New Jobs Gated Behind Completion of 2.0 Story?

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Originally Posted by Mirakumi

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Yeah look, I've already regarded this statement pages and pages ago before you even came to this thread, so not going to repeat myself. Clearly you're here only to insult people, just because they have an idea different than your own and that most importantly wouldn't even affect you in any way if it was implemented. Unless seeing people unable to do things you can grants you some sort of beneficial effect, in which case I am very sorry to know people like you are around. But hopefully this is not the case.

If seeing people "complain" hurts you so much, maybe threads with titles like this one, or perhaps the whole official forums, are not the place for you.

Meh. I think it'll be fine. I mean you buy games to play through them after all.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

This fight is childish....

I'm done with you, I dislike feeding trolls.

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Your attempt at trolling is childish.

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Originally Posted by Tuathaa

Try that on a new world with a new character with no buffs or gil and see how much fun it is. Unfortunately you have the benefit of understanding how the game is played unlike a new player.

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Did that with my current character. Cant say it was hard to get geared.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

It's changed again recently, but when I first started playing properly they had several tutorial agents that would walk you through aspects of the game, skilling up to destroyer, making some ammo, transporting goods, etc. as well as Aura the ships computer slapping annoying information panels on everything.
Not great, way to much reading and assumed knowledge, but not the worst tutorials in existence.

I believe it's been replaced with an 'opportunities' system that sounds slightly more fitting for a sandbox.

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That sounds like they have at least attempted to close that gap for new people playing that game....I remember being so confused when I started playing Eve. Thankfully I got into a decent Corp. and they pointed me in the right direction...incidentally they pointed me to 0.0 space and I never looked back after that...

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Originally Posted by Donarudo

That sounds like they have at least attempted to close that gap for new people playing that game....I remember being so confused when I started playing Eve. Thankfully I got into a decent Corp. and they pointed me in the right direction...incidentally they pointed me to 0.0 space and I never looked back after that...

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Null is old news. Come join me in Wormhole space, if you contract me your stuff I can get it hauled in for you ;).

lol, that wouldn't work even if I wanted it to. Skill queues online for me at the moment, not sure if I'll ever go back. Fun per hour is a lot higher in FFXIV, I do miss the bonds that a galaxy full of competition forces you to forge though.

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Originally Posted by Bluevann

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It's true it does not affect me. ATM. Also I am not here to insult people. It's you insulting me because you just want to hear people agree with you. Well I'm sorry I can't because I've been trying the last 5 posts. Yet you only complain that I'm here to hurt your feelings. Honestly you should make a petition if you feel so strongly about it. There was people who came to this forum, yes, to complain, and that's fine. But not to take anyone input and say its "insulting me" is another thing all together.

I do make alts. Your not the only person in the world that has friends coming into the game. That want to play the new classes so you have to tell them well, let's get you to 50 first. I've gone out of my way, to make new characters for every time a friend joins a game so they can get to 50. So please don't mock me about being courteous to others. I'm trying to look as it open-mindedly as possible.

I really don't want to become the negative nancy before my friend can get into the game. HATE IT. because of one bad thing.
I don't want to be the person saying, "DUDE THERE'S NO DRK IN THE GAME AT THE START, SO LETS NOT PLAY AND BE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE."
-p.s my friend wants to be a dark, it's not a knock at you or your friend. (I'm not insulting you.)

But I'm sure you will say that I am, somehow. Sorry.

If you're not here to experience this awesome story of how a giant magical creature shits a meteor on the head of an old geezer which in turn unfolds this amazing story of people who talk a whole lot of technical mumbo-jumbo about trapping black-clad faceless guys that live between dimensions into a crystal of liiiiiiiiight, if you don't want a tiny dragon to whisper in your ear and tell you dirty jokes, and if you don't want to get arrested by sexy (?) henchmen to play rough in a prison cell with them... if you're not up for constant yelling in dialogue (Raubahn, seriously! tone it down), also slow-motion speech (Merlwyb, seriously! can you talk any slower?!) and body parts flying everywhere...then I'd like to quote Michelle Rodriguez from Resident Evil here for you "Your problem. Not ours."

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Originally Posted by Rgbg

If you're not here to experience this awesome story then I'd like to quote Michelle Rodriguez from Resident Evil here for you "Your problem. Not ours."

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I don't get why so many people think we're asking to skip the MSQ. Nobody is, that I've read. We want to do the MSQ, but we want the option to do it as the new jobs. It's not such an impossible concept.

It is a bit baffling, yes. After all, in what way does a newbie accessing a new Job at the same time as a veteran player (think back to ROG/NIN) affect us? I'm pretty sure most players were excited to have a new Job to play (which you can get before the finishing 2.2 story, which was when ROG/NIN was technically introduced). No one has been saying a newbie should be allowed to skip the 2.0 story. This has never been said. All that is being requested is for the Jobs to be available when a player hits level 30.

Newbies will be allowed to start the game as an Au Ra, which I feel would affect the storyline/lore more so than a newbie gaining access to new Jobs at level 30 (again, ROG/NIN comes into question).

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Newbies will be allowed to start the game as an Au Ra, which I feel would affect the storyline/lore more so than a newbie gaining access to new Jobs at level 30 (again, ROG/NIN comes into question).

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As long we don't know, why the jobs are gated in Ishgard, there is no base to discuss it this way.

im not sure if this has been stated yet. but does everyone remember the game were playing? this is not wow we dont roll alts we lvl classes on one character. Most if not all of us have lvled a class we dont like to get abilitys for the class we DO like. how is this different? im sure there will be lvl 50 crossclass abilitys or maybe lvl 45. SO if a person want sto play drk than they shoudl start with pld or mrd for the crossclass skills. They will have to do it anyway in the future. If they want to lvl astro.. well guess what as a whm I lvled SCH to 50 for abilitys and i hate that class. Whats the difference here?

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Originally Posted by silverhope

Whats the difference here?

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That the new jobs will get access to cross class skills is a pure speculation. I for one believe they won't.

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Originally Posted by Bluevann

He likes the great sword aspect of it, not the role itself. He's always played RPGs only because he is a great sword enthusiast. He doesn't need anything else to decide he loves a class.

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No offense to your friend or anyone else that feels like it...but if you're hard-pressed about being one class, and one class only. [And before we get into bad semantic's JOB's in this case.]
Then I guess this isn't the game for them, and probably never will be. For your friend though; He's going to have to grit his teeth and bare with it for a while with a job he may not like and feel incredibly accomplished when they become DRK.
Just how it is. It's not going to change sadly, they're too far in to change anything right now so...I mean, has your friend even tried this game to see if he may like any job's at all?
I remember thinking bard would suck but I love it!

On a different note: I feel like people want everything that's in expansion, in the base game...Then there will be no point in the expansion.

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Originally Posted by Mugiawara

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First off, thank you for keeping your tone civil. Twelve know if I've had enough cranky replies in this thread just for expressing my and my friend's feelings.


He hasn't tried this game yet, no. When it came out and he saw there were no great swords jobs, he preferred to stay in FFXI (where he still plays, I too have my XI account to join him once a week or so). I did tell him the store roughly, and though it doesn't excite him as much as some of FFXI's plots (he's a fan of Wings of the Goddess in particular. It's a very emotional story, with lots of friends dying and bad stuff happening. In XIV, this seems to occur only twice, and my summaries to him didn't impress him much.), he said it was interesting, but that he just didn't feel the charm without his favorite weapon available for use. To each their own, I guess? We're all attracted to a game for different reasons, that may be silly to the eyes of others. For example, I joined this game back in 2013 only because unlike in FFXI, here I am allowed to sit on chairs. I've spent most of beta just moving from place to place testing where I could sit >_>;

So yes, I can't really blame him for not feeling like paying a subscription to a game that has not the most necessary thing to provide him some enjoyment. The other day I asked him if he had completed the pre-order of the bundle and it turns out he hasn't (I have been telling him to do it since the sell sites were up). He's waiting to hear news about DRK and some official requirements, since even the information given by SE themselves is being contradictory. Oh well.

He also said that he wouldn't mind to do the MSQ on another job if the devs implemented a way to "reset" your MSQ progression back to 0. (To explain, in FFXI you can choose to restart rank missions, the FFXI version of MSQ, back to 0, long as you switch allegiance to another nation. Your character 'forgets' having defeated the Shadow Lord, and all the history repeats itself).

So, if SE gave him a way to, say, start in Gridania, get through 2.55, unlock DRK, and then "switch" to Ul'dah and make him able to redo all the MSQ back from lv1 as DRK, he'd be overjoyed. Because he really wants to see that story through as a DRK.

And before someone else suggests it AGAIN, no. Watching cutscenes through the Undending Journey is in no way the same thing. Just think of the Instanced Battles we can't even ever repeat (like killing the Inquisitor in Coerthas. He likes that part in particular).

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Originally Posted by Blueyes

That's honestly my question, though. Referring to Dragoon as another example, the main NPC you interact with is found out in Coerthas. Currently jobs don't really have "guilds" to begin with, but they decided to use those for the new jobs while also placing them behind the gates of Ishgard. They could have placed the job quest NPCs out in Coerthas like they did with Dragoon, but they chose not to and for reasons that haven't been explained.

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Maybe because those jobs are basically unknown to us until we enter Ishgard? Maybe the Ishgardians feel safer behind their walls and don't want to mingle with Coerthians just yet. Who's to say that things won't change with an update down the road once we are fully active in the Heavensward areas? Anything can happen. :)

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Originally Posted by Bluevann

He also said that he wouldn't mind to do the MSQ on another job if the devs implemented a way to "reset" your MSQ progression back to 0. (To explain, in FFXI you can choose to restart rank missions, the FFXI version of MSQ, back to 0, long as you switch allegiance to another nation. Your character 'forgets' having defeated the Shadow Lord, and all the history repeats itself)..

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Well, if he's played FFXI then he knows that he had to wait til he was level 30 on another class to get Dark Knight. He didn't get that one right away either. The good thing about XIV over XI though is at least once he unlocks it, he's starting at 30 and not at 1 like you did in XI so he can continue the MSQ with DRK (MSQ doesn't get really good til after level 40 anyways imo lol). Also, levelling from 1-30 in this game is a joke and takes no time at all to accomplish. He can get that done in the first week he's playing.

Why not just watch the MSQ in the Inns? You can change to the class you want and choose a section bam, your in the MSQ.

You can do what I did with Uncharted. Grab some popcorn, pull up a chair and watch a movie.

Also some people might end up kicking your bud solely for watching the cutscenes and lagging behind. I wouldn't but I see people in Dungeon Discussion complain about Prae Prae all the time.

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Originally Posted by Theonekitten

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His friend wants to play with the weapon and could do so in FFXI from my understanding. So to him it wasn't a big deal.

Though I honestly believe you can get to 50 without doing the MSQ at all. At least you have to go to first 15 to get airships but then after your free. Honestly people grind Fates 15-50 without entering a dungeon all the time. Mostly we call these people DD

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Originally Posted by Theonekitten

Well, if he's played FFXI then he knows that he had to wait til he was level 30 on another class to get Dark Knight. He didn't get that one right away either. The good thing about XIV over XI though is at least once he unlocks it, he's starting at 30 and not at 1 like you did in XI so he can continue the MSQ with DRK (MSQ doesn't get really good til after level 40 anyways imo lol). Also, levelling from 1-30 in this game is a joke and takes no time at all to accomplish. He can get that done in the first week he's playing.

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I've explained it to someone else before, but on FFXI you can use Great Sword from the start, because Warrior is a starting job and can use Great Sword. ^^; He just used GS-War till he was able to unlock DRK. And as of now, the news (as you can read from the title of this thread), is that XIV DRK will require lv50 and 2.55 completion to unlock. So IF this is how it'll be, he's gonna miss all the good part of the MSQ as DRK :/

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Originally Posted by Mirakumi

Why not just watch the MSQ in the Inns?

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I've already replied to that, at the bottom of my previous post. Cutscenes are not the only kick of doing the MSQ, battles are too. Some duties can be repeated, but there's many instanced battles that we never get to experience again.

Again, an option to reset the MSQ would probably be a solution to our plea.

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Originally Posted by Bluevann

I2.55 completion to unlock.

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The only way I'm going to see a way around this is if he skips every single cutscene in the game, and just watches it again as DRK in the INN. They have the non CGI ones in the INN so it's not impossible for him to get the feel of it.

It just sucks he'll have to skip everything to get what he wants to experience.

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Originally Posted by Bluevann

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Why not just make him go afk and carry him through the battle so he technically wasn't there for the first time?
I mean this sounds SUPER ridiculous even to me but if It's able to get him the feel by re-doing the dungeons once DRK is unlocked himself - it might be worth it.

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Originally Posted by Mirakumi

Why not just make him go afk and carry him through the battle so he technically wasn't there for the first time?
I mean this sounds SUPER ridiculous even to me but if It's able to get him the feel by re-doing the dungeons once DRK is unlocked himself - it might be worth it.

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How does this even help? They're talking about battles that can't be repeated, not things like dungeons or primals which can. Solo instanced battles. Doing stuff like defeating Roaille (the traitorous vice-commander of the Immortal Flames) and her Imperial allies can never be done as a Machinist, for instance.

What's really infuriating about the situation is that there's no good reason for it. SE COULD have placed the "mentors" for the new jobs in places accessible before doing Main Scenario (Astrologian at the Observatorium, for instance), but they apparently did not. It's also puzzling as to why any player would support the decision that was made - and yet there are many doing exactly that, in this very thread. Players defend it, saying, "It's not a big deal" or "We'll all be ready for it anyway", but no one has a good reason as to why gating the new jobs like this ENHANCES the FFXIV:ARR experience. Because it doesn't enhance anything: for current players, it's totally neutral, and for new players, it's a big negative.

Possibly the closest that could be said that would be a positive, is that it gives players something to look forward to - a reward for getting through all the story content up to Heavensward. It's not necessary that the jobs be that reward, though; there's plenty of other rewards that make a lot more sense, and do less to alienate new players (things like access to new dungeons, new areas, and new equipment).

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Originally Posted by Mirakumi

The only way I'm going to see a way around this is if he skips every single cutscene in the game, and just watches it again as DRK in the INN. They have the non CGI ones in the INN so it's not impossible for him to get the feel of it.

It just sucks he'll have to skip everything to get what he wants to experience.

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Why not just make him go afk and carry him through the battle so he technically wasn't there for the first time?
I mean this sounds SUPER ridiculous even to me but if It's able to get him the feel by re-doing the dungeons once DRK is unlocked himself - it might be worth it.

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The problem here is, they can't never get that "First time feel!" Ever again as that other job. I don't really like the CS argument...it just reminds me of Prae runs...it's not the same y'know?
Another problem that I am starting to notice is....It's the fact that in order to even get anything done...you are forced to finish 2.0...
Okay yeah, I'm starting to see how crappy that is, because personally I hate the games boring story...so I mean if I did all the other fun stuff like coil and Wod and bla bla, and I am ready to play HW...I can't...because
I HAVE to finish the story to be Au'ra and other job's....

BUT here's the thing, the race and jobs are linked to the lore so it does kiiinda make sense that it's locked like this as we are heading to Ishgard and everything starts there, but I mean...some of us don't give 2 craps about the lore.
So right now I'm kinda in-between it as far as "Lore" goes. Even though I did it, trust me, it wasn't all that fun. They could of done this a different way but I dunno how but
as for "Hey, can't do this because you HAVE to complete this storyline" kinda does suck...I'm glad I did it though lol, not trying to down anyone but if I were a newbie, did all the stuff I wanted
to this would be a real downer on my end.

TLDR: This entire thing could of been done differently if it were for the "Force the lore!" type of deal...I don't think I like it, after reading back some posts now.
Just how it is I guess...Just so glad I did all I needed to do, at least the story has gotten more fun so it was kinda worth it.

@BlueVann: You're welcome!

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

How does this even help? They're talking about battles that can't be repeated, not things like dungeons or primals which can. Solo instanced battles. Doing stuff like defeating Roaille (the traitorous vice-commander of the Immortal Flames) and her Imperial allies can never be done as a Machinist, for instance.

What's really infuriating about the situation is that there's no good reason for it.

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What good reason is there for it? Do we have timetravel in this game that I was unaware of?

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

What good reason is there for it? Do we have timetravel in this game that I was unaware of?

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Well... actually, yeah, we pretty much do. Echo lets us relive the past, and possibly even insert ourselves into the past; it's not entirely clear what its limits are, or what it actually does.

Not sure what time travel has to do with anything I wrote, though...?

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

What good reason is there for it? Do we have timetravel in this game that I was unaware of?

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It's not that difficult to achieve. FFXI had story reset and allegiance switch (way before time travel existed with Wings of the Goddess), and all they had to do to justify was this:

http://cdn.guildwork.net/albums/imag...6e57db2547.jpg

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Originally Posted by Mugiawara

I HAVE to finish the story to be Au'ra

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Uh, when did they say that?

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Originally Posted by Fenral

Uh, when did they say that?

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...Wait, you don't? I thought race and job's were...So Au'ra isn't?
That's good news lol! I would of thought they were since Yuigiri was hiding
herself, maybe because Au'ra wasn't known yet in our country...thing.
I really wish we had more info on them. :/

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Possibly the closest that could be said that would be a positive, is that it gives players something to look forward to - a reward for getting through all the story content up to Heavensward. It's not necessary that the jobs be that reward, though; there's plenty of other rewards that make a lot more sense, and do less to alienate new players (things like access to new dungeons, new areas, and new equipment).

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This exactly. I was looking at the ability to fly as the "reward" for reaching Ishgard and Heavensward content. I was really thrown off to realize that jobs would be put on that same leve.

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Originally Posted by Mugiawara

...Wait, you don't? I thought race and job's were...So Au'ra isn't?
That's good news lol! I would of thought they were since Yuigiri was hiding
herself, maybe because Au'ra wasn't known yet in our country...thing.
I really wish we had more info on them. :/

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(In truth we don't know yet, nothing was officially stated. They could pull a Fable and make a quest to give the Main Character the choice to drink a Fantasia to become an Au Ra or not, for whatever reason, during the MSQ. However, common sense says that no, Au Ra race will not be gated.)

However, common sense said the same about jobs, least to me.

Lore based, it makes sense.

Perhaps they will add something in the future that will let people revist parts of the game again.
Till then I guess his friend can't play. It sucks, but if it really is going to force you to put the game down - then yeah.
I know when MoP came out a lot of people put down WoW and are picking it up again after that new expansion.
Maybe that's what you have to do.
It sucks to not play with friends, but IMO when they got rid of exp chains - skill chain groups - and added cross server - this became essentially a very little community driven game. That's just my look on it.

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Originally Posted by Mugiawara

...Wait, you don't? I thought race and job's were...So Au'ra isn't?
That's good news lol! I would of thought they were since Yuigiri was hiding
herself, maybe because Au'ra wasn't known yet in our country...thing.
I really wish we had more info on them. :/

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As far as we know, just the Jobs and storyline are locked by quest progression (we're paying for the continuation of the story into Ishgard, so that makes sense). I suspect the expansion will hit, and Yugiri's new explanation for why she hid her face from even Au Ra PCs will have something to do with her really being a runaway princess, or something.

Maybe certain au ra's looks had them perceived as beastmen, or worse; and Yugiri wanted to maintain a good first impression.

Also, Ninja-things.

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Originally Posted by Bluevann

(In truth we don't know yet, nothing was officially stated. They could pull a Fable and make a quest to give the Main Character the choice to drink a Fantasia to become an Au Ra or not, for whatever reason, during the MSQ. However, common sense says that no, Au Ra race will not be gated.)

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Common sense and that they said you can work Au Ra in the new benchmark character creator, which implies you can start as Au Ra.

But yes, they've been very coy about the specifics. I don't know if they're pulling a personal housing pr move and wait till the last minute to reveal more bad news or they're being silent to give themselves room to change things.

I'm hoping for the latter.

Well the fact that they give you a fantasia for pre-ordering, kind of says - here - your going to be able to do this from the get-go.
Just my thoughts on Au Ra

By default, soon as the expansion is released though LV cap is bumped to 60. Meaning they're already going to give you a handicap to complete all old content required from 2.0t if you haven't done so already.

I have a question for all those that say it is okay that the jobs are locked behind Ishgard and it is good lore to have new players have to complete the MSQ up to current to access them:
IF we are going to use the story and lore to make the claim that new players would not know about the new classes, why are we that are current on the story allowed to wander through Thanalan and Ul'dah (and Mor Dhona) unchallenged? According to the lore we are now at the very least hunted by the peace keeping forces in those areas.

The Devs made a decision about how to access the classes. They are the Devs they get to make that decision, weather you and I agree or disagree. To have people cloak it in lore and fudge other parts is a hypocritical to me.
Just a thought and question.

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Originally Posted by Zplinter

I have a question for all those that say it is okay that the jobs are locked behind Ishgard and it is good lore to have new players have to complete the MSQ up to current to access them:
IF we are going to use the story and lore to make the claim that new players would not know about the new classes, why are we that are current on the story allowed to wander through Thanalan and Ul'dah (and Mor Dhona) unchallenged? According to the lore we are now at the very least hunted by the peace keeping forces in those areas.

The Devs made a decision about how to access the classes. They are the Devs they get to make that decision, weather you and I agree or disagree. To have people cloak it in lore and fudge other parts is a hypocritical to me.
Just a thought and question.

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I do so wish we had at least the rising stones to go smack around some crystal braves. That would just put a smile on my face, plot nonsense be damned.

I also think having the new jobs be behind ishgard with the story in the way isn't a good idea. It looks like a bait and switch.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

I also think having the new jobs be behind ishgard with the story in the way isn't a good idea. It looks like a bait and switch.

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It does seem like the gate is more about logistics or a marketing ploy.

Maybe they don't want every existing player AND new/returning players to flood ishgard for the new jobs so the gate is meant to spread out the players with only the existing ones in the new zones and everyone else will be in the old. Don't like using the server excuse but seems like the big issues always goes down to their crappy server infrastructure.

Or they're trying to jump start their revenue by getting people who want those jobs to start subscribing now rather than later.

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Originally Posted by Bluevann

(In truth we don't know yet, nothing was officially stated. They could pull a Fable and make a quest to give the Main Character the choice to drink a Fantasia to become an Au Ra or not, for whatever reason, during the MSQ. However, common sense says that no, Au Ra race will not be gated.)

However, common sense said the same about jobs, least to me.

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Where the WoL is an "outsider" to the current Eorzean realms at the start and Au Ra are people which would conceivably be around the continent, but rare-ish, it makes sense that the WoL could be an Au Ra.
But the jobs and their trainers are simply in Ishguard. It's certainly not common sense they'd be freely available to a new character. Ishguard is closed to outsiders. The WoL, without having gone through the story, is an outsider. No access to Ishguard, no access to jobs which are learned from inside Ishguard.
The WoL has no opportunity to be a Dark Knight, or whatever, until they can meet the people that can teach it to them.

NPC dialog is pretty clear on why you can be in Ul'dah/RT ect. It's an expedient choice by the devs but it's clearly not a plot hole or inconsistency.

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Originally Posted by Zplinter

I have a question for all those that say it is okay that the jobs are locked behind Ishgard and it is good lore to have new players have to complete the MSQ up to current to access them:
IF we are going to use the story and lore to make the claim that new players would not know about the new classes, why are we that are current on the story allowed to wander through Thanalan and Ul'dah (and Mor Dhona) unchallenged? According to the lore we are now at the very least hunted by the peace keeping forces in those areas.

The Devs made a decision about how to access the classes. They are the Devs they get to make that decision, weather you and I agree or disagree. To have people cloak it in lore and fudge other parts is a hypocritical to me.
Just a thought and question.

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People like that are the ones who will say SE are doing the right thing regardless, unless MAYBE they themselves are affected heavily. Watch them turn around and change their opinion if SE ever were to actually do it some other way.

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Originally Posted by Rbstr

Where the WoL is an "outsider" to the current Eorzean realms at the start and Au Ra are people which would conceivably be around the continent, but rare-ish, it makes sense that the WoL could be an Au Ra.
But the jobs and their trainers are simply in Ishguard.

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Except astrologians exist in coerthas right now.

Go speak to Forlemort in the observatory and ask him what he does there. Also Merlwyb, the leader of limsa uses a gun and the boss of sastasha hm if i remember. Dark knight is the only one i haven't seen yet.

If you want lore justifications, that's two reasons you can easily have an astrologian job contact in coerthas and a machinist contact in limsa.

But anyway, lore is a reason to restrict content but it's not a very good one since lore is just something the devs made up. They can easily make something else up to justify adding content to their lore. Tv shows do this all the time when they feel a certain plot point needs to be explored.

But in ffxiv terms, look what they did with ninja. "Oh Yugiri is a ninja? Guess what, here at limsa we also have a guild that does the same thing...we just chose not to tell anyone until now."

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Also, i know you're the most wanted person in ul'dah if not eorzea but you can go ahead and stand in plain sight in the immortal flames headquarters because not everyone is against you and i'm sure there's absolutely no chance of someone who is hunting you will walk by the front lobby of the institution that wants you dead.

More than likely the main reason for gating it has little to do with confining to lore and more about something else more practical.