've debated this to death but most people would have been perfectly ok with a more 'masculine' set like an equivalently sexy male-only bear costume or male-only puppy suit. Whatever. I would be fine with whatever they came up with so long as it was intended to be playful and sexy like the bunny suits are for girls. Some people specifically wanted the ears for Easter-themed roleplay or other lighthearted fun and as rabbit ears are fundamentally nothing to do with gender (male rabbits do, in fact, have ears) it is bizarre that these items would have been locked even if the problem of the fishnets and bustier required further debate. However, the core problem is we got neither and girls got (two) bunny suits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Faliandra
The next step of the problem is that if S-E spent two years designing a male-only bear suit and released it for us, there would be endless requests for it to be unlocked for female characters anyway (like, for example, the tailcoat request). So it's just easier to ask them to stop annoying half the audience each time and give everyone everything, especially since the current solution is always to annoy the same half of that audience each time instead of spreading the misery around. Continuing on with my example, given that there is close to zero effort involved in making the bunny ears (and bear/puppy/whatever ears) available to both genders since we all have similar heads, why not just do it?
The same goes for the caster/ranged GARO headpieces. The actual gendered GARO hats are unlocked for everyone. Why are butterflies girl-only and eyepatches boy-only? It makes no sense. I accept that the coats and skirts are locked as they are trying to replicate a certain look there, but the hats? It's an unnecessary reduction of potential fun.
We can already make perfectly incredibly fetishised glamours out of the things we have, so most arguments based on narrow cultural views carried over from the real world inherently make no sense.
At the end of the day, I'm perfectly happy with women having the tailcoat but if it comes at the cost of my character having even less stuff in comparison, I'm going to speak out against it. It's not fair. -
03-24-2017, 01:15 AMKosmos992kI guess my kilt should be mothballed and put into storage then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Faliandra
As much as I complain - and I DO complain - about crappy unisex metal armor with fake abs and forcing female figures into male looking armor, it's really wrong to throw in things like 'dragqueen game'. I mean yes, male characters who want to dress as females probably would be better off fantasia into a female in many circumstances. But on the other hand, we should not get so worked up over styles of dress such as males wearing something that is conventionally thought of as a dress. There are plenty of garments worn by males in human society that if you looked at them fit the description skirts, dresses and blouses. For example, the full regalia worn by men in Scotland to a more traditional wedding includes a pleated plaid skirt, lace-ruffle blouse, hose and a fitted jacket.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...d481d6da9a.jpg
(P.S. don't call him a girl....)
Look at India with the various male outfits featuring Kurtas;
http://www.indianfashiontrend.com/im...Embroidery.jpg
Bedouin men in North Africa...
http://www.uaestylemagazine.com/wp-c...08/Bedouin.jpg
Let's not forget Japan...
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...9d57aa6b6e.jpg
Now, yes, I get what you're saying, you would not expect men to be wearing outfits like those shown below (except for Ritsuko's one - far right);
http://www.cosplayisland.co.uk/files...1334791622.jpg
But it's not too far of a leap from the traditional outfits I posted examples of, to things that would immediately strike people as traditionally female. Take each of those outfits the men are wearing above, and recolor with Pink and various pastel tones, it's amazing what a change in color can do to how an outfit is perceived.
In the end, it comes down to cultural norms and how far you can stretch them before some people become uneasy because what they are seeing is too far from their own cultural norms. However, if the men's wear I posted above was made in a nice shade of rose pink, you' have to accept that it's the same outfit, but a different color. I can't imagine anyone getting bent out of shape by color selection for clothing. So if we accept the rose pink looks, what if there are a few bows and a flower as well? That kilt outfit that Sean Connery is wearing would be an interesting look in pink, and a pink rose with heather for his lapel.
Now, I agree that players with male characters who want to wear a maid dress for example, would probably be better off using a fantasia to go female if they prefer female clothing. But it's not really as cut and dried as you say, and it's only my opinion, which should not matter at all in terms of another player's selection of clothes or gender. And of course, neither should yours, so why be so confrontational about the matter?
One more thought, should we start referring to female characters in male clothing as "drag kings"? For the love of the Twelve I hope not. I bet we don't hear many female characters being told to fantasia back to male to wear male clothing - because it's ridiculous. It's just as ridiculous whichever way round you play it. -
03-24-2017, 01:28 AMFaliandraYou know, I feel our opinions on this arent too far off tbh, maybe I did come across more bigoted than I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kosmos992k
I am very well aware of many different cultural dresses, so there was really no need to show me those pictures, really lol
They are essentially gowns for males. And I would never think of a samurai gown as girlish, for example.
Well, scottish kilts certainly arent my favorite, but I still completely respect this as a cultural way to dress, it is VERY specific though
and only gets worn in specific way....but knowing people here, they would mix and match it in an inappropriate way I no longer
can justify as a cultural way to dress.
My personal eyesore is when people exactly try to do THIS to a male character:
http://www.cosplayisland.co.uk/files...1334791622.jpg
Yes, it feels like they wanna dress up their male characters to look extremely girly...and I only stepped in here when they suggested
to unlock a FEMALE WEDDING GOWN. This is like a prime example of a VERY specific VERY special woman's attire and is on the same level
as that anime picture.
It does NOT fit the game, its bad enough as it is. It's a mood breaker. Game Immersion is the key word there. That's why im confrontational about it.
I do not RP, but I care about the game environment and I like to keep an MMORPG world classy to a specific extent. This exceeds it by far.
edit: definition of dragqueen:
"A drag queen is a person, usually male, who dresses in drag and often acts with exaggerated femininity and in feminine gender roles."
a man wearing a wedding gown is exactly that. Calling something by its name is not an insult, its a fact...but Political Correctness is making us feel bad about it, which is BS.
And yes, if a female dressed excessively male, you can call them drag kings.
But currently, the game hardly allows this, which is fine. It shouldnt. Same goes for overly girlish males. Play a female if you like it so much. -
03-24-2017, 01:37 AMKosmos992kOK, I do agree that wedding gowns in particular are really specific to females. I completely understand where you are coming from. But it's not something I'm prepared to be confrontational over. On the other hand you mention a mood breaker and game immersion. Tanks with a snowman head and beachwear are not breaking immersion? I'm sure you would agree that they are. I would suggest that they are far more immersion breaking than a male character wearing a traditionally female outfit since you can rationalize that the character is having gender issues and is exploring their female side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Faliandra
BTW, my best man at my wedding was dressed in exactly the same traditional Scottish wedding outfit that I was wearing all the way down to the Sgian-dubh worn in the hose. Of course, *she* looked wonderful in the outfit, as did her husband (also in the same gear), my wife wore a traditional wedding gown. No one questioned the choice of my best friend to be my best 'man' despite her gender, and no one questioned her dressing in the traditionally male outfit. It wasn't immersion breaking for the guests. I guess I just feel that this is one of those things that really isn't going to benefit from vigorous debate. -
03-24-2017, 01:39 AMSerildaRight, but the game already has multiple dresses which would work for a wedding, and they're not only wearable by males, they are often the only option for males at that particular level of content. The Void Ark gown. The Swansgrace set. The WHM/AST AF2 (AST's was specifically designed to look womanly, while the legs on the WHM set alone would make many real-world brides green with envy). We got a cute dyeable glamour miniskirt in a patch last year. Your immersion is already at breaking point if you're in denial at all of this skirt potential open to male characters, so at what point did it suddenly lurch over into unreasonable territory to insinuate that if female characters wanted to get their hands on yet another piece of relatively masculine gear, I'd expect some basic reciprocation? Nobody is forcing you to come to my server and look at me against your will. If you want things classy, maybe we should also block female Miqo'te from running around in bikinis and force everyone to dress in lore-appropriate ways at all times?Quote:
Originally Posted by Faliandra
At least you're consistent in that you don't want girls to have anything either ^^; -
03-24-2017, 01:39 AMGororo
Ehh, funny how someone really mentions that his/her/whatever's sexual orientation has nothing to do with the urge of wearing female wedding dress as a male when it's all about that.
And before you start some "hate speech", just so you know I've personally been working a lot in RL with LGBT community, and have loads of friends from there, and never met any guy who would like to wear dresses.
Yes, sometimes they make fun by wearing high heels and acting overly feminine way, ofc it has nothing to do with this game, but personally I don't want to see male characters running around with female dresses and turning this game into a "drag race"
And it doesn't have anything to do with if someone is gay or not, it's just something I don't wanna see, and I bet there's a lot of people like me out there, and because of that SE needs to listen to me and likeminded people who are against unlocking gender locks.
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03-24-2017, 01:44 AMSerildaIt's really not. But you know, maybe the reason that your 'LGBT friends' (or even your straight friends, because clothes and sexuality aren't the exact same thing!) don't tell you if they want to wear dresses because you are so vocal about how other people need to hold back on harmless activities in order to avoid upsetting you. But this issue has nothing to do with sexual orientation or real-life gender. Seriously. You're reading into it all on your own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gororo
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03-24-2017, 01:48 AMKosmos992kI'm hereby claiming the rights to the following phrase specifically when printed on posters, t-shirts and bumper stickers;Quote:
Originally Posted by Serilda
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03-24-2017, 01:50 AMGororo
I don't mind those skirts or gowns that were pictured on last page at all, They are completely different thing than guy wearing some princess dress with tiaras.
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03-24-2017, 01:58 AMNaunet1. It's not your place to tell people what they can and can't wear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gororo
2. This is a video game. The characters are not real.
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03-24-2017, 02:04 AMFaliandraQuote:
Originally Posted by Kosmos992k
Yes, you are absolutely right. I do NOT appreciate snowman heads, pig outfits and other similarly silly looking glams.
And no, a guy wearing a wedding gown is just as immersion breaking as a snowman head. Absolutely no difference to me.
Having gender issues is assumingly far from enjoyable (I can only assume) and I bet its not easy, but it has no place in this game.
Again,youre bringing up RL situations. Why? I already stated that Game and IRL are two separate matters to me.
Stating that it shouldnt have room in the game doesnt outrule it in RL. For all I care,you could let guys wear wedding gowns in a SIMS game (cos its in a modern setting and well, single player, so whatever)
But it's a mood breaker in a typical fantasy MMORPG.
Stating that there already IS such mood-breaking gear does not justify adding more to it. TBH, I feel like the only reason we are in this state is solely to SE being lazy to create more gender-based gear sets and not becauseQuote:
Originally Posted by Serilda
they want all guys to run around in dresses.
Every other game I've played so far had separate models for male and female characters.
You could tell they were the same set because of the overall style and colors, but they were more catered to the designated gender.
I'm not too fond of pure bikini sets, but as long as its girls wearing them and not guys it's not really too concerning.
It is just as much of our right to state our opinion as much as it is for others. Debating means you will have both opinions, pro and con.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naunet
Technically, by the same argument, its not anyone's place to come here and ask for female stuff to be unlocked for males, because SE
decided to limit it to female-only. Now if someone requests to unlock it to males, i have the same right to request to NOT do that.
Simple.
The game and characters are not real, exactly. No need to go through dangerous and complicated sex-change surgeries.
Drink a fantasia and change your character to a female if you wanna wear specific female gear. -
03-24-2017, 02:13 AMGororo
I think I have the same right to say my opinion as anyone, and if I don't want to see guys wearing princess dresses and tiaras in my game on characters that aren't real, I'm gonna point it out as all I can see is loud people wanting to remove gender lock so they could compete who is the cutest princess at Costa del Sol piers...
And as you might have noticed, I don't agree with that at all, and I'm pretty sure that I'm not alone with my opinion and most of the people who share my view might stay quiet cause they never stumble across to forums.
Otherwise, I completely agree with opening racial gear locks and would like to try mixing those around. -
03-24-2017, 02:14 AMLukhaThere certainly are. Our did you miss the post I was replying to, asking for the Groom's Tailcoat set to be unlocked for females?Quote:
Originally Posted by Faliandra
And the game itself has massive double standards when it comes to glamour, albeit ones that make no sesnse, given that male characters can wear a lot of dresses and otherwise feminine gear already, but are inexplicably locked from equiping certain items. I can wear a full, floor-length skirt, and as a white mage one of my PvP sets is actually a ballgown, but apparently all the Weavers in Ul'Dah can't figure out how to alter a wedding dress to fit me?
And that's not even touching on the double standard of the mass of female only items that still have no male only equivalents! And one of the recent interviews made it sound like the ONE concession we've won, the male bunny suit, is being delayed to prioritize other content. Not okay, especially since we've had a couple rounds of fresh gear models since then.
I'd never call names, as it's classless and not conducive to rational discussion, but, well...Quote:
make me look like the idiot because I am opposed to your wish about wearing wedding gowns, and you obviously cant handle it.
People always jump to this and I'm not sure why. I mean, is it really so hard to believe that I, as an almost totally straightQuote:
It's really interesting how the LGBT community
(I mean, if Merlwyb wanted a go, I'd at least consider it...)female, just want to dress my catboy in cute outfits without running into arbitrary restrictions and model differences? I wonder what assumptions youmake about people who dress their catgirls or Au Ra in cute clothes are LGBT.
I mean, I'm sure some of the people who want more equal glamour options ARE, but try to remember why it's bad to ASSuME things in the future.
I'll have to come back to this point later, I'm laughing too hard to type...Quote:
so damn entitled
So your solution is to punish the group with more, and bring them down, rather than actually fix the problem and bring everyone UP to the same level? I mean, it's a tactic that has only made things worse when applied in real world politics, but I guess it's vaguely possible it could have a different result here?Quote:
PS: Remove.... [snip]
Also, you seem confused, because the post I replied to was asking for the male-locked wedding items to be unlocked for females; no one ever mentioned the Best Man set (though in all fairness, the Bridesmaid set ought to be unlocked as well, especially since we've already had a male NPC wear it!).
In the real world, you would be correct. In Eorzea, males regularly dress in ways we would consider incredibly feminine, and no one batts an eye. Just look at some of the artifact gear. The progenitor of the White Mages was A MALE Padjal, and yet our job-specific gear is some of the most fabulously girly in the game. Your argument, therfore, fails to hold water.Quote:
way more acceptable on woman than a dress on guys.
Don't make me get my collection of screenshots with my character dressed like a woman. Despite what you may think, it's not actually a mode of glamour I normally enjoy, so neither of us will enjoy the experience. I'll do it if I have to, though. -
03-24-2017, 02:26 AMNaunetWhat other people dress their characters with is none of your business. Don't want your guy character to wear a dress? Put him in pants. Problem over. Other players have zero obligation to conform to your "needs".Quote:
Originally Posted by Gororo
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03-24-2017, 02:31 AMFaliandraQuote:
Originally Posted by Lukha
If I wanted to, I could also go through the effort to search for single quotes and compose them into a single post
and refer to each quote with a matching answer. But seeing how you ALSO are obviously one of those people
who specifically look into tearing my arguments apart without looking at them as a WHOLE and in regards to what people
have said BEFORE, its really not worth my time and effort.
thequote just proved that perfectly.Quote:
"PS: Remove......[snip]"
I am against unlocking the gown for males. When i said that I was told tailcoat was already unlocked for men (I assumed he meant the best man's attire by that,because obviously, the actual groom's attire isnt unlocked)
Hence my reply why I wouldnt care if it was removed. I said "remove it for all I care". It doesnt actually mean that I DEMAND it to be removed, just that I wouldnt care if it was.
But sure, keep putting words into my mouth, break them apart from context to bend my words so you can use them against me.
and LOL at trying to justify unlocking Bridesmaid dress for males because HILDIBRAND wore it in a CUTSCENE which was STORY-related and for the LOLs.
You read into my lines however you can make it fit to make me look like im full of bigotry and double standards when I'm not.
The hypocrisy is real. All I see here is a VERY vocal bitter minority....
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03-24-2017, 02:32 AMGororoSo I need to conform to your need of playing a princess when I don't want to see something like that? I think not, and my character does wear pants, or shorts depending on class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naunet
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03-24-2017, 02:53 AMSerildaThis isn't a typical fantasy MMORPG. There's an NPC with a gigantic pig head. NPCs walk around in their underwear in every major city and nobody cares. We have Santa suits and idol outfits and Yokai Watch weapons. You can ride a flying tortoise. We allow girls to wear extremely modern fetish bunny suits. The actual racial distribution between players completely contradicts the lore. You would have to close your eyes all the time to pretend that you're in a realistic medieval fantasy kingdom; that's part of the appeal in the first place for a lot of players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Faliandra
But what if I don't like tall men to wear shorts?! We're at an impasse since our (completely unreasonable) preferences about how people on different servers look are contradictory. Shorts should only be worn by Lalafell and male Miqo'te under a certain height! Or maybe we could just get on with our lives and not waste time trying to be the local fashion police?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gororo
It's particularly strange as the original point was just that locking and unlocking should be fair. How you got so caught up in defending your bizarre need to dictate what other people do is lost on me. -
03-24-2017, 02:53 AMKnahliYoshi said he plans to address this personally in an upcoming letter and the addition of extra chat command was a helpful amendment until then.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI
I don't understand why you're going off on a tangent. You're right, this IS a game. So if something spoils the mood/aesthetic for anyone else then they are well within their right to use that as their reason for not supporting an idea. Unless there was an earlier post that wasn't quoted, then I have seen nothing thus far that even fringed upon the idea that Gororo was pressing his "needs" or impressions on anyone else like it was inherently more important. He could be a crusader for free expression of this sort of thing irl but it doesn't mean he automatically has to want to see it in-game if it doesn't suit his preferences. It feels like lines are being crossed between what is ethical in the real world and what is ethical in a game. People don't have to like something to be tolerant of it and I see no reason why something which spoils the fun/mood of person A should be given any less credibility than something which enhances the fun/mood of person B.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naunet
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03-24-2017, 03:21 AMNaunetBased on his posts, I highly doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knahli
Back on topic, this kind of debate hinges on a really faulty argument though. "I don't like X, so no one should be able to do X!" is on a completely different level from, "I like X, so please let us do X!" One group wants to restrict people's enjoyment of a video game; the other group simply wants the option to do something they see as fun in the video game. They are not equivalent arguments.