Adding Legacy Tattoo to Mog Station

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Originally Posted by Eisen-Zorn

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If your character was created in 1.0, it should have the tattoo now and thus existed before The Calamity.

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Originally Posted by DreameR7g

If your character was created in 1.0, it should have the tattoo now and thus existed before The Calamity.

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Unless you are playing a 6 year old or younger, all characters existed before the Calamity.

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Originally Posted by Titor

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Very true but the reason for the tattoo is to make us the Legacy Warriors of Light (Pretty much the old guard before we had the new guard come in).

Legacy Campaign

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Legacy_Campaign

including the tattoo was part of the legacy campaign much like the welcome back campaigns being done


during the time it was running you had to be suscribed to the game and paying the then 9.99 amount per month. If players paid for 3 non consecutive months (and completed the quest United We Stand) before the time was over they got the additional legacy status with the chocobo, the name in the credits and the changed cutscenes.

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Originally Posted by Titor

Also can anyone cite these promises? The only ones that I can find online in archives state nothing about one time only, just that players will receive it if certain conditions are met.

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The events leading up to 1.0's closure pretty much say it on their own if you ask me. I mean, the final cutscene of 1.0 is called "End of an Era". That pretty much screams "one time only" to me. The brand/tattoo was given to 1.0 characters that decided to play 2.0; whether you take it as a nod to continuity or a reward for sticking by the game at a dark time is pretty much irrelevant. It was given to 1.0 characters. 1.0 isn't around to be played anymore, so anyone that didn't play before it shut down can't have the brand because they weren't present for those events. You can't just retcon your character in to a backstory that they weren't there for. I don't RP on FFXIV, but I have on other games in the past and sometimes there are just things that you have to accept that you weren't a part of. Why not try to make something interesting out of what you already are?

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Originally Posted by Rannie

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Legacy_Campaign

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Yes, but that is a paraphrased version written by someone not SE, and even then it does not mention once in a lifetime. All of the archives I find relating to it do not say anything about one time only or once in a life time or non repeatable or forever unobtainable in the future, just that they will receive those benefits upon 2.0's launch.

And if the tattoo was really for all 1.0 players then I can see the point being more clear, but since it was restricted to a specific login time, it means little in the way of accomplishments in 1.0 or dedication or commitment. That is the point I am trying to make. I am trying to make the point that it was simply a part of an event (That we currently have cash shop purchases of other one time events, including 1.0 events that no longer make sense in the 2.0 storyline such as the hunter's moon)


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It was not given to all 1.0 players, only those that logged in at a specific time. No quests were required, so one did not even have to see the cutscene to be able to get it.

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Originally Posted by Titor

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The difference being that 1.0 cannot end again. 1.0 doesn't exist anymore. The "End of an Era" event cannot happen again, period.

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Originally Posted by Titor

It was not given to all 1.0 players, only those that logged in at a specific time. No quests were required, so one did not even have to see the cutscene to be able to get it.

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And so? That's completely irrelevant. 1.0 is no longer a thing, therefore the tattoo is no longer obtainable.

Neither can past events, but yet their items are in the cash shop. Hunter moon will not, and cannot happen again, so the item is in the shop. The new years zodiacs will not repeat for a while so they are in the cash shop. Last year's bomb summer event will not happen again, so the bombdance is in the cash shop. This is assuming we stick with linear time in the game.

But if we were really talking about 'repeatability'---
If we do not want it in the cash shop, in a world of magic, timetravel, dimension travel, space travel, cloning, echo, body possession, reincarnation, immortality, and teleportation, I do not see why it would not be possible to do a kickback event that would make a lot of sense in the scope of the lore.

Not to mention that --- it is a tattoo that I could just get tattooed on me at the aesthetician since he can do other tattoos.

*Looks at char's tattoo" - Yeah that's right, you can never have this :). But apparently i think this might be the ONLY thing you can't have that i have from 1.0 (besides a couple mounts) so, get over it.

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Originally Posted by Titor

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that was paraphrased from the official lodestone forums which are now no longer availble due to them changing the servers but that was what it said for the legacy campaign.

it was done for a specified time due to them starting to charge the 1.0 players a sub fee feeling the game was better than it had been since it was launched. it was also done after the subs were put into place like a couple of months and back logged for those who started paying when the subs were put into place

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Originally Posted by Titor

Also can anyone cite these promises? The only ones that I can find online in archives state nothing about one time only, just that players will receive it if certain conditions are met.

Not talking about the full campaign with the credits and lower sub, mind you, but just the tattoo.

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Couldn't have said it better myself. There's your answer, coming from your own post. Nothing more needs be said.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

Couldn't have said it better myself. There's your answer, coming from your own post. Nothing more needs be said.

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The conditions can be met again if there is a kickback event, or more conditions are added. Nothing there was guaranteed as a one time event.

You can all be as rude as you want saying that I will never get it, but I can keep trying and asking for it until the very day this game shuts down. Never know what the future can hold!
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Originally Posted by Titor

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You can keep asking but it is unrealistic to think that SE would return such an event. There is literally no reason for them to actually bring the legacy campaign back, seeing as how this version of the game is thriving. And no, your desires doesn't count as a reason, especially when you got the opposite side of the coin: Offending a chunk of the player base.

Good luck. Tis all I can say~ XD

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Originally Posted by DreameR7g

You can keep asking but it is unrealistic to think that SE would return such an event. There is literally no reason for them to actually bring the legacy campaign back, seeing as how this version of the game is thriving. And no, your desires doesn't count as a reason, especially when you got the opposite side of the coin: Offending a chunk of the player base.

Good luck. Tis all I can say~ XD

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But what about his rp!?

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Originally Posted by Titor

The conditions can be met again if there is a kickback event, or more conditions are added. Nothing there was guaranteed as a one time event.

You can all be as rude as you want saying that I will never get it, but I can keep trying and asking for it until the very day this game shuts down. Never know what the future can hold!
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No one can prove it to you unless they have the email still saved. the original lodestone along with the promise no longer exists. Give up.

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Originally Posted by Edenholt

But what about his rp!?

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I guess he'll just have to keep RP'ing with his shirt on and hope nobody asks him to remove it.

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Originally Posted by Titor

The conditions can be met again if there is a kickback event, or more conditions are added. Nothing there was guaranteed as a one time event.

You can all be as rude as you want saying that I will never get it, but I can keep trying and asking for it until the very day this game shuts down. Never know what the future can hold!
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Yes, this topic has come up multiple times in the past already. Every time, the answer has been the same. Every time, the explanation has been the same. Every time, people have made various arguments, which all boiled down to, "it should happen anyway, because I want it".

You said something in previous posts, alluding to it just being "an event", and if they sell items from other past events, then they should sell the Mark of the Twelve as well.

Seriously?

If you can not distinguish between repeatable Seasonal Events involving bathing suits and yukatas, etc... and one involving the utter destruction of the world as we knew it (the Calamity), the end of the Seventh Umbral Era, and the closing of an entire version of the game... and seriously think they should be treated the same, then you are deep into straw-grasping territory and beyond reasoning with.

One event is kind of very unique. The other, not at all.

To put it another way: SE is not going to have a seasonal "Let's destroy the world" event.

Further, that you have continuously tried to diminish the significance of that event, and what the mark represents, by dismissing it as "just logging in", clearly indicates you neither understand nor appreciate the significance of those events, or the circumstances around them.

Further still, that you feel wanting to pretend (roleplay)your character was there is somehow worthy of equal,or even greater, consideration to having actually been there, underscores it. You clearly don't care about, and happily ignore the established lore of the game. Lore that informs and affects the entire world, the story and everyone in it. And then, you have the temerity to argue about "your RP backstory", as though that's more important?

You've gotten the answer to your request, and you've gotten accurate reasons why. You don't like the answers or the explanations, and that's unfortunate. But it doesn't change anything.

The answer will be the same, every time. The reasons will be the same, every time.

You weren't there. Your character didn't experience the events first-hand. You don't get the Mark. That's all there is to it.

Now, if you want something more official, here's a post by Camate from way back in 2012:
"As you all have been mentioning and speculating (and it was also mentioned during a previous Producer Letter Live!), everyone that is currently playing will have something visible on their characters to show they experienced and fought through the events taking place. We are planning to make this proof something on your body and in case you are not too keen on having this engraved/tattooed on your character, we will be adding an ON/OFF display feature.

I wonder what it’s going to be!http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/i...s/confused.pnghttp://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/i...ilies/cool.png"
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Here's a bit about it, in an article about the Seventh Umbral Era on FF Wiki (under the : "Permanently Missable Items and Achievements" heading)
"After October 31st, 2012, no further player progress was saved and carried over to the new game. Other content, for example all sidequests directly related to the Umbral Era plotline, were available for players to experience for fun, but their completion would not be reflected by the new game's data. Naoki Yoshida also stated that all characters active before said release will have something that will "visually distinguish" them from those that weren't—this took the form of a tattoo on the upper part of the player's back. "
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I remember Yoshi-P talking about it in a live letter and, given enough time, I can find that source, too.

Why do you want an ugly Legacy Tatoo? I want other tatoos able to be put on your body. If you buy a Legacy Tatoo it should just put a big $ sign on the back of your neck.

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Originally Posted by Titor

The conditions can be met again if there is a kickback event, or more conditions are added. Nothing there was guaranteed as a one time event.

You can all be as rude as you want saying that I will never get it, but I can keep trying and asking for it until the very day this game shuts down. Never know what the future can hold!
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Most of the people being rude, are those asking for it. :l

It's pretty ridiculous, like they have to make 1.0 players out to be selfish pricks to prove that they deserve it, even though we didn't make the limitations. It wasn't as though SE was some gullible entity and we went to them and said, "Give us this one time event tattoo!" No, this was something that they decided themselves and they told us this would be an exclusive benefit. So we expect it to remain an exclusive benefit.

This isn't about convincing and demonizing people from 1.0 who want it to remain exclusive, it'd be about convincing SE why it would be a good reason for it to be brought back (none of which I've really seen, those present IE: "RP reasons" I don't agree with). But people in this thread are only interested in the prior, because shit slinging is the only way many know how to communicate.

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

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You deserve a medal.

I wonder if people would be so rigid and against relaxing a little bit about this if he was here demanding legacy characters be shipped back to legacy servers and never allowed to leave?

How about that?

No tattoos for late comers, legacy players on legacy servers only, no cross server chat. Everyone can just mix with "their own" and be happy. Fixed. Just like at launch.

I am sure the tattoo is worth it- it's not about just showing it off to players who can't have it.... so I am sure no one will mind.

Let's all be unreasonable together! (Well at the same time, but on our allotted and segregated servers)

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

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Logical Fallacy. This promotes player bias and an official schism between legacy and 2.0+ players. The legacy players did not and are not preventing anyone else from capitalizing on the opportunity. The opportunity simply no longer exists.

And those who say "Yeah but they can bring it back!" Uh no. They can't. They can make a similar event but it won't be *THAT* event. It's impossible to re-capture that magic because of one critical detail: 1.0 is no longer.

Sorry bro, future players missed out. Get over it.

Edit: The only players being unreasonable at the moment are those who want a special and historic event to be brought back simply because they want it. Selfish.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

I am sure the tattoo is worth it- it's not about just showing it off to players who can't have it.... so I am sure no one will mind.

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If you seriously dislike/resent a person after seeing something that they have, that you don't. It doesn't make them a bad person, it makes you a bad person. I'm not really sure where you are trying to go with your post?

Edit: Are you trying to say that if everyone can't have it, they should be segregated to another server so that you don't have to look at what they have? Because that's pretty ridiculous if so.

http://i.imgur.com/KkE7pzn.gif

I roleplay. I'm on Balmung. What you're failing to understand about rp in general is the fact that some of it? Is based on
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As for you keeping on insisting that we had to log on for us to get the tattoo? NO. You would be incorrect. Once the final data save went through, any character that had been made in 1.0 got carried over to 2.0. When Beta 3 (I think it was 3) happened, my 1.0 data got placed on the live servers, and when open beta hit, I was able to change my character using the new character creation. The only difference from my creating characters now is that their data was not brought over from 1.0 and I had to pick an actual DoW/DoM class to start off with instead of the original Alchemist my character was. Anyone who had made a character in 1.0, even if they decided to not come back to 2.0 in the long run, were eligible to make the legacy character with the tattoo stating that they had been made in 1.0.

I have the original game. I made a character. I may not have played long enough for getting the lowered sub, the chocobo, or my name in the credits. But I still supported the new mmo by buying a copy, installing it, and playing it. You said earlier that you didn't know about it or that SE made mmos. That still does not entitle you to something.

As far as the roleplay thing is concerned, all it takes it "I use a glamour to cover it up because sometimes it attracts the wrong kind of attention," it's actually there and whoever you're currently rping with will have to go back and use their imagination to see its actually there even though it's not. If/when they give you the option for other tattoos in that spot - because it sure as heck isn't going to be the pineapple 1.0 player tattoo - you can use said imagination for it to be the pineapple. That's the beauty of roleplaying. There are some things that limit how you do things, and while yes, having something visible helps but that does not inhibit the use of "My character has the tattoo as well but because I didn't play 1.0/make a character in that time, my character doesn't have it." There are people who do that with no issues. You're going to have to as well until they give us shoulder/neck tattoos for those who don't have the mark of the pineapple. You are not entitled to it just because some people have it and it's in server space, just how I am not entitled to a Dalamud Horn/Original Goobbue mount/Legacy Chocobo because I didn't play 1.0 long enough. I may want them, but I have come to terms with the fact that I will not have them.

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Originally Posted by Fenwick

If you seriously dislike/resent a person after seeing something that they have, that you don't. It doesn't make them a bad person, it makes you a bad person. I'm not really sure where you are trying to go with your post?

Edit: Are you trying to say that if everyone can't have it, they should be segregated to another server so that you don't have to look at what they have? Because that's pretty ridiculous if so.

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I am saying that I have a character with the tattoo- and the arguments against others having it that have been brought up have been either:

1. Based on a misunderstanding of what it took to get it -or-
2. Been feeble special snowflake arguments

How about this- The character that I play doesn't have the tattoo because I didn't want to play on a legacy server (where he resides)- now legacy players can get onto other servers- boohoo, that shouldn't be allowed. We were told that legacy players would be on their own servers at launch and then they let them run off to other servers... they lied!

My issue is that SE has changed position on MANY things, and I have yet to see a compelling reason why this isn't something that can be shared... especially since it wasn't part of the legacy deal you had to qualify for to get the legacy account. It's the only tattoo in the game for chars, and new players can't get tattoos. That is really awful.

At least they should make a whole set of tattoos for players - and then they could choose which one/s they want.

I don't think it would be a big deal if it wasn't a whole type of customization that new players can't get... it isn't just one option out of many, like if it was a hair style instead of a tattoo.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

At least they should make a whole set of tattoos for players - and then they could choose which one/s they want.

I don't think it would be a big deal if it wasn't a whole type of customization that new players can't get... it isn't just one option out of many, like if it was a hair style instead of a tattoo.

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Some NPC hairstyles are NPC locked. Generally, SE gives us something similar. I have NO ISSUE with other styled tattoos available on a characters shoulder blades. It's something that can be done, I'd be cool with that for my other characters because it's more customization. Same with more battle scars or whatnot on other places on a body beyond the face. I'd love that! But treat the 1.0 brand as something NPC locked that you get something similar for.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

I am saying that I have a character with the tattoo- and the arguments against others having it that have been brought up have been either:
2. Been feeble special snowflake arguments

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Yes, they are special snowflakes. They played 1.0 and got their tattoo. Some are even specialler snowflakes and got legacy status. This isn't a bad thing and puts value and MEANING to items (and when it comes to 1.0, there is a huge meaning... those people who stuck through a failing game). People say that items don't have any meaning anymore, and it's no surprise when something is out of someones grasp (be it a limited event or hard content) they QQ to the devs to give it to them.

Those who want it so badly should have played 1.0.

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Originally Posted by rainichan

Some NPC hairstyles are NPC locked. Generally, SE gives us something similar. I have NO ISSUE with other styled tattoos available on a characters shoulder blades. It's something that can be done, I'd be cool with that for my other characters because it's more customization. Same with more battle scars or whatnot on other places on a body beyond the face. I'd love that! But treat the 1.0 brand as something NPC locked that you get something similar for.

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Well, frankly- even the char I have with the tattoo- I would like the option to change it to something else.. because I also happen to think the 1.0 looks completely stupid. Like something an idiot got while they were drunk.

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Originally Posted by Magis

Yes, they are special snowflakes. They played 1.0 and got their tattoo. Some are even specialler snowflakes and got legacy status. This isn't a bad thing and puts value and MEANING to items (and when it comes to 1.0, there is a huge meaning... those people who stuck through a failing game). People say that items don't have any meaning anymore, and it's no surprise when something is out of someones grasp (be it a limited event or hard content) they QQ to the devs to give it to them.

Those who want it so badly should have played 1.0.

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The above comment just demonstrates #1.

My friend's character has the stupid thing and he didn't pay a cent in subscription and hated 1.0. I had to beg him to give 2.0 a chance. Whole lot of MEANING there- it means he bought a garbage game. It's a symbol of being ripped off to some people, you know and not a GOOD reminder.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

I am saying that I have a character with the tattoo- and the arguments against others having it that have been brought up have been either:

1. Based on a misunderstanding of what it took to get it -or-
2. Been feeble special snowflake arguments

How about this- The character that I play doesn't have the tattoo because I didn't want to play on a legacy server (where he resides)- now legacy players can get onto other servers- boohoo, that shouldn't be allowed. We were told that legacy players would be on their own servers at launch and then they let them run off to other servers... they lied!

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They didn't lie actually, it was made known that server locks were temporary from the start. As for the rest of it, that's merely a perception issue, time to accept that what others consider relevant might be different from what you consider relevant and this doesn't make them special snowflakes.

Just because you don't find something compelling, doesn't mean it's invalid or wrong.

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

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This person explains things pretty coherently, especially further down the post where Yoshi himself details exactly what the marking is supposed to accomplish. It is accomplishing what it was originally intended for. You're too caught up in demonizing people defending this point, instead of making a coherent argument yourself.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

Well, frankly- even the char I have with the tattoo- I would like the option to change it to something else.. because I also happen to think the 1.0 looks completely stupid. Like something an idiot got while they were drunk.



The above comment just demonstrates #1.

My friend's character has the stupid thing and he didn't pay a cent in subscription and hated 1.0. I had to beg him to give 2.0 a chance. Whole lot of MEANING there- it means he bought a garbage game. It's a symbol of being ripped off to some people, you know and not a GOOD reminder.

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Did I say you had to beat anything? You just had to play the game. Guess what, people didn't, people didn't even give it a chance, so they didn't get a tattoo. Tough luck.

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Originally Posted by Fenwick

Just because you don't find something compelling, doesn't mean it's invalid or wrong.

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Fine, it's not invalid or wrong- it is, however petty

Anyway - see above - lots of tattoo options are better than just one ugly one, anyway. I would think anyone could RP just fine with whatever tattoo they want if we are able to select.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

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It isn't petty to explain why something is unavailable. It IS petty to break everyone down and express opinions as fact when they just are a viewpoint.

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Originally Posted by DreameR7g

It isn't petty to explain why something is unavailable. It IS petty to break everyone down and express opinions as fact when they just are a viewpoint.

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It is petty to actively block someone from options of customization because it may threaten a person's real or imagined sense of exclusivity or in the case of some posts outright blatant and outrageous claims of virtue and sole reason for this game existing. (Without even discussing alternative compromise options- some people just come in and blast the OP with self righteous nonsense)

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

It is petty to actively block someone from options of customization because it may threaten a person's real or imagined sense of exclusivity or in the case of some posts outright blatant and outrageous claims of virtue and sole reason for this game existing.

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People with the marking are not blocking anything. SE set the conditions behind getting it, many players do not meet these conditions. It is not an imagined sense of exclusivity, it literally is exclusivity and that is how it was designed.

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Originally Posted by Fenwick

People with the marking are not blocking anything. SE set the conditions behind getting it, many players do not meet these conditions.

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Other options have been presented in this thread...and let us not pretend that SE doesn't make or unmake rules/conditions/terms as they see fit.

"SE said so" is not an excuse... SE can unsay or change whatever they want.... or are we all going to pretend that everything SE has said has been true, done as it was claimed, or never changed?

Really?

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

Other options have been presented in this thread...

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None of which I (and many) agree with, the only thing I can agree with is more tattoo options in general. What was designed and advertised as exclusive, should remain exclusive. But if players want other tattoos, they should have that option.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

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You're right, however, the legacy tattoo is not a feasible option of customization. It simply is not available and will not be available ever again.

Really, the OP got blasted because he outright openly insulted the entire legacy cluster saying "He did not care" how they felt and just because he wanted it, it should happen. That isn't realistic. Also, it is a fact that without the 1.0 supporters, 2.0 wouldn't have been created. SE has openly confirmed this via the Legacy Campaign as a thank you.

Edit: And yes, SE COULD change it whenever they want. But for a successful business, they need to weigh if its worth insulting a block of the fanbase just to make a small portion happy. Is it worth the risk? Logic dictates: No.

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Originally Posted by Fenwick

None of which I (and many) agree with, the only thing I can agree with is more tattoo options in general. What was designed and advertised as exclusive, should remain exclusive. But if players want other tattoos, they should have that option.

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I think that is a pretty good solution, though - don't you? Tattoo options... one tattoo design is the legacy locked design, but there are lots of others to choose from.

Lord knows I wouldn't choose the fugly legacy one, anyway!

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

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Yeah and thats one idea I personally would get behind :) More tattoo options!