Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

I JUST HAD ANOTHER IDEA! ADD DICIPLES OF THE LAND AND HAND TO DUTY FINDER PARTY as an OPTION, so we get a complete party!!!
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That would compleate the party 6/6 and have backup!!!===6/6!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Miners could mine in the dungeons and crafters would um...help somehow! haha

This isn't technically DF but it was mostly random people so I'm counting it. I was helping newcomers run through the coils and teaching them along the way. After a relatively wipe-free time, we came to T9... and with only 3 people who had actually cleared it before, I basically told them to check a guide before we started. We still died a lot. For the first few times, we had troubles with the meteors. One of our number had a few troubles with placement. Then they had a few troubles with the golems and we eventually made it past them as well.

On the second phase we proceeded to start obliterating the boss and then people suddenly folded like cards. It was the fire and ice mechanics that took us to the divebombs which proceeded to finish us again. After taking a minute to address that, we took our final shot at it. Everything went extremely well but we lost a couple members, including myself and it took us to divebombs again.

Now here is the fun part because we did clear on this run. I got a raise right before the divebombs and waited to active it until the divebombs went off, taking out 6 other members of the raid. He was at 2% before this and it left both me and the WHM to finish him. Right as the WHM went down, I cast the finishing spell and the fight was over. All in all it was a tough fight for the group and everyone was glad to have finished it.... And then we reached T11

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Also worth remembering Temple of Corn is in that awkward period for Paladins where they don't yet have their tank stance like the others. So they'll be struggling a little more, maybe.

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PLD was my first tank in early 2014. The issues a PLD has at that time is not ensuring to actually flash more than once and using Rage of Halone unless DPS are unloading before the Paladin can do more than Shield Lob +Flash. It's not that hard at that time to maintain aggro in Qarn yet.

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Originally Posted by Lmcgyver

I will just say, RoH is actually a 5-fold attack (4 quick slashes followed by one really big and obvious downward slash that has a really noticeable effect). The first two in the combo (Fast Blade and Savage Blade) are a quick back-and-forth diagonal slash, and a single spinning slash, respectively. Riot Blade (MP restore) is a stab.
Basically, PLD enmity combo is: Fast Blade (2x quick slashes) >> Savage Blade (spinning slash) >> Rage of Halone (5-fold attack with a really noticeable final hit).

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You're absolutely right. Not sure why I remembered it as three. That is completely my bad.

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Originally Posted by FinaSel

He only used flash once at the beginning of each fight. And he didn't use Rage of Halone. (Never saw a 3-slash attack).

When the enmity bar was getting close to his, I would switch to another mob to avoid pulling aggro, but it was really tough.
Now that I know what Rage of Halone is, I'm in a better position to offer advice. Thank you!

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Yeah that's really not enough to ensure aggro hold on all the mobs in my experience. That won't even hold the mobs off the healer. As I'd mentioned, I'd seen a level 56 PLD do that when I leveled NIN and I had switched a lot to make sure I could grab the mobs from chewing the healer's face. I waited until the mobs were pulled, all marks were green. Two attacks and I'd already gotten aggro. Switching targets didn't help much since it only ensured either a) I got aggro on them too or b) he was switching targets but had only used riot blade...

Like I said, it got better the few times he used RoH and flashed more than once at the start of the pull after I mentioned the better combo. Then I inwardly went /huh when I saw he was level 55.

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Originally Posted by ExKage

You're absolutely right. Not sure why I remembered it as three. That is completely my bad.

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Might be you're thinking of Butcher's Block, WAR's enmity finisher. That's three hits, if memory serves (I may be wrong here, been a long time since I played WAR).

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Originally Posted by Lmcgyver

Might be you're thinking of Butcher's Block, WAR's enmity finisher. That's three hits, if memory serves (I may be wrong here, been a long time since I played WAR).

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Possible, I've heard it so many times I convinced my brain that the sound I was thinking of for RoH was BB's. When I'd made my post yesterday I was imagining each strike with the sound in my head and somehow convinced myself that it was just three.

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Originally Posted by ExKage

(Hallowed Ground + Sentinel popped at same time??? Ok I won't question it).

I spend most of my time in CS holying or killing things. He doesn't stun the summoners so I'm guessing he wants the added exp... for us since he's 60. Cool.

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On the note of Hallowed Ground + Sentinel: This sometimes happens to me. Except the other way around. I use Sentinel when placing down a large pull (and I know I've done this in AK) and then notice I'm still dying too fast and/or the healer isn't healing me (usually happens the latter way, I rarely get overzealous with pulls). So I pop HG on top of Sentinel when I'm really low, so I may end up having both on at the same time. If he used them in that order or immediately overlapping... ????????????

On the note of stunning the summoners: Paladin has kind of a weird stun. It's not a cooldown like the other 2, so it's always available, but as a downside it's a weaponskill, and thus will interrupt any combos that may be going on. Some paladins just stop stunning altogether because of that. My personal solution for that is "Shiled Lob the summoner -> Circle of Scorn everyone else -> stun the summoner". Makes for an awkward start, but hey no demon mobs. Or harriers turning into dragons.
Could be he was letting them spawn for the extra bit of exp, but at this point I'll always be skeptical of that :/ Would be cool if that was the case. But based on what appeared to be his stance on mentoring...

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Originally Posted by Mysterysword

The DPS are me and a BRD, I'm at an ilvl of 233, while the BRD is definitely 240+. The AST is also 240+.

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Hmmmm I don't think you can be over i240 at the moment.
Either way

Yes we do need more tanks in the game, but can we PLEASE have less tanks like these (>QmQ)> A WAR in deliverance has no one to blame but himself if he loses aggro to the first basic unboosted moves of an opener.

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Originally Posted by Suirieko

Tbh it's still dumb to need when you have an ilevel much higher than the drop. you obviously don't "need" it.

I'm just venting, never liked the fact that people could need shit when their ilevel is way higher than the drop they're needing.

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Originally Posted by Nuna

They might need it for glamour though.

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Well, glamor is about the only time I'd need on an item that wasn't an upgrade.
If all I'd do with it is turn it in for seals, vendor, or desynthesis it's all greed.

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Originally Posted by Aosha

On the note of Hallowed Ground + Sentinel: This sometimes happens to me. Except the other way around. I use Sentinel when placing down a large pull (and I know I've done this in AK) and then notice I'm still dying too fast and/or the healer isn't healing me (usually happens the latter way, I rarely get overzealous with pulls). So I pop HG on top of Sentinel when I'm really low, so I may end up having both on at the same time. If he used them in that order or immediately overlapping... ????????????

On the note of stunning the summoners: Paladin has kind of a weird stun. It's not a cooldown like the other 2, so it's always available, but as a downside it's a weaponskill, and thus will interrupt any combos that may be going on. Some paladins just stop stunning altogether because of that. My personal solution for that is "Shiled Lob the summoner -> Circle of Scorn everyone else -> stun the summoner". Makes for an awkward start, but hey no demon mobs. Or harriers turning into dragons.
Could be he was letting them spawn for the extra bit of exp, but at this point I'll always be skeptical of that :/ Would be cool if that was the case. But based on what appeared to be his stance on mentoring...

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Yeah I have experience with PLD stuns since I was using it while AK was actually relevant through somewhere around Snowcloak.

But he definitely ran through a group popping Hallowed and Sentinel right at the same time, in that order... Completely overlapped as much as you can with what their timers are x.x

PotD floor 21-30 with me (MNK) and 2 other players which came from LS (PLD) and (MCH) along with one pug (BRD)..

At around floor 25ish, Bard used Mage's ballad for whatever reason we may not understand.. We just didn't bother to ask, and it remains as a mystery..

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

As long as you actually need it for whatever reason does it matter be it for glamour(which is what all gear is regardless of level), desynth or seal turn in. If someone actually opens up their mouth and says I need X item then I will pass otherwise I will greed or need items. Also the amount of people that actually greed or need ex items is low, plenty of times I don't bother doing either and still get the items.

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90% of the time I go into expert run, people will need things despite them don't 'needing' it. Frankly, if you're getting item just for the sake of seals/desynthesis, then it should be greed only.

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Originally Posted by Suirieko

90% of the time I go into expert run, people will need things despite them don't 'needing' it. Frankly, if you're getting item just for the sake of seals/desynthesis, then it should be greed only.

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90% of the time, people will whine after the items get looted before showing their manner whether they can ask if the other players are willingly to pass the loots.. I'm talking bout greedy entitlement between players..

Had this CS run as AST where my cohealer is a SCH. That SCH kept DPSing the whole time, which normally wouldn't bother me since I can solo heal CS as AST/SCH. But this particular one, I was having trouble because she didnt even have a fairy out and she isn't even healing herself. Suffice to say, it was a rocky ride with people who yolo it and I am solo healing. I know she isn't paying attention because I turned on Noct. Sect right after the first boss.

This one is in Praetorium (Mentor Daily). I ran as SCH and had AST co healer who had Noct. Sect on. He kept cancelling my crit adlos/succor so before first boss, I asked he switch to Diurnal Sect because his current stance is cancelling my barriers and they don't stack. His response? "#### off b*tch".

Some people were talking in linkshell about going to A5 after reset. I had been before with my FC, but we hadn't successfully cleared it. (Got to the last add, but DPS wasn't enough to clear) So I asked if I could join them.

They said "sure" and put together the party.
It had been a while since I went with my FC, so I reviewed the fight.

Even though I "know" what to do, I still can't react in time or do it correctly. And I died often to Gobhook and his rush ability. (Even though I appeared to be behind him. I guess I wasn't fast enough.)

I still can't master when I stand on the tower, especially in the 2nd half of the fight. So another one person helped me out a lot with that.

After, I think, 3 wipes, we finally cleared it. But I was dead at the time. The other members, all, I believe, were veterans, did so well. I was amazed at how good they were.

Raiding Savage content really is on a whole different level. Watching them, compared to myself and my FC, I felt strong respect for them. It must take so much work to learn the fight and do it perfectly like that.

Later, my FC challenged A5 again without me (because I had cleared), but after 2 hours they still couldn't clear it. I'm surprised by the level of difficulty of Savage content!

Furthermore, our FC (myself included) challenged Nidhogg EX again. It's our 3rd time (total 3 hours now), but we still can't clear it. We almost always wipe at the Fang / Claw phase.
Problem is:
1.) Blue DPS doesn't stay away from blue orbs. Get hit by blue orbs or, usually, splash damage when a red player pops the orb.
2.) Red people don't move to the center to absorb the shared damage.

We even sometimes can't clear the add phase because DPS isn't enough. A ranged gets hit by every attack from the Were Dragon. A tank often dies before DPS can kill the first add.

And one or two people die to Cauterize every single time.
Although Nidhogg EX is not as hard, personally, than A5, I can still see how much work and dedication it must take most people to clear it.

I seriously found a new respect for the people who work hard to do these fights.

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Originally Posted by Suirieko

90% of the time I go into expert run, people will need things despite them don't 'needing' it. Frankly, if you're getting item just for the sake of seals/desynthesis, then it should be greed only.

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Why? As far as I can see it, you have the right to roll on any gear, and if you are lucky enough for the dungeon to hand over gear for your job, by all means, take it.

If I wanted to be sure I'd walk away with tank gear, then I'd enter as a tank or simply ask at the start of the dungeon if the crew was cool to pass. Simple as that.

Really, I feel like venting about the RNG never dropping gear you could take would be more reasonable than getting mad at a random healer using need on healer gear. *shrugs*

I'm of the opinion that if you can roll need on it, you have every right to. Anything beyond that is courtesy but it is precisely that - beyond.

The dungeon RNG happened to give you something of your role. It could have just as easily been someone else's and they would have had a right to it. It's good luck, that's all it is. And it evens out, sometimes it's reversed where nothing drops that you want. There are a million reasons to need items besides an actual upgrade: seals (read: anima, ventures), desynth, glamour.

When you didn't communicate with the person rolling need (which you had no right to anyway unless they initiated the conversation as it's none of your business) you have no idea what they need that for, and yet you assume that whatever they're using it for it's less important than what YOU would use it for. That's selfish, you have no way of knowing.

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Originally Posted by Suirieko

90% of the time I go into expert run, people will need things despite them don't 'needing' it. Frankly, if you're getting item just for the sake of seals/desynthesis, then it should be greed only.

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Sucks trying to get tank gear in Brayflox when running as dps. Without fail the tank will need on it.

Horrible tales from Weeping City!

First one is a horror show, I was going with a friend to get their DRG chest. This clueless SMN cat boy continuously died. We had one MCH and the rest of the DPS were SMNs as well, they weren't going to resurrect him and I got tired of wasting my mana so I just plain-out stopped. The other WHM continued to though although if someone is going to be raised only to die ten seconds later, best to just not waste your time and keep the rest of the party alive.

He died three times on the first boss, countless times on the second and twice on Ozma. He even brought a meteor to the tank and caused the second wipe. I had trouble getting orbs because of everyone's wonky positioning and the fact that the other WHM was so focused on keeping the weakest link of the party alive, that he has absolutely NO mana to cover me. People were giving him instructions, he just wasn't following them. Eventually, he and the healer left and there was me.

Well, the party said the worst members are gone and the other two alliances had people chime in saying they wanna continue even though there's one healer in mine... so uh, I went with it and actually no one died. I took the orbs and managed to somehow cover myself. I quickly threw on a stone skin, regen and took an orb > bene > stoneskin > second orb > tetra and then went to take care of whatever else. The rest of the party stayed good with their positioning this time too. On Calofestieri, it wouldn't have been so bad if she weren't spun around a bit but it was far better than it would've been if we had the same WHM and SMN that caused problems beforehand...


Second one was this morning. Yet another clueless catboy but this time, he was the other healer on my alliance. At first he was asking about "How to edit my spam filter" in the chatbox, DURING Mhach. You'd think that he'd take care of this before. And, he kept dying numerous times and said "I am watching videos sry". Either you are full on or full off, not bothering to give the courtesy of paying attention and having everyone else do the work is awful. The tank had problems too, since he even got the wrong add on Forgall.

After that horrible experience, me and my DRG friend decided to just go and leave, it's not worth the stress dealing with that group.

God, I keep running into crap like this... often.

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Originally Posted by Cakekizyy

Sucks trying to get tank gear in Brayflox when running as dps. Without fail the tank will need on it.

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That's exactly what the tank thinks and why he queues as tank... >_>

Weeping city. Get stuck with a White Mage that only uses Medica II and nothing else. Just why?

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Originally Posted by Bebekurenai

That's exactly what the tank thinks and why he queues as tank... >_>

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I want the gear, but don't like tanking in dungeons. 😥

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Originally Posted by Cakekizyy

I want the gear, but don't like tanking in dungeons. ������

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You could run the dungeon with party restrictions removed.
Then you can run it solo with your highest level character and get all the items for yourself.

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Originally Posted by FinaSel

You could run the dungeon with party restrictions removed.
Then you can run it solo with your highest level character and get all the items for yourself.

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I tried that, final boss likes killing my main.

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Originally Posted by Cakekizyy

I tried that, final boss likes killing my main.

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Once you get to level 60, you can get much better equipment very easily from doing roulettes.
With that equipment, going solo through almost any dungeon pre-Heavensward is very easy.

Therefore, I recommend getting to 60 and getting esoteric gear. Then try running it again. It should be very easy to do by that time.

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Originally Posted by Mysterysword

Supply and demand. You know why the wait queues for DPS are so long? That's because there are a thousand other DPS ahead of the queue in them. Kick a DPS and you'll likely get an instant replacement.

Why are the wait queues for tanks/healers so short? Because there are very few tanks/healers willing to queue. Kick a tank from the group and you're likely to spend another hour just hoping another tank will queue, AND have checked the "in-progress" box.

Also, the people who believe that they can play this MMO as a single-player game, refusing to give other people any consideration whatsoever, just shouldn't be playing this game.

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To me, that just sounds like a whole lot of reason for DPS to just relax and let tanks/healers do their jobs.

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Originally Posted by Masquerade

To me, that just sounds like a whole lot of reason for DPS to just relax and let tanks/healers do their jobs.

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Seeing as how this means that any underperforming DPS is very easily kicked and replaced, not really. Nobody ever notices when a DPS is doing their job well, either.

On the other hand, any underperforming tanks/healers are much more likely to keep their place, since it would be more difficult to replace them.

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Originally Posted by Mysterysword

Seeing as how this means that any underperforming DPS is very easily kicked and replaced, not really. Nobody ever notices when a DPS is doing their job well, either.

On the other hand, any underperforming tanks/healers are much more likely to keep their place, since it would be more difficult to replace them.

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I think he meant dps should keep calm, not to underperform.

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Originally Posted by Masquerade

My only regret is not recasting Protect again before I left. lol It would not have done anything else, I just think it would have been funny for him to see the shield go around him again right before I took off.
"you can tank...."
cast Protect.
Gone.

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Gotta add a half of a 2nd regret onto there .. =/

Sign up for The Howling Eye again. I was bored, just chatting with a friend who had to go afk, so it's quick and easy run. Just something to do while waiting for him to come back.

As soon as we get in there, the healer went linkdead. And we had to replace her. - I knew voting to disband the party was option, but did not know it makes you wait 15 minutes before you can vote. No idea why. It's a stupid amount of time.
All-and-all it was not all that bad of a time waster. We made some jokes, and attacked the boss twice just to give us something to do while hoping a healer would join before the 15min timer was up, cuz we were not standing around do nothing for a second more than we had to.
No luck, so we disbanded.

Now assuming the group I left duo to that cactuar-mouth lancer (Ironically the dps in that Howling group was also a lancer. But he was funny.) did not find a replacement tank for that group, and just had to sit around for that timer to count down so they could disband without getting that penalty for leaving on their own....I feel bad for this 2 innocent bystanders in the group that just got caught between him and I. Those 15 minutes go by reaaally slow when your just sitting there counting the seconds.

But at the same time, I relish knowing that unless he took off the way I did, he stood around in that group with them for at least 10 minutes, and then voted to disband the group (knowing, and knowing the other two knew it as well) around the same time we would have been on the last boss, had he just followed and played his role in the group.

There is no penalty for leaving an undersized party, so once someone has left and eaten the penalty, everyone else can leave with no consequences.

Did Sohr Khai for an expert, we lost someone before the first boss because they were apparently getting Error 2002, their friend who was with us relayed that we could go on without him if we needed.

So we decided to 3 man the rest of the dungeon, and it actually went surprisingly well. :D

I am noticing an odd way of thinking for those who..disapprove..of my actions in leaving that group. You probably did not mean to come off this way (or maybe you did?) but.....

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Originally Posted by MeiUshu

As you stated you are new to this game, I would like to point out to you, that for DPS (in this game), queues are VERY long depending on the type of dungeons they are queueing for. For tanks, queues are almost instant but for DPS they go up to 30mn if not an hour even more before they can enter any place. So, when they get in and a tank leaves right in the middle for them is a net loss and is from the tank (any doing so really other then if they really really suck and go beause of that reason which I do at times rarely but I do which then would be the right thing to do) a really unconsiderate and very disrespectful way of going about towards those players that were there with you. I am not saying your reasons are wrong but I am saying that before you leave as you did you mind want to think that in your group you are a key player a DPS is easely replaced there are lots of them but there arent as many tanks around. So as it looks like your going, had them probably requeue as no tanks queued in progress and they had to wait again a long time, when they were not guilty of anything. Some responsability comes with the role you choose.

I am sure you didnt know all that it implies but now that you know, I hope that next time you will take this into consideration before just going(I know is just a hope and yeah I believe people can act as person rather then being affected by the *either my way or none* attitude) To be fair, there are lots of people out there that act just like you, and each time it annoys me to no end.No offence meant of course not.
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Originally Posted by Mysterysword

Supply and demand. You know why the wait queues for DPS are so long? That's because there are a thousand other DPS ahead of the queue in them. Kick a DPS and you'll likely get an instant replacement.

Why are the wait queues for tanks/healers so short? Because there are very few tanks/healers willing to queue. Kick a tank from the group and you're likely to spend another hour just hoping another tank will queue, AND have checked the "in-progress" box.

Also, the people who believe that they can play this MMO as a single-player game, refusing to give other people any consideration whatsoever, just shouldn't be playing this game.

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Originally Posted by Mysterysword

Seeing as how this means that any underperforming DPS is very easily kicked and replaced, not really. Nobody ever notices when a DPS is doing their job well, either.

On the other hand, any underperforming tanks/healers are much more likely to keep their place, since it would be more difficult to replace them.

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Meant to or not, your pretty much saying that DPS players have more of a right to play and act in anyway they want, becouse they are so "replaceable."
But tanks and healers are fewer in numbers, and so they need to be above that, and put up with any nonsense because that group needs you more than you need them.

Tanks and healer, did not pick that class to act as a NPC shield and hi-potion for everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Jatoi

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Yes! This so much! I know exactly what you are talking about!

Clueless catbois with spiky hair and stupidly smug faces, standing in every aoe attack and having nothing but Final Fantasy related names.

I feel like our characters should meet up in Buscarron's Druthers and drink away our hate our dislike for them. :D

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Originally Posted by Masquerade

To me, that just sounds like a whole lot of reason for DPS to just relax and let tanks/healers do their jobs.

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Seeing as how this means that any underperforming DPS is very easily kicked and replaced, not really. Nobody ever notices when a DPS is doing their job well, either.

On the other hand, any underperforming tanks/healers are much more likely to keep their place, since it would be more difficult to replace them.

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I dunno. I agree that "underperforming" tanks/healers are kicked less, but not for the same reason. And underperforming DPS have less incentive to perform at all because it's harder to tell when they're doing poorly, and they're not as important as having a decent tank and healer. I haven't seen anyone say that they feel they need to learn how to play better so that they won't get kicked, so personally I don't think the risk of getting kicked is any incentive to do better. If anything, most people seem to believe that they're already doing the best they can do.

When I end up in a party with a hopelessly bad tank who doesn't understand what they're doing, someone usually eventually kicks that tank. 'cause like, if you're wiping to the first trash mob in a HW dungeon because the tank still hasn't figured out how to hold aggro, it's not a good sign for the rest of the run.

When I end up in a party with a hopelessly bad healer who doesn't understand... I think I've only seen them kicked once or twice, and only in cases where it was impossible to clear otherwise. Usually, the rest of the party just groans and bends over backwards to try to compensate. And then successfully clearing becomes a hero story to tell your grandkids.

When I end up in a party with a hopelessly bad DPS who doesn't understand, people just sigh and keep going because there are no DPS checks (in regular instances, not raids) where having just one bad DPS is going to stop you from clearing. And it's rare to get two DPS who are so -incredibly- bad that you can't clear. If they don't have a bad attitude, kicking them just feels mean.

That having been said, I've easily seen most kicks happen to DPS, and it's because of bad attitude.
It could be a coincidence that it's often someone doing really low DPS, or maybe it's similar to what's seen in more competitive games like Overwatch with the whole "gg ez" business. And then there's this strange unwarranted sense of entitlement. I know one DPS I saw even had the nerve to say no one else's opinion mattered and that we should be -happy- they're there, because "DPS make the run go faster". It was like, yes, that's true, but not with your DPS... And I'd rather it go even slower than know I'm carrying you when you have that kind of opinion.

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Originally Posted by Masquerade

Meant to or not, your pretty much saying that DPS players have more of a right to play and act in anyway they want, becouse they are so "replaceable."
But tanks and healers are fewer in numbers, and so they need to be above that, and put up with any nonsense because that group needs you more than you need them.

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I have no idea where you got that impression, because I've been saying the exact opposite: Tanks and healers can screw around and underperform all they want and they won't get kicked. Even if they do get kicked, they have fast queues and short waiting times. DPS have to put up with tanks and healers who won't or can't do their jobs.

On the other hand, when a DPS gets kicked, they're facing another long queue time.

Just got Sastasha in leveling roulette.
3 sprouts.
level 20, 21, 21.

It's the tank's first time. I figured he wasn't an alt because he seemed to get lost a few times.
I was a little nervous, but it was maybe the best run I've had in a LONG time.

The tank labeled every mob and the DPS only attacked the labeled mob. A DPS only drew aggro once, and the tank immediately picked it back up!

The DPS waited until the tank used Flash before attacking. And the tank used Flash very well.

Mobs went down fast and tank used skills well and must have had good gear because he took very little damage.

Tank picked up Scurvy Dogs quickly. DPS took them down well. No adds spawned at the final boss fight.

DPS were also using their skills well.

I mean...damage was great. Tank managed hate well and controlled the mobs.
And all 3 were sprouts!

Even when I run Sastasha with people who've been playing for years it doesn't go this well.

The only bad thing about the entire thing was that I could only give 1 commendation.

EDIT: And I don't think they knew each other because their language settings were different.

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Originally Posted by Masquerade

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Nobody said that at all...but if it suits you to believe so be my guest. I dont think you will ever admit that your attitude may not be appropriate. I am a firm believer that karma has a way. So in time we will read about how unfair it was for you to be kicked because you didnt know why or because you were not good enough....although you will say you were.

At any rate...good luck

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Originally Posted by MeiUshu

Nobody said that at all...but if it suits you to believe so be my guest. I dont think you will ever admit that your attitude may not be appropriate. I am a firm believer that karma has a way. So in time we will read about how unfair it was for you to be kicked because you didnt know why or because you were not good enough....although you will say you were.

At any rate...good luck

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Leave the man alone. So he left, big deal. Don't be hating on him now that he doesnt instantly see your side of things and beg for forgiveness. Saying that karma will get him good and you hope to see him cry on the forums seems incredibly childish.

@Masquerade: Do what you want to do man. In the future tho if you feel your not being respected enough you might want to consider kicking the harasser to avoid having the innocence suffer as others have stated that healers and especially tanks are a rare commoditiy. Any dungeons under 50 have an incredibly hard time finding tanks and healers so use that to your advantage. Someone being an ass? Take these simple steps!

1. Threaten them: Make them respect your privilege and authority before continuing the dungeon. Let the know whos in charge. Halt the dungeon to a complete stop until you get an apology.
2. Kick them: If step one doesnt show results you vote to kick them and let all in the party know that you WILL NOT PROGRESS until the deed is done or they can find another tank for the next 30 mins if the motion doesnt pass.
3. Leave: If for some reason the others thought that not kicking the rude person was the best option then its time to let them all suffer for not being on your side of the fight. Let them know it was fun but they chose to find a new tank with rejecting the kick. Wish them the best of luck waiting for an inprog tank for the next 10-30 mins cause they really wanted that guy to stay. Make sure to rub it in their faces that your next queue will be instant for good measure.
4. (optional step): If you wish to avoid a penelty from leaving then ask them to kick you! Dont even try to help them no more, they will last 5-10 mins before they meet your demands for a kick when they realise your rock solid in your beliefs, let them know you have all the time in the world to make them suffer otherwise. Or you could *cough* "DC" randomly and stay off for 5-10 mins as well.

Once again this works best on pre50 dungeons. Follow these guidelines and you will be well on your way into becoming a proper tank with disrespect issues \o/

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Originally Posted by Mysterysword

I have no idea where you got that impression, because I've been saying the exact opposite: Tanks and healers can screw around and underperform all they want and they won't get kicked. Even if they do get kicked, they have fast queues and short waiting times. DPS have to put up with tanks and healers who won't or can't do their jobs.

On the other hand, when a DPS gets kicked, they're facing another long queue time.

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I say "To me, that just sounds like a whole lot of reason for DPS to just relax and let tanks/healers do their jobs. "
and you replay [B]"Seeing as how this means that any underperforming DPS is very easily kicked and replaced, not really. Nobody ever notices when a DPS is doing their job well, either."[/B ....."just relax and let tanks healers do their jobs"....."not really" unless you misunderstood my meaning, then your saying dps can do what they want to.


And for the record, trust me when I see when a DPS does well and poorly. Tanks and healer take notice of that.. It does go upraised a lot of the time.
Even anything the praise it backwards.
If the DPS has a slow burn, and the fight last longer, tank and healer are more likely to lose power. Tanks loses aggro, mobs spread to the entire party and healer can not keep up. Tank and/or healer get blamed.
DPS has a strong burn, melts the mobs like butter, making things very,very easy for the tank and healer = tank and healz get all the credit.

But pick up groups are often very short, and no one sticks around after the group long enough to pat one another on the back and give praise.

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Originally Posted by MeiUshu

Nobody said that at all...but if it suits you to believe so be my guest. I dont think you will ever admit that your attitude may not be appropriate. I am a firm believer that karma has a way. So in time we will read about how unfair it was for you to be kicked because you didnt know why or because you were not good enough....although you will say you were.

At any rate...good luck

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Reread your post.
"I am not saying your reasons are wrong but I am saying that before you leave as you did you mind want to think that in your group you are a key player a DPS is easely replaced." While saying that I am not wrong, you make the suggestion that it would have been better to kick the dps because they are so replaceable. And that even tho I was ticked off, and was no longer having any fun in that run, because there are so few tanks I still should have stayed for the sake of the group. My enjoyment no longer mattered. The important thing is getting the other dps and the replacement dps to the end of the zone. As for the healer...well they are few in number too, so he needed to help dps as well.

Some responsability comes with the role you choose.
So not meaning that tanks and healers should be above feeling offended and just do runs like an NPC?

You then choose to end with
"To be fair, there are lots of people out there that act just like you, and each time it annoys me to no end.No offence meant of course not."
err how about spending less time getting annoyed with people who choose to leave the group for feeling offended, and spend more time being annoyed with people who go around being offensive.

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Originally Posted by Masquerade

the praise it backwards.
If the DPS has a slow burn, and the fight last longer, tank and healer are more likely to lose power. Tanks loses aggro, mobs spread to the entire party and healer can not keep up. Tank and/or healer get blamed.
DPS has a strong burn, melts the mobs like butter, making things very,very easy for the tank and healer = tank and healz get all the credit.

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lol This is so true. And for the buttery parties, I always feel so bad that I can't give comms to everyone, because it really takes -everyone- doing a great job to get runs like that. I usually give my comm to one of the DPS.