Request to unlock Hempen set styles

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Originally Posted by Anzaman

Soon we'll just watch how Tataru will.. (3.5 spoilers)

..make us race and gender specific outfit. And we can watch how forums explode. :p

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I wonder when we'll get it. the start of 4.0 perhaps?

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Originally Posted by MistyMew

Also would prefer glamour choices tied/saved to job not item of gear , so "shared" caster gear for example or shared tanking gear can be glamoured uniquely per job while the base set is the same.

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Same here but IIRC they already adressed that issue, saying that considering how the glam system was developped it's not possible to do so.
Yoshida did noit say they would never do it but that it would require a lot of time and $ to do so :/

This thread will end with all catboys wearing the highlander hempen.

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Originally Posted by Sterre

The reason why I'm against removing any race restrictions is that this game doesn't offer any race specific content, only "content" that offers some unique traits to the races (other than the obvious physical differences) are hairstyles, hempen sets and starter gear.

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You know, maybe that's because the restrictions shouldn't exist in the first place? Imagine that, huh? If they've yet to introduce more race gear at this point, its very clearly intentional that they've yet to do so again. It's a losing battle either way, so the best way to address it is to remove the restrictions entirely as less people are supportive of restrictions than those who want them removed. You're not going to win in this argument, nor will anyone who shares your view. Perpetuating a problem by championing racial restrictions onto an MMO with a heavy appearance customization aspect; wherein people can LITERALLY change their race at their will, is idiocy at its finest.

It is unreasonable, as it goes against the norm. There is no black and white for this issue; no pun intended I'm referring to literal pigments and using an idiom that is not a reference to race. There's a massive swathe of gear that isn't locked and there is a very small, almost minute amount that is. It's time they make a decision and stick with it, and people like you don't help the situation by insisting that they persist in leaving pointless racial differentiation intact when the game has no place for it be it in narrative or presentation.

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Originally Posted by Aniya_Estlihn

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Although I'm in full support of unlocking the sets, she has every right to her opinion here.

Even if you don't agree.

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Originally Posted by Arutan

This thread will end with all catboys wearing the highlander hempen.

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I'm just looking forward to wearing it on my Roegadyn. :D

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Originally Posted by Aniya_Estlihn

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Just because someone doesn't share your opinion about something, doesn't make their opinion worthless. Everyone views things differently, so just because something is pointless to you, it doesn't mean it's pointless to everyone.
People have been able to keep the conversation rather civilized so far, so there's no need to get hostile.

I'm not gonna repeat the reasons why I think the hempen sets should stay race specific as I believe I have made my point rather clear already.
However, you yourself said the amount of race locked gear is very small. That, in my opinion, supports the reasons to keep the gear locked as people are not asking for more race specific gear, we just want to preserve the few ones we have now.

Also, no one knows who is gonna "win" this argument. It's up to the DEVs to decide what they will do, and people will have to live with whatever that decision will be.

I don't really understand why anything needs to be race or gender or job or any other specific tbh. In RL I'm not a policeman yet I can wear any gender version of the uniform if I want. I'm from England not Wales but nothing stops me from wearing there national dress should I wish.
Things don't make you special you know You make you special.

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Originally Posted by Aniya_Estlihn

You know, maybe that's because the restrictions shouldn't exist in the first place?

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Alas, but they do.

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Imagine that, huh?

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Technically, you should be the one doing the imagining since what you want doesn't actually exist in reality yet.

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If they've yet to introduce more race gear at this point, its very clearly intentional that they've yet to do so again.

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H-how do you know that? GCs were virtually untouched from 2.0 to 3.4. Whose to say they won't introduce more race gear in the future?

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It's a losing battle either way, so the best way to address it is to remove the restrictions entirely as less people are supportive of restrictions than those who want them removed. You're not going to win in this argument, nor will anyone who shares your view.

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If only that was up to you to decide. Thankfully, the developers asked for feedback from both camps. If they just wanted an answer based simple on votes, they could've looked at the first few pages of this thread and be done with it.

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Perpetuating a problem by championing racial restrictions onto an MMO with a heavy appearance customization aspect; wherein people can LITERALLY change their race at their will, is idiocy at its finest.

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You should insult people more. It makes others take you seriously.

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It is unreasonable, as it goes against the norm. There is no black and white for this issue; no pun intended I'm referring to literal pigments and using an idiom that is not a reference to race.

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Wait...if this issue isn't black or white, why are you acting like you have the high ground? This whole thing is one big mess of gray. No one is right, no one is wrong. Everyone just has the own opinion on the matter.

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There's a massive swathe of gear that isn't locked and there is a very small, almost minute amount that is. It's time they make a decision and stick with it,

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Well, considering they've introduced more locked gear (locked to sex, not race), I would say their decision is pretty clear.

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and people like you don't help the situation by insisting that they persist in leaving pointless racial differentiation intact when the game has no place for it be it in narrative or presentation.

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Oooooh. Okay, I see now. When you said, "make a decision" you actually meant "make the decision that I agree with." Cool, gotcha.

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Originally Posted by Aniya_Estlihn

You know, maybe that's because the restrictions shouldn't exist in the first place? Imagine that, huh? If they've yet to introduce more race gear at this point, its very clearly intentional that they've yet to do so again. It's a losing battle either way, so the best way to address it is to remove the restrictions entirely as less people are supportive of restrictions than those who want them removed. You're not going to win in this argument, nor will anyone who shares your view. Perpetuating a problem by championing racial restrictions onto an MMO with a heavy appearance customization aspect; wherein people can LITERALLY change their race at their will, is idiocy at its finest.

It is unreasonable, as it goes against the norm. There is no black and white for this issue; no pun intended I'm referring to literal pigments and using an idiom that is not a reference to race. There's a massive swathe of gear that isn't locked and there is a very small, almost minute amount that is. It's time they make a decision and stick with it, and people like you don't help the situation by insisting that they persist in leaving pointless racial differentiation intact when the game has no place for it be it in narrative or presentation.

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What exactly is so wrong about a little diversity? Why can we not have items that are locked to a group/ race because for them it has cultural significance? Yes the idea that my Highlander hempen gear is a important cultural item is silly and moronic... however it's also the Only thing we have not usable to all. As of right now only one item is racial locked to each race in terms of appearance. Is that fair, is that ok that no one can be unique? You make a choice when you made your character, your representation in the story of this game, some choose to make eye candy in strings and want access to everything so their dolls have every option in bikini's. I chose the characters that were conquerors, after having been defeated now are made to suffer as outcast, vagabonds, and refugees. Request like this undermine my personal hope that we see more gear made exclusive to races (sub races as well, A Midlander male and Highlander male should not look like the shop at the same outfitter), something worthy of cultural significance.

Restrictions are ok, not having access everything is to be expected and for some adds story to their characters. Continuing this kind of mentality just means less incentive for the art team keep trying tp make anything uniqe, why bother when everyone wants to share the same underwear?

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Originally Posted by Alacran

What exactly is so wrong about a little diversity? Why can we not have items that are locked to a group/ race because for them it has cultural significance? Yes the idea that my Highlander hempen gear is a important cultural item is silly and moronic... however it's also the Only thing we have not usable to all. As of right now only one item is racial locked to each race in terms of appearance. Is that fair, is that ok that no one can be unique? You make a choice when you made your character, your representation in the story of this game, some choose to make eye candy in strings and want access to everything so their dolls have every option in bikini's. I chose the characters that were conquerors, after having been defeated now are made to suffer as outcast, vagabonds, and refugees. Request like this undermine my personal hope that we see more gear made exclusive to races (sub races as well, A Midlander male and Highlander male should not look like the shop at the same outfitter), something worthy of cultural significance.

Restrictions are ok, not having access everything is to be expected and for some adds story to their characters. Continuing this kind of mentality just means less incentive for the art team keep trying tp make anything uniqe, why bother when everyone wants to share the same underwear?

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But you aren't actually encouraging diversity by keeping them race restricted. If every race could use every hemp style there's a great deal more potential in glamour diversity since more people can use them. The same can be said for the racial starter sets. Everyone isn't going to use the same hemp style, whereas right now they have no choice but to use the same one (within their race). More options equals more diversity. You're not really talking about diversity... you're talking about exclusivity.

Would the people who feel strongly about their racial uniqueness be ok with the unlocked versions being awarded after a quest with some lore about that race? Because that would be sort of awesome.

(Good luck writing a lore quest about my Elezen long johns, though...)

I don't see the current lock as increasing diversity at all. Some of the hempen sets are popular and often seen (e.g. Miqo'te female, Highlander female). Some are pretty great. Others are less great and nobody equips them; for some unpopular race/gender combinations I'm not sure I've ever seen some of the hempen gear at all. I really don't mind anyone else having access to my Elezen stuff even though I use the top quite often; the more the merrier!

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Originally Posted by Alacran

What exactly is so wrong about a little diversity? Why can we not have items that are locked to a group/ race because for them it has cultural significance? Yes the idea that my Highlander hempen gear is a important cultural item is silly and moronic... however it's also the Only thing we have not usable to all.

Restrictions are ok, not having access everything is to be expected and for some adds story to their characters. Continuing this kind of mentality just means less incentive for the art team keep trying tp make anything uniqe, why bother when everyone wants to share the same underwear?

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Diversity and Exclusivity are two things that you are getting VERY confused with one another.

This is not a manner of racial diversity, this is not a matter of a lore-related piece of clothing or equipment—these are throw away sets that are either crafted undyed, or bought form a vendor that come in a default yellow dye and retain the same item icon, yet consist of different graphics depending on your race.

This is two items that have the same icon for all races, that have no racial restrictions on the item icon or description, that include no lore basis as to why they exist that somehow has six different appearances per gender, for a total of twelve different appearances for the same item.

Furthermore, the idea that there needs to be more exclusive gear is uneducated and lacks any form of common sense or reasonable thought put into it. You say that it gives the developers no incentive to create unique gear if everything is universal, but just look at how long they've said it takes for them to make ONE set that is usable by all races. Months, not weeks, not days, months. The Male Bunny suit has been in development for almost two patches now, that's half of a blasted year.

Compound that by adding more racial exclusivity wherein they not only have to make gear that is tailored to all races and model it for each, but also new models and textures for pointlessly exclusive gear that shouldn't exist in the first place for each and that takes up even more resources to create than just refitting an existing piece of gear for the other races or creating a piece that everyone can wear.

Exclusivity is a waste of time.

Diversity comes from how you use the things given to you, not from the things that are exclusive to you. Racial diversity in a digital world is unimportant unless there is an emphasis on it, of which there currently is not, and I hope to God there never will be as it will only justify more ridiculous comments like your own and compound the situation further.

This mindset that somehow either solution will lead to less creativity is simply false and lacks any real thought being applied to the situation at hand. It's time people like you stop with these kinds of comments and actually make an effort to discuss why these items need to be locked rather than just pulling a reason out of a magical hat and tossing it to the wolves, because there is no justifiable reason that anyone can give for these sets to be exclusive.

Furthermore, have you actually SEEN some of the sets?

Female Au ra look like they should only be wearing their set in a bedroom, while Miqo'te get something that could easily pass as; and often is seen in modern society and as a very popular glamour items, as a casual outfit— not dissimilar when compared to work out clothes if you will. I'd also like to point out that the designs further false stereotypes of the races as well; stereotypes that are implied rather than outright spoken, which is also another problem with them being exclusive. As many of these designs being exclusive gives this false idea that these are cultural norms for these races, when for all intent and purposes they likely just designed them that way because they wanted to.

There is absolutely no reason for them to be locked, try as you might to argue it, but you can't. That's why many of the arguments in this thread have died out whenever they are in favor of keeping the gear locked, because no one can substantiate that view without being completely blown out of the water by someone who tries to put even an inkling of thought into their responses.

This is not a topic of equality, exclusivity, equity, race or even entitlement— this is an argument for providing us with more diversity and allowing us the right to make our characters look different than some pre-concieved stereotyped gear allows us to currently be, and if that's wrong I most certainly do not want to be right.

Edit: Massive Disclaimer after someone on the previous page accused me of insulting people—
I am in no way insulting anyone here, nor is that my intent.

Saying an opinion is "Uneducated" is not attacking the person who has it, as opinions do not define a person as opinions can be shaped, reformed and changed over time. An opinion can be referred to or classified by any number of colorful adjectives one might direct at it; much any any object or subject is subjected to the same, but the holder of said opinion could very well be that of an alumni just with a bad sense of reasoning on one subject. That does not mean one is uneducated.

Referring to a comment and saying it is ridiculous does not mean I think you are meant to be a subject of ridicule, but rather your comments are worthy of scrutiny, and again...
That is not an attack on a person, but rather someone disagreeing with something you said and believe "that" statement is silly/false/stupid or otherwise. I don't know anyone who defines themselves with a single statement, and I do sincerely hope that people here realize that they can be criticized for a stupid statement without actually being called "Stupid."

Just like:
Accusing someone of idiocy is not the same as calling someone an idiot.
You can act like an idiot without being one, it's all in the context; which which some have clearly failed to understand or ever attempt to read into properly.

With my colorful language, I am hoping that people will 'try' to substantiate their opinions and that some meaningful discussion that the developers can ACTUALLY use will be on display for them to actually consider rather than this roundabout of conflicting opinions wherein no one is willing to question the others.


If you want my simple opinion that falls in line with the theme of this thread, here it is:
This is an MMO and cross-cultural relations are normal. We can buy gear from the Vath and Vanu that are based off of their actual physical appearances and no one bats and an eye despite them: 1) not being playable and 2) being a different race from our player character If that is not a problem, then nor should unlocking a generic set of gear's varied appearances for all players to use freely as they see fit.

Well, you are still going to play with your favorite race on your main. The only think that's going to change is that you are going to be able to wear other races outfits too. Just make one way to censored the female highlander hempens on Lalas to prevent against the pedophilics ones.

I don't think the female Highlander one will look any worse on female Lalafell than it would (hypothetically) on male ones since the erm, flatness, will reduce its provocativeness. We survived the bikinis on Lalafell, we will be ok with this.

Unlocking also opens up roleplay potential, like you could have someone who will strictly only wear their racial underwear for personal reasons or someone who was raised in the 'wrong' clan could deliberately pick the underwear they find most fits their identity (e.g. several NPC examples of adoption, and what does The Mongrel wear?)

As opposed to forcing everyone to be the same.

I have an idea. Kind of like a compromise. A way for everyone to get the glamours while at the same time, making race very important as well as culture(kinda)

How about turning the Hempen sets into items that can only be crafted by that race, and that gender of the creator? These items will then only be tradeable BUT market prohibited.

Example: to get the female Miqo'te set, you would need a female Miqo'te to create the set and trade it to you. However she can't make the male Miqo'te set. You need a male Miqo'te for that.

This would make race absolutely important to what is easily accessible to you while still being able to have a chance at all other sets some how. The Spread of racial gear would be in the hands of the races themselves so they could either spread it, or not. Perhaps they could sell it(cringing at the thought.. those prices), or you could just have a friend to make it free.

The more rare races(like Roegadyn) will have great importance. Because unless everyone fantasias to Roe to make Roe gear, Roe female hempen would be the rarest set. That should make all Roe female players feel even more special.

Maybe a friendly Elezen lady is in a happy mood and is selling 50 sets.

And again, those who wish not to spread their "culture" with their friends just won't have to. And if no one is selling or willing to give them one.. well tough luck.

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This makes sense and falls in line with how the Beast Tribe gears sets are handled. Sharing of culture is not a bad thing, and is already shown to be a norm in Eorzea as a whole.
Thank you for this post, as you've given me hope that maybe others will see fit to actually contribute ideas and discussion similar to this.

These are the kinds of responses I've been hoping to see while lurking in this thread. The lack of things that are similar to this kind of suggestion is why I've even resorted to colorful metaphors and using seemingly insinuative and insulting language, because no one has been willing to pose ideas like this that could actually be of use to the development team in any form or fashion and I've been hoping that my combative attitude would lead to people calling me out with a possibility of them maybe at least offering a form of compromise or spurring some sort of discussion that goes beyond the mundane and predictable. I've been tired of the running in a circle mindset that everyone has taken on and was hoping to see come collaborative effort to come up with a solution for what is perceived as a problem; albeit a problem that has been a source of contention among many inside and outside the forums.

Discussion, feedback, suggestions and compromises, that's what we should be providing them.
Simple one liners or watered down discussions as to why they should or shouldn't be locked are unproductive and provide no real information past the general idea of "We want/don't want this", which I can tell you having been in administrative and development positions in the past, is worthless feedback that provides little to no information.

They asked for feedback and suggestions, but all people have been doing is giving their opinions and not providing anything meaningful or worthy of merit.
So I am thrilled to see responses like this.

Female Roegadyn gear would be completely unavailable on my server :s

It's a really nice idea though, I like it. Give the people with rare combinations a little boost (and potentially a nice moneymaking hobby) while everyone gets the chance to wear more clothes.

We could even expand upon the idea of them not being available for trade to people who are not on your friends list, that way the idea of "cultural exchange" is very much kept in tact for those who wish it to be.

This would lead to less cases of people simply scalping the prices to take advantage of others, and actually give reason for us even having a friend's list, making use of a feature that has very few practical uses outside of quick way to send a tell or to find them. (We know we all do so from time to time)

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Originally Posted by Aniya_Estlihn

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Again, insulting other party just because they have different opinion from you is rude and pointless, no matter how you try to justify it. And yes, calling someone's opinion ridiculous and uneducated is insulting. Learn to debate without insulting others, or don't do it at all. There's way more polite ways to voice your opinion and getting your point through. Usually, if you're making a good point, you don't need to reinforce your statements with insults. Your behaviour towards people who disagree with you is hostile, and, in my opinion, not very mature.

Also, it's not up to you decide what opinions are useful and contributing to the conversation, everyone see things differently and that's why people have different reasonings for and against this topic. The best we can do is to respect everyone's opinions and suggestions, even if you don't agree with them, and wait and see what DEVs will decide.

Thank you and good day o/

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Originally Posted by Sterre

The reason why I'm against removing any race restrictions is that this game doesn't offer any race specific content, only "content" that offers some unique traits to the races (other than the obvious physical differences) are hairstyles, hempen sets and starter gear.

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I'm very much in favor of adding more content that pertains to particular races. I'd love to get sidequest chains that delve into the backgrounds of each clan of each race.

But I really don't see how racially locked gear appearances can be regarded as a step in that direction. Keeping a rather weak racial distinction that doesn't appear to have any cultural significance, just because we don't have anything else, doesn't seem to me to be valuable enough to be worth restricting people.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

Why can we not have items that are locked to a group/ race because for them it has cultural significance?

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How about because cultural significance doesn't really have anything to do with locking them. A Japanese person could wear a kimono when they want to celebrate their cultural heritage, but I (who am not Japanese) could wear one just as well to celebrate my interest in Japanese culture. The outfit is associated with a specific culture in either case, but that doesn't limit who can wear it.

You could substitute the traditional dress of any nation or culture into that scenario and it works just as well. It doesn't make sense for it to only be the members of a culture who would be interested in that culture. That's not how the real world works, and it makes even less sense for Eorzea to work that way, where in many cases you need to go back thousands of years to get to the point where the different races actually lived in different cultures.

So giving outfits some actual cultural significance would be great. But it doesn't follow (or even make sense) that they would be locked to a race on that basis.


So have sidequest chains that delve into the different racial cultures and history, and which reward traditional outfits from that culture. Lore buffs will be delighted. But maybe my Miqo'te would be interested in Raen culture (which kind of makes sense actually as his main job at the moment is Ninja). If so, he might want to wear the traditional Raen outfit as much as the traditional Sunseeker outfit, so let him collect both and wear either.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

I have an idea. Kind of like a compromise. A way for everyone to get the glamours while at the same time, making race very important as well as culture(kinda)

How about turning the Hempen sets into items that can only be crafted by that race, and that gender of the creator? These items will then only be tradeable BUT market prohibited.

Example: to get the female Miqo'te set, you would need a female Miqo'te to create the set and trade it to you. However she can't make the male Miqo'te set. You need a male Miqo'te for that.

This would make race absolutely important to what is easily accessible to you while still being able to have a chance at all other sets some how. The Spread of racial gear would be in the hands of the races themselves so they could either spread it, or not. Perhaps they could sell it(cringing at the thought.. those prices), or you could just have a friend to make it free.

The more rare races(like Roegadyn) will have great importance. Because unless everyone fantasias to Roe to make Roe gear, Roe female hempen would be the rarest set. That should make all Roe female players feel even more special.

Maybe a friendly Elezen lady is in a happy mood and is selling 50 sets.

And again, those who wish not to spread their "culture" with their friends just won't have to. And if no one is selling or willing to give them one.. well tough luck.

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I really like this idea.

I would like to see them set some of the job gear as ALL CLASSES. I like a certain DRG body piece, DoM feet items for the PLD.

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Originally Posted by Aniya_Estlihn

Diversity and Exclusivity are two things that you are getting VERY confused with one another...

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I will concede that my use of the word was in error. My own view of diversity being narrow in the scope of only encompassing the inclusion of different cultural themes. however in saying that i feel Exclusivity is not inherently wrong, particularly in terms of a chosen video game avatar.

Where would this end i ask you? Why not let Dark Knight armor be used by Whit Mages, why not let Dragoons use Great Axes, is it fair that my Ninja can't use a Spear? Asking for one set an expansion that celebrates the the different races would not be the breaking point you make it out to be. It may even help should it allow for more of equal distribution of the races.

The Hellsguard Roegadyn are so very interesting, steeped in fantastic lore about their view points and beliefs, originators of the Warrior job, the believe they guard the the gates hell and use martial and magic teachings to do so. Yet all we hear of is Sharlayan scholars and the Magi wars. Why should Hellsguard not have gear that represents them and that history? There are so few Roegadyn out there as it is.

The Duskwight have lived for centuries in underground caves, one could argue there are entire cities under Erozea little mentioned and all but forgotten. The most we see being the Gelmoran ruins... Of which there are no gear sets attributed to them?


Highlanders were the first of the Hyur to reach Eorzea. Their name derives from their long tradition of building strongholds in the mountains. Compared to their Midland brethren, the Highlanders are noticeably larger in build. They adhere to the doctrine of the Twelve, and are devout followers of Rhalgr, the Destroyer. Ancient Highlander practices of tattooing and tooth filing are very much alive today. Of late, Highlanders have become an increasingly rare sight in Eorzea, their number represented almost exclusively by those who fled Ala Mhigo after its fall, and now work in other city-states as mercenaries and sellswords.

With a spiritual tradition dating back to times of yore, Highlanders are known to sport wood-carved talismans woven into their underclothes, and votive tattoos adorning their bodies. While some find Highlander aesthetic sensibilities crude, one cannot deny their uniqueness and the manner in which they evoke unadulterated strength of nature. Such ruggedness can also been seen in their preferred fare - Highlanders often dine on simple yet impressive dishes such as massive aldgoat steaks, seared perfectly to seal the natural juices. Overcooking is taboo in Highlander kitchens, to the degree that some consider them raw meat eaters.

(Great break down of Highlander culture)

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I have said it before, I know i'm part of the minority here, i understand i'm on the losing side, maybe that's why i like highlanders so much.

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With a spiritual tradition dating back to times of yore, Highlanders are known to sport wood-carved talismans woven into their underclothes, and votive tattoos adorning their bodies.

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Oh, I didn't know this. Probably because nothing in the game insinuates it... If we get more character customization I hope Highlanders will have the most (or only) body tattoo options. It's only fair since they lack options like tail size and limbal rings.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

Where would this end i ask you? Why not let Dark Knight armor be used by Whit Mages, why not let Dragoons use Great Axes, is it fair that my Ninja can't use a Spear?

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Early in 1.0 anyone could wear any gear. I still have a couple pieces of dated gear. I wish I had kept more of it but I didn't know glamour would be a thing back then. And they're already doing stuff like taking the Kirimu coat look from being bard only and giving it to everyone in a glamour piece, so I don't see why they couldn't do that with more gear.

With weapons being tied directly to class it's pretty obvious why different jobs can't use any weapon, they would have to remake that entire system.

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Early in 1.0 anyone could wear any gear. I still have a couple pieces of dated gear. I wish I had kept more of it but I didn't know glamour would be a thing back then. And they're already doing stuff like taking the Kirimu coat look from being bard only and giving it to everyone in a glamour piece, so I don't see why they couldn't do that with more gear.

With weapons being tied directly to class it's pretty obvious why different jobs can't use any weapon, they would have to remake that entire system.

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What i meant in regard to the armor is the Artifact job specific gear sets. I was also in 1.0 and did indeed benefit from a very few pieces gear that i still have on some alts.

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What i meant in regard to the armor is the Artifact job specific gear sets. I was also in 1.0 and did indeed benefit from a very few pieces gear that i still have on some alts.

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A certain level of exclusivity based on iconic class/job imagery is ok. Like the blue lvl 50 class sets (from class quests) for example. But those are very specific sets designed for very specific classes based on years of iconic designs for those classes in many FF games. Race exclusivity has no logical reason behind it. Sets that are class exclusive should be the kind of gear you find in the raids or from class specific quests, not generic tome bought gear, dungeon gear, crafted gear or vendor gear.

But when you're talking about more generic gear like the hempen sets, the racial starter sets, or most of the DoW/DoM restricted gear from 1-60, exclusivity stifles creativity and diversity. For example, there's an outfit I want to put together but on a healer I can't finish it because the perfect set of boots are rog/nin only. Now these are just generic boots, not iconic class specific gear. They are just simple leather boots that go above the ankle, but below the knee, are tight, are thankfully devoid of excess ornamentation, and aren't high heeled. These boots are the Griffin Leather Boots of Scouting, generic crafted boots that don't have any logical reason to be class/specific. But nothing equivalent exists for the healing classes. Why?

As I said before, too much exclusivity stifles creativity and diversity. Even if most things can't be set to "all classes", it can't hurt to have more shared appearances between classes. A good example of this already existing in game is the Holy Rainbow Shirt of <insert affix here> of which there is one for everyone. Its the same exact model for every class, only the default colors differ (and a little dye fixes that right up). We need more gear to be like THAT. Not everything has to be like that, but much more than we currently have to be sure. And especially generic clothing items like hempen, racial starter gear, and basic footwear.

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This dude gets it.

You know that guy talking about basic sets really had me thinking. and since this thread has GM attention... I'm just gonna say


CAN WE HAVE THE LEVEL 50 CRAFTER SETS UNLOCKED? I REALLY WANT THE WEAVER'S SWALLOWTAIL! Please~?

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Originally Posted by Fredco191

You know that guy talking about basic sets really had me thinking. and since this thread has GM attention... I'm just gonna say


CAN WE HAVE THE LEVEL 50 CRAFTER SETS UNLOCKED? I REALLY WANT THE WEAVER'S SWALLOWTAIL! Please~?

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That's already gonna happen, lol. It's kinda obvious it's going to happen in 3.5 Part 2 this month. Just wait till fan fest next week.

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That's already gonna happen, lol. It's kinda obvious it's going to happen in 3.5 Part 2 this month. Just wait till fan fest next week.

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Where's this info coming from? Was it datamined or is this just conjecture based on the Chinese region getting them?

I'm not doubting you or anything, just wondering .

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

Me too! They should consider loyal customers also. Not just the majority.

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please explain what exactly separates a loyal customer from the majority because I'm still scratching my head on that one. these 2 groups are not mutually exclusive and never were. you want to separate them to make your views feel more important. I got news for you in an MMO they are looking to try to keep more players as loyal customers so giving the majority what they want is exactly that

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Uh, define Loyal customer...

If it's subscription based, I've been subscribed quite a while.
1,260 days subbed, veteran rank 13, 180 till the final vet reward and my sub comes up in a couple months.

I am absolutely for unlocking glamor options for all races and genders.

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personally I think what they should do for these sets and possibly the race specific sets is allow us to do quests with the race tribes to earn their trust kinda like the beast tribes. that would be the smart way to do it.
we have 6 races each split into 2 tribes so 12 tribes of which only Hyur has separate Hempen set/Dance for each tribe. they could even use this as a way for us to learn the dances for each race.

how I would impliment this is

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1. alternating quests between each tribe for the purposes of helping the tribes become closer(as it seems some of them are pretty bitter toward eachother)
2. the hempen sets unlocked after your first rank up(maybe create new sets for the tribes that dont differ)
3. the dance for each tribe would be available after several ranks(new persistant versions dances made for each tribe including new ones for those that do not have them)
4. your final rank(going to assume rank 7 or 8) would get you a race specific gear set for your race as a purchasable reward(these would be nearly identicle but each would have something slightly different about it. and you would be able to trade the set you bought if you used a fantasia)

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If not unlocking them then I would like to see more options such as varients in design but for the love God make them dyeable so sick of gear not being dyeable but I'd still rather have the hempen sets unlocked cas haveing underware being race exclusive is just silly now the race starter sets yes keep them exclusive tbh I would like to see more race exclusive sets like them (that are dyable) or are the same item just with a difrent look based on race and gender upon equip

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Originally Posted by Fredco191

CAN WE HAVE THE LEVEL 50 CRAFTER SETS UNLOCKED? I REALLY WANT THE WEAVER'S SWALLOWTAIL![/SIZE] Please~?

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Please, no! Not the AF sets. Those are the one place where class/job locking should remain. (Though I do think all other gear except for AF should be glamourable regardless of your class/job.) But the AF sets are designed to define the look of a given job. Those shouldn't be wearable when you're playing as something else.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

Please, no! Not the AF sets. Those are the one place where class/job locking should remain. (Though I do think all other gear except for AF should be glamourable regardless of your class/job.) But the AF sets are designed to define the look of a given job. Those shouldn't be wearable when you're playing as something else.

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Nobody uses the crafter/gatherer ones though. I've never seen most of them worn, ever. It's such a waste of fun designs which would add some much-needed variety. I agree that battle class AF can stay locked but as you can already be a sword-wielding chef anyway (the old Valentine set) they may as well let everyone do it. Botanist AF isn't exactly iconic FF job-defining imagery and it's so sad seeing every single crafter running around in Ironworks like a clone army.

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Please, no! Not the AF sets. Those are the one place where class/job locking should remain. (Though I do think all other gear except for AF should be glamourable regardless of your class/job.) But the AF sets are designed to define the look of a given job. Those shouldn't be wearable when you're playing as something else.

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I believe one of the other versions of ffxiv, the chinese one perhaps, has the level 50 crafter and gatherer sets available in the cash shop as non restricted glamor items.

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Nobody uses the crafter/gatherer ones though. I've never seen most of them worn, ever. It's such a waste of fun designs which would add some much-needed variety. I agree that battle class AF can stay locked but as you can already be a sword-wielding chef anyway (the old Valentine set) they may as well let everyone do it. Botanist AF isn't exactly iconic FF job-defining imagery and it's so sad seeing every single crafter running around in Ironworks like a clone army.

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I use the level 50 fisher hat in all my fishing sets...

Still would like the ability to set multiple glamors on a piece...
Really makes the crafter/gatherer unique sets rather pointless since everyone seems to end up in the all crafter/gatherer sets eventually...

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Nobody uses the crafter/gatherer ones though. ... It's such a waste of fun designs which would add some much-needed variety.

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I do. And I like the variety it gives me to wear a leatherworker-specific set when I'm a LTW or a goldsmith-specific set when I'm a GSM, etc.

It's true they don't have the history behind them that many of the combat job AF sets have, but that's because it's a new thing for crafting disciplines to be jobs in their own right. They don't exist as such in any of the single player FF games. But many players still value them, and it's just as valuable to give those their own look as it is for the combat jobs. (If anything, it may be more important for the crafting classes, which don't otherwise have much to distinguish them.)

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I believe one of the other versions of ffxiv, the chinese one perhaps, has the level 50 crafter and gatherer sets available in the cash shop as non restricted glamor items.

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I don't really see how this is relevant. We're not playing the Chinese game, thank goodness. It has quite a few things I wouldn't want here.

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I don't really see how this is relevant. We're not playing the Chinese game, thank goodness. It has quite a few things I wouldn't want here.

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It exists.
Which makes it that much easier to incorporate into other versions of the game...

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You can't be a LTW without paying the price of never being able to glamour your other jobs. Since a piece of gear can only have one glamour attached. Even worse that the AF gear isn't as good as the Ironworks gear, so wearing AF gear is a double negative. You would need to reglamour every time you change crafters if you want to wear the gear. Or destroy your inventory holding each AF piece.

This issue effects battle classes too. Tanks and magic are forced to only look a certain way if they have multiple tanks or magic classes. NIN, DRG, and MNK aren't affected by this as they have their own sets. BRD used to be safe but then MCH came along.

So yeah, they either need to get rid of the restrictions or fix the glamour issues. There's a reason no one wears crafter AF2(Heavensward)