Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

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Originally Posted by rina_inverse

Hmm, I dunno
Same sex relation between samurai is a well known issue that been adapted in many format. Might worth to mention that those relation was kept hidden because it against their code of honor maybe, or something like that

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Do you have a source for that, because I can't find anything that supports that homosexuality was seen as dishonorable in the feudal period.

I would like to see same-sex marriage included. As other have already pointed out, many people do not even play the same gender as their character.

I also find their reasoning given quite poor. Many companies today are not afraid to be progressive and make a statement on their stance about same-sex relationships. It would be a positive message to send out. I just also find it eye-roll worthy that, for some reason, same-sex marriage is the only subject they're being tetchy about. Sexism (Jiggly boobs, revealing gear, over-the-top sexy posing) is apparently all a-ok to them, and a subject they've never even addressed as being an issue, even though I know I'm not the only one who has a problem with it.

sorry, ditch my earlier statement. it came from a manga I read. clearly need to re-read it again

anyway, quick google search give me this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_Japan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Japan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Japan

tldr, Japan is tolerant to LGBT, but doesn't allow same sex marriage to be perform in Japanese soil

God bless Japan!

tolerant yes and no...
gays are ok as long as in the media as comic relief but you don't want a gay in your family, that's for sure
oh and in Tokyo they banned dancing in gay clubs few month ago and then also talked of relocating the gay district on the suburbs because Shinjuku is too central so people could see them...
so yeah... tolerant... yes and no...

haha, well we can say that my info is second hand info while yours is first hand info lol

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

tolerant yes and no...
gays are ok as long as in the media as comic relief but you don't want a gay in your family, that's for sure
oh and in Tokyo they banned dancing in gay clubs few month ago and then also talked of relocating the gay district on the suburbs because Shinjuku is too central so people could see them...
so yeah... tolerant... yes and no...

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Said it before in another topic, but of all the supported language country's, Japan is probably the least accepting.

It's too late to ask lol

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Originally Posted by Wynn

If you truly don't care as you say, then you are not among the people I was referring to when I said they can go to hell. So no reason take offense or try to build an argument around my comment.

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Oh, i get it now, thank you got clearing that up for me. I guess that when they come for the gypsy, i shouldn't stop them, because i am not a gypsy. When they come for the Jews, i should not stop them, because i am not a Jew. When they come for the homosexuals, i should not stop them, because i am not a homosexual... I do not care what group you are currently wishing to be destroyed or sent to hell, i will stand up. Just because your cause is politically correct will not stop me from pointing out your hatred.
Shame be upon you.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Also, the fact you would even state the GBLT community is somehow exclusionary betrays the reality that you've never had any kind of real contact on interaction with us. For starters, go look up PFLAG.

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Because every member of GLAAD is a saint who would never go into a seething fit of frothy rage, screaming about breeders and claiming that the "asexuals" are really just gays who refuse to come out of the closet because they are scared. I must apologize for having forgotten that all non heterosexuals are happy shining people who are always found in groups that display precisely the standard cross section of all homosexual and tolerant people. (don't even get me started on tolerance). Maybe you should change your name to show that you will include any sexual preference so long as they do not stand in your way.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Anyone is more than welcome as long as they aren't trying to deny us rights, lambaste us with hateful and/or faith-based rhetoric, or harm us in any way. If that is what you want to do then, yes, you aren't invited to the party. Nobody likes a party-pooper.

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Funny how you talk about lambasting with hateful and/or faith based rhetoric. I know i am not welcome to the party because i have tried to help educate homosexuals about their options concerning legal rights and i have been told that i am trying to deny them their rights. It seems that anything someone wants at any time is a right these days.


My apologies, it seems that some of the homosexuals whom i have met were either not real homosexuals, or were not proper homosexuals or maybe just had not paid their dues to their local unions.
Being politically correct does not excuse them. Like most mammals, humans behave differently when in a herd. when one person at a large gathering is suddenly outed as not like minded on a particular subject, the herd will turn on them and believe that they must be also not like minded on all subjects which bond the group together. Suddenly you will find yourself being accused of all kinds of crimes and the previously friendly gay bar will begin whispering about you.

I used to have gay friends in real life. I no longer have any male gay friends in real life. The male gay friends that i had became immersed in their GBLT societies. They lost their specific religion and later their theism all together in favor of that which was accepted in the GBLT community. They lost their diction in favor of that which was acceted in the GBLT community. They lost their mannerisms and speech pattern and political philosophy. They lost all of that, and i lost my friend, then i lost another. Now i have none.

Yes, I am a Christian.
Yes, I consider myself a conservative.
These are not reasons to do to me exactly what you accuse the general public of doing to you or others like you.

The GBLT community in my area does not know that i am a libertarian. not the pot smoking and underage drinking kind, but the liberty and responsibility kind. All the GBLT community knows is that i am a conservative Christian and therefor an enemy.
I would point out the fect that you are being hateful and are filled with a rage, trying to exact revenge on those whom have done you no real harm, but that would be politically incorrect.

In closing to you, i would just say: Go ahead and keep believing that you are a victim, it makes you feel good. Go ahead and keep believing that your hatred is any different than the hatred you accuse your opponents of. Go ahead and believe that anyone who differs with your opinion on any subject must then also be a hate filled Evangelical, conservative Christian "hate monger" who is bent on the utter destruction of homosexuality or at least a return to the treatment of homosexuals from the 1800's to the late 1900's. Go ahead and keep believing that your group of friends and acquaintances are a good representation of the world population, or even the population of your location. Go ahead and believe that the number of likes in this one thread represents the entire playerbase and the world, actually means something, and is not just a representation of who wants to increase someone else's like count and who does not.

Everyone on the internet is called a phag so what makes this any different?

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Originally Posted by Yellow

I'd really like to see a good reason why they don't want SSM in ARR.

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It's obvious looking at this thread.

As an example...religion. This is similar to religions bashing each other. Now if you know much of anything about policies on the Internet you'd know that to be a pretty taboo subject. Why? 'Cause people are just going to fire off personal attacks at each other and effectively do what you see here! How you can miss such blatant contention this topic has created is beyond me. This is exactly why they didn't jump on same-gender marriage! It is an absolute risk to their reputation, and by extent, their income. If you haven't caught on, they're currently shooting for stability before considering other things.

People are getting blacklisted for expressing an opinion against same-gender marriage?! Well, holy smokes, cow, and whatever else fits! What "open minds" those individuals have when they have to shut out everyone who thinks otherwise. Hypocrisy abounds! Goodness! You can't expect a voice if you won't give one to others. (And as a side note, you can't counter what you don't see.) But to those of either side being polite and showing respect, high-five.

This is the problem, Yellow. Controversial topics are a headache, and this is one of them. My last paragraph is something that will infuriate, but is it not true? No, it absolutely is. A pinpoint strike! And just affirming that will be even more infuriating! The topic is a landmine. You can hardly step anywhere without someone blowing up. This is deeper than simple opinions. These are beliefs. What's sacred, and what's right and wrong. Stating your feelings and what you hold sacred in front of someone with whom they'd trample what they hold sacred is a train wreck waiting to happen.

But anyway, as I said earlier, Square Enix is shooting for stability. They're also rebuilding their reputation, and this is no doubt going to be a critical moment. Tossing something this controversial in at the get-go is an unwise venture.

I think getting behind that "pact" concept would cause something to come about sooner, and more acceptable to boot, and anything past that can just be roleplayed. Honestly, with roleplaying in-game marriage already exists, so really, what's the big deal? If the chapel was something simple, all you need is some ambiguous text from an NPC along with whatever cosmetic thing they're planning, and you can just roleplay the rest without anyone really giving a care.

I dunno, maybe a title under your name reading "First Last's Soulbound," or a ring similar or something. Then the players can decide if it's like marriage or like adventurers making a pact to fight beside each other as the truest of friends.

I'd really like that outcome. My main character isn't my own gender, and there's a certain someone of a matching gender I can't communicate with well because of the language barrier. Our conversations end up being quite comedic. I'd love to wear that name. But looks like it wouldn't happen anyway, what with regional servers and everything.

This is what happens when churches involve themselves in legal matters in a bid for power and control. You don't like it? Consider that while homosexuality is not a choice, religious belief is, and is still afforded protections under the law, if not enshrined as the law. Unless you elaborate on why you don't like tolerance (either in thus or another thread) If you re looking for causes of total innocence, yeah, you haven't been among the few that exist for a while.

But before that, tell me this. What is the "gay" equivalent of a doctrine of everlasting torment? Or "putting them on an island", that is shared by whole organizations and required for membership?

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Originally Posted by Kallera

This is what happens when churches involve themselves in legal matters in a bid for power and control. You don't like it? Consider that while homosexuality is not a choice, religious belief is, and is still afforded protections under the law, if not enshrined as the law. Unless you elaborate on why you don't like tolerance (either in thus or another thread) If you re looking for causes of total innocence, yeah, you haven't been among the few that exist for a while.

But before that, tell me this. What is the "gay" equivalent of a doctrine of everlasting torment? Or "putting them on an island", that is shared by whole organizations and required for membership?

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i guess before tackling the fact the the premise of your challenge being false, i will go ahead and give the equivalent for the equivalent groups.
Doctrines of hating anyone who disagrees with your lifestyle choice, calling them names and claiming that they are bullying you because oprah told you to. Believing that throwing glitter on someone or all over a parking lot will accomplish anything other than being perceived as inconsiderate litter-bugs. Telling those who disagree with same sex marriage to go to hell because you are "the majority". Claiming that religion is the basis of all problems that homosexuals run into... Is this satisfactory, or need i find more?

tolerance and acceptance are different things.

I feel the hatred boiling over within you. Again and again you mandate that the fear, opposition and phobia of homosexuality is created by religion. I must praise you on your use of logical fallacy which insinuates, partially through word choice by you, that there are large groups of people who require that one believes that homosexuals will be tormented for eternity or that they should be exiled in order to be a member of the organization.

Religion, or rather faith, is a choice just as much as "sexual preference" is. You can choose to be heterosexual, you may not like it, agree with it, and it may disgust you. I can choose to be an atheist, i may not like it, agree with it and it may disgust me.

You use critical theory almost exclusively, but you do not seem to know from where it originates. It amazes me that this is even a big issue for anyone. While it might be nice to have marriage in game, it does not even exist yet, nor is it a priority to be introduced. Perhaps your time could be better spent asking for the ability to have a one time race/gender change other than the opportunity we may have at the launch of ARR and up to six months later.

for those of you that believe, just because i have been critical of the arguments, that i am opposed to same sex marriage, please tell me where i have said that i oppose it (with the exception of OBVIOUS hyperbole, sarcasm, satire and notations that said have been used in the creation of the post).

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Originally Posted by Huginn

Religion, or rather faith, is a choice just as much as "sexual preference" is. You can choose to be heterosexual, you may not like it, agree with it, and it may disgust you. I can choose to be an atheist, i may not like it, agree with it and it may disgust me.

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Either I missed something since last night or I've been sorely misinformed because I'm fairly certain it doesn't work that way.

At any rate, this thread is about same sex marriage in a game. Fake, non-official, non-legal marriage in an online game. Someone tell me why same sex marriages shouldn't be allowed in that context.

The real world has no bearing here, especially because the gender of the players is not taken into consideration, only the gender of the characters. Two male players with opposite gender characters can get married. A male and a female player with same gender characters cannot get married.

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Originally Posted by Huginn

i guess before tackling the fact the the premise of your challenge being false, i will go ahead and give the equivalent for the equivalent groups.
Doctrines of hating anyone who disagrees with your lifestyle choice, calling them names and claiming that they are bullying you because oprah told you to. Believing that throwing glitter on someone or all over a parking lot will accomplish anything other than being perceived as inconsiderate litter-bugs. Telling those who disagree with same sex marriage to go to hell because you are "the majority". Claiming that religion is the basis of all problems that homosexuals run into... Is this satisfactory, or need i find more?

tolerance and acceptance are different things.

I feel the hatred boiling over within you. Again and again you mandate that the fear, opposition and phobia of homosexuality is created by religion. I must praise you on your use of logical fallacy which insinuates, partially through word choice by you, that there are large groups of people who require that one believes that homosexuals will be tormented for eternity or that they should be exiled in order to be a member of the organization.

Religion, or rather faith, is a choice just as much as "sexual preference" is. You can choose to be heterosexual, you may not like it, agree with it, and it may disgust you. I can choose to be an atheist, i may not like it, agree with it and it may disgust me.

You use critical theory almost exclusively, but you do not seem to know from where it originates. It amazes me that this is even a big issue for anyone. While it might be nice to have marriage in game, it does not even exist yet, nor is it a priority to be introduced. Perhaps your time could be better spent asking for the ability to have a one time race/gender change other than the opportunity we may have at the launch of ARR and up to six months later.

for those of you that believe, just because i have been critical of the arguments, that i am opposed to same sex marriage, please tell me where i have said that i oppose it (with the exception of OBVIOUS hyperbole, sarcasm, sat
ire and notations that said have been used in the creation of the post).

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I'm not angry, I'm disappointed.
This is a honest discussion about the inclusion of same sex marriage in a MMO, not a place for your (bad) comedy routine. That is all I'm saying to you.

i think this game of all places should not be judgmental when it comes to this stuff. after all once again...its just a game. i really hope people wouldnt be THAT offended by something like this ingame. i am 100% ok with same sex marriage. and have no problem what so ever with it being in this game

This is a classic example of making an issue of something that really didn't need to be a issue.

If Yoshi P's answer would have been a nonchalant "Of course you can." we would have no thread no debate no moral righteousness.. everyone would just go on with their day.

If marriage is only limited to M/F pairings i would like a real life gender check... (pics or it didn't happen rules apply) if we are bring real world debates into a virtual one might as well bring it all in or nothing.

Can we talk about cross species marriages now?

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Originally Posted by Arcell

At any rate, this thread is about same sex marriage in a game. Fake, non-official, non-legal marriage in an online game. Someone tell me why same sex marriages shouldn't be allowed in that context.

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huh?

By that logic, you wouldn't complain if there was positive depictions of slavery, sexism, or heck even child pornograpy in a game?

I mean, its fake after all.


(In before fallacious derailment attempt: "You're comparing same-sex marriage to child pornography??!!".)

Here's what I think.
Yes, allow it. I would dearly love to be able to marry my irl boyfriend in game, however, he picked a pretty catgirl, same as I did. I don't think either one of us plans on changing, and I imagine a LOT of other people are probably in the same situation.
Don't call it marrage, as that has super special meaning for Christians and such. Give it another name, like the ones suggested earlier in the thread. Say you have it enabled, weddings, happy party union times, the whole nine yards, but don't specify if it's one, the other, or both. If you don't like it, don't try to marry your best friend to see if it works, or you are stuck together for a good long time. ;P
Make a devorce quest, make it as expencive as can be. Make people think twice about having their unions. Make sure that they know what they are getting into, then we don't have people complaining about the above situation, and if they do go through with it then, they deserved it. :P
And hell, even if SE DOESN'T want to make it so GMs go over the cerimonies, at LEAST give us the option to craft the things needed. Then, people can have a cerimony where ever the crap they want to. Doesn't even have to be the specified happy union building.

I totally understand the big deal, it could backfire massivly, but it's a game for god's sake, get your panties out of a bunch and just play how YOU want to. If I wanna marry my boyfriend's character, that is no worry of yours, I'm not gonna show off or anything after the fact, it's just a nice, meaningless addition to a game we both love. :3

i would be pelased if they would implement same sex marriage

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Originally Posted by Alteiriaa

Here's what I think.
Yes, allow it. I would dearly love to be able to marry my irl boyfriend in game, however, he picked a pretty catgirl, same as I did. I don't think either one of us plans on changing, and I imagine a LOT of other people are probably in the same situation.
Don't call it marrage, as that has super special meaning for Christians and such. Give it another name, like the ones suggested earlier in the thread. Say you have it enabled, weddings, happy party union times, the whole nine yards, but don't specify if it's one, the other, or both. If you don't like it, don't try to marry your best friend to see if it works, or you are stuck together for a good long time. ;P
Make a devorce quest, make it as expencive as can be. Make people think twice about having their unions. Make sure that they know what they are getting into, then we don't have people complaining about the above situation, and if they do go through with it then, they deserved it. :P
And hell, even if SE DOESN'T want to make it so GMs go over the cerimonies, at LEAST give us the option to craft the things needed. Then, people can have a cerimony where ever the crap they want to. Doesn't even have to be the specified happy union building.

I totally understand the big deal, it could backfire massivly [...]

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I think your proposal is the best route - let the whole thing be player driven.

The sticky part of this is the word: 'Marraige/結婚/Heirat/Mariage/Matrimonio/결혼' - Most people opposed to same-sex marriage don't fuss much over legal equivalents (ie domestic partnerships)

If it does end up being a GM/NPC sanctioned event, SE had best come their own term: 'Soul Pairing/Love Pact/BFF Certificate/etc..'

Marriage a silly gimmick in an MMO anyways (gonna consummate that?)

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

BFF Certificate

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I want a BFF Certificate!

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

huh?

By that logic, you wouldn't complain if there was positive depictions of slavery, sexism, or heck even child pornograpy in a game?

I mean, its fake after all.


(In before fallacious derailment attempt: "You're comparing same-sex marriage to child pornography??!!".)

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Slavery and sexism depend on the game. If it takes place in a time period or country where these things are accepted, then that is the culture of the world the game is set in. Do I agree with it? Nope. Do real world rules apply and make it illegal? Nope.

Child pornography is way different though as that is about mere depiction. The depiction of slavery or sexism or same sex marriage is not illegal.

By your logic are you not okay with killing humanoid enemies as it is murder? I mean just because it's fake doesn't make it okay, right?

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Originally Posted by Arcell

Either I missed something since last night or I've been sorely misinformed because I'm fairly certain it doesn't work that way.

At any rate, this thread is about same sex marriage in a game. Fake, non-official, non-legal marriage in an online game. Someone tell me why same sex marriages shouldn't be allowed in that context.

The real world has no bearing here, especially because the gender of the players is not taken into consideration, only the gender of the characters. Two male players with opposite gender characters can get married. A male and a female player with same gender characters cannot get married.

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you did miss something and it was not very obvious unless you spent several hours poring over the thread. The message was trying to show that faith is, by definition, not a choice in the same way that sexual preference is not a choice. Just as believing that 1x+1x=5x (where x is a non zero, real number) is not a choice.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

I'm not angry, I'm disappointed.
This is a honest discussion about the inclusion of same sex marriage in a MMO, not a place for your (bad) comedy routine. That is all I'm saying to you.

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You were the one claiming that religion is simply a choice in the same manner that some claim sexual preference is a choice. If you want to keep the subject to same sex marriage in a video game, stop bringing up other topics, namely religion outside of video games. I disagree with your assertion that faith is a choice.

my point is to show that your selective moral outrage is quite ridiculous. Should we also be petitioning for minors to be permitted to marry in game, whether it be their character or the player that is a child, while marriage does not even exist in the game?

I got to this thread a bit late (it was already 47 pages by the time I looked at it!) and tried to go through it all, but it's just more time than I want to invest going through it all. I took a couple earlier posts and quoted them just to give my input on the subject.

First of all, I just want to say I'm neither for or against same-sex marriage. I'm not a religious person and I'm also not a person who even wants to get married. My beliefs on being with someone is at some point you will find someone you will want to spend the rest of your life with, and I think just making that commitment to that person who is also of the same mind should be good enough. You shouldn't have to go through a government facility to make anything "official".

As others have mentioned, with how the shift in views of society are these days, for the sake of fairness if they can't include same-sex marriage in-game they just shouldn't do it at all.

Now to my quotes:

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Originally Posted by Nix

I think they could dodge a lot of bullets if they didn't call it 'marriage' but tried a different name like bonding, handfasting, pairing etc then allowing the same sex union.

I'm not against same sex marriage at all, but it'd kinda shy away from the stigma of folks getting their underwear in a twist over marriage not being shown in a traditional (to them) light.

Personally I would love to see same sex unions, as one poster mentioned earlier; there are a lot of people who play characters that don't properly reflect their r/l gender, so to leave them out of something like this based on aesthetic choice wouldn't be cool.

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This might be a compromising way of tackling it, but it kind of seems like a halfway measure to appease the people who are against same-sex marriage.

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Originally Posted by RoosterAgathos

This is a classic example of making an issue of something that really didn't need to be a issue.

If Yoshi P's answer would have been a nonchalant "Of course you can." we would have no thread no debate no moral righteousness.. everyone would just go on with their day.

If marriage is only limited to M/F pairings i would like a real life gender check... (pics or it didn't happen rules apply) if we are bring real world debates into a virtual one might as well bring it all in or nothing.

Can we talk about cross species marriages now?

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The gender check would be kinda interesting, but also invasive at the same time. It could be done, but who's to say someone isn't using their mom's credit card and is getting married to their guy friend? Just what ifs, since I think most of the people that would take part in this are probably older and have their own financials taken care of. You'd be more likely to see a Male Roegadyn and a Female Lalafell getting married than this happening. (to answer your second question)

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Originally Posted by Kyri

Im a christian and im also VERY bisexual. I hope im not going to hell D: No one told me this ; ;

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It's not my place to judge anyone, but I just wanted to point you in the direction of this, since your question piqued my interest and I wanted to look it up:

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The Bible doesn't speak of homosexuality very often, but when it does, it condemns it as sin. Let's take a look.

Lev. 18:22 , "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Lev. 20:13 , "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"

Cor. 6:9-10 , "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Rom. 1:26-28 , "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

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source: http://carm.org/bible-homosexuality

As I mentioned before, I'm not a very religious person so my view on things may not be correct, but is there really any grey area to be had here? I would think a book of words from the God you worship should be black and white. It's one thing to follow everything else to a T but exclude one bit which seems to be damning.

I hope you don't take the above as offensive; I was trying to be objective as possible about it, as religion is a very touchy subject, and is usually one to get a thread locked. I was just hoping to get your view on this.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

I think your proposal is the best route - let the whole thing be player driven.

The sticky part of this is the word: 'Marraige/結婚/Heirat/Mariage/Matrimonio/결혼' - Most people opposed to same-sex marriage don't fuss much over legal equivalents (ie domestic partnerships)

If it does end up being a GM/NPC sanctioned event, SE had best come their own term: 'Soul Pairing/Love Pact/BFF Certificate/etc..'

Marriage a silly gimmick in an MMO anyways (gonna consummate that?)

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I think calling it something else would put it under the radar too. There are other ways too.

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

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I want a BFF Certificate!

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Platinum Paramour's Pendant?

OH NOES!!! that event made it possible to receive the achievements for Valentione's day with a same sex partner! you could even achieve "Player Name has been recognized as a member of Eorzea's most loving couple during Valentione's Day!" with a same sex partner. In fact, some in my linkshell did manage to do so with a same sex couple.

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Originally Posted by Huginn

The message was trying to show that faith is, by definition, not a choice in the same way that sexual preference is not a choice. Just as believing that 1x+1x=5x (where x is a non zero, real number) is not a choice.

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Just stop. You have no clue what you're talking about, and you prove it with nonsense like this.

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

Just stop. You have no clue what you're talking about, and you prove it with nonsense like this.

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Just what do you mean? you say i have no clue as to what i am talking about. i assume you mean that you believe that faith is a choice and therefor anyone who disagrees with you has no clue? if this is the case, then i ask you why you do not choose to believe the opposite of what you currently believe. If you are a theist then why not just choose to believe that there is no God or gods? if you are an athiest then why not just choose to believe that there is a God or gods?

Oh FFS! Just make a damn Player Poll that offical. Which should have been done before planning to put marriage
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Do you want player marriages? Y/N

Do you want same gender player marriages? Y/N

would you still want player marriages if same gender was not allowed? Y/N


No BS with it, 51% of total Polled wins.

lets be honest... if we have no useful benefit to getting married in game... do you really care?

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Originally Posted by RoosterAgathos

lets be honest... if we have no useful benefit to getting married in game... do you really care?

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Exactly, so we should allow same sex marriages because if it has no benefit then no one should care. Thus allowing it has no negative impact on people.

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Originally Posted by RoosterAgathos

lets be honest... if we have no useful benefit to getting married in game... do you really care?

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Do I care if same gender marriage is in game. NOPE.

Do I Care if there is Marriage in game period. Nope.

Do I care if marriage is in game and Same Gender isn't allowed. Yes.

That fact that people Attach gender to a bunch of pixels in game confounds me. It's a
Damn game. However saying that. My wife and I both play and were are both Miquo'te.
It would be nice to role play a little in game as married from time to time if it was allowed.

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Originally Posted by Huginn

Just what do you mean? you say i have no clue as to what i am talking about. i assume you mean that you believe that faith is a choice and therefor anyone who disagrees with you has no clue? if this is the case, then i ask you why you do not choose to believe the opposite of what you currently believe. If you are a theist then why not just choose to believe that there is no God or gods? if you are an athiest then why not just choose to believe that there is a God or gods?

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Everything is predetermined. That is at least what you are heading to. lol

Otherwise all there is to say is I believe what I believe because I choose it to be the best option. Just like I believe sushi tastes fantastic once a week but sucks 5 times a week - unless you want to tell me I was predetermined and had no choice of my opinion then.. otherwise it was just my choice to make the opinion (but could be heavily influenced).

That being said we shouldn't even be talking about faith - theist or atheist.

FFXIV has its own gods -ALREADY- and doesn't give a crap about real world Atheism, Christianity, Greek Pantheon or what else have you.

While calling it marriage doesn't mean it is the same marriage recognized in the real world it does allude to that. It would be better to draw a farther line.


Zeus and Jesus have no place in FFXIV. Lets keep it that way.

Ingame weddings = More food for drama queens.

As if people don't already have enough drama in their shells without the weddings in the game...
Just don't even implement it at all!!
I wonder who was the first person to think of it at all.

Guy 1: "You know, i thought of something! what if we had players marry in the game!!!

Guy 2: Oh ok, what would the bonus from that be? what would the players that marry gain?

Guy 1: NOTHING!

Guy 2: YESS!! LET'S GET TO WORK!

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Do I care if marriage is in game and Same Gender isn't allowed. Yes.

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Oh I'm not against it.. I am very for it. I only want it because linking accounts with someone you trust who happens to be the right gender in game is a pain in the arse

I just want some sort of bonus for throwing my lot in with another character.. bonuses for partying together mog house visitation rights, exp bonus for sleeping in the same bed :) .. gear sharing ect. If its just a superficial thing.. i could give to shyts if it happens

I have no clue why this is an issue with people. It is a FANTASY game. Not real, no reflection to society "although i can fantasize" >^.^< If FFXIV allowed same sex marriage's would they really expect to be boycotted by millions of conservative Americans?? The simple answer is no it wouldn't happen the youth and the elderly who run this country are completely different and who do you think would be the target demography? whatever is decided for marriage wouldn't even get a mention on the news networks. Because it is FANTASY not real! I mean honestly if it was a huge deal for a religious belief be implemented on a fantasy game don't you think people that are (irrational argumentative "Insert religion") who would boycott the game would be playing a game with the Gods of Ezoria anyways?

bleh now the rant is over i guess i get it a little I just think that it's crazy fans are making an issue over it.

We are in Square Enix's world we play by their rules in their game. I personally respect whatever they implement because that is what they have decided for their FANTASY world.

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I have no clue why this is an issue with people. It is a FANTASY game. Not real, no reflection to society "although i can fantasize" >^.^< If FFXIV allowed same sex marriage's would they really expect to be boycotted by millions of conservative Americans?? The simple answer is no it wouldn't happen the youth and the elderly who run this country are completely different and who do you think would be the target demography? whatever is decided for marriage wouldn't even get a mention on the news networks. Because it is FANTASY not real! I mean honestly if it was a huge deal for a religious belief be implemented on a fantasy game don't you think people that are (irrational argumentative "Insert religion") who would boycott the game would be playing a game with the Gods of Ezoria anyways?

bleh now the rant is over i guess i get it a little I just think that it's crazy fans are making an issue over it.

We are in Square Enix's world we play by their rules in their game. I personally respect whatever they implement because that is what they have decided for their FANTASY world.

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Not to mention the people who do start "boycotting" and getting all pissed, conservative or not, are often those who don't even play video games lol. It's always the non-gamers that blow things way out of proportion. Not SE's audience, why should they matter?

It's funny that you see the dozens of pages but it's not as big an issue as it seems. Looking at the poll on page 1 and the responses, a vast majority of them are overwhelmingly either for or not against allowing it.

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The point is still invalid. Much is made nowadays of falling in love, but we see where that's gone.

Astronomical out-of-wedlock birth rates, a generally decaying, corpulent culture, and replacement ratings below maintenance for current populations.

Marriage is supposed to be far more than what Hollywood soaps show. It is to be a permanent union dedicated to maintaining discipline and commitment from the man and woman in question, and to raising children. A biological error in a man or woman that leaves them incapable of having children does not make their relationship invalid, as was accused above - it is an error, an unfortunate mistake, in their biology. They are indeed designed for this coupling - but there is a problem that prevents them from fulfilling this portion of their biological programming.

It is, in no way, the same thing as two men who are incapable of producing children. That is a logical fallacy of astonishing proportions.

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Ingame weddings = More food for drama queens.

As if people don't already have enough drama in their shells without the weddings in the game...
Just don't even implement it at all!!
I wonder who was the first person to think of it at all.

Guy 1: "You know, i thought of something! what if we had players marry in the game!!!

Guy 2: Oh ok, what would the bonus from that be? what would the players that marry gain?

Guy 1: NOTHING!

Guy 2: YESS!! LET'S GET TO WORK!

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Actually, having no reward (or a symbolic reward, like rings and the wedding armor set.) ensures that people aren't getting wed for gaming rewards and advantages. Maintaining the purpose/decorum of the ceremony.

As for drama, well, its the internet. Anything truly worth a GMs time would have to be out there and past blacklisting.