With airships and chocobos take away teleporting!

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Originally Posted by Symon17

This comment proves that gameplay and content should really have priority over changing how people travel. You are an advocate for limiting teleportation, yet you say here that If there were events and rewards for people who walk that teleporters miss out on, teleporting wouldn't be as much of an issue.

I can't speak for the others in favor of anima, but this is the base of my argument. I'm not against the concept of traveling, I'm against long boring travel in this empty world. The sad truth is that having anima hasn't and won't kill this game, the game itself is responsible for that. People don't play games that aren't fun, simple as that.


Also in response to this, it's important to remember that this small argument in this thread is not an accurate representation of the games population. Just because there are only three people on this side here does not reflect how many people who play and their opinions.

Also keep in mind that these forums tend to attract the more hardcore/"I enjoy when games punish me" type of player, from my experience. The more laidback gamers might not see this, but that doesn't mean they aren't out there playing.

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IMO id be fine with limiting anima but for people with time management issues I've come up with some other options, like starting out with 30 anima and questing for 100+ more anima, or leaving it the way it is and in new areas dont include anima but instead a different type of travel. I hadn't though about the idea posted and i agreed with it but sadly after thinking about It the reward would have to be HUGE or people would still skip it to teleport everywhere which would end the game in a sad and lonely burning fire.

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Originally Posted by Crica

So, 6 anima a day is horribly implemented?

Because when someone other then you uses 6 anima a day, somehow, someway, your gaming goes to hell?

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in effect i could use 30 anima a day and still have 94 anima at all times (because I have friends with anima as well), just because you suck at using anima doesn't mean everyone is. The someway it goes to hell is servers being turned off because everyone has finished the game and have nothing else to do resulting in no subs. I think I and others have pointed this out like 200 times now. we have no content now so why are you against any suggestion to adding content? even to GAIN more then 100 anima?

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Originally Posted by Morticous

IMO id be fine with limiting anima but for people with time management issues I've come up with some other options, like starting out with 30 anima and questing for 100+ more anima, or leaving it the way it is and in new areas dont include anima but instead a different type of travel. I hadn't though about the idea posted and i agreed with it but sadly after thinking about It the reward would have to be HUGE or people would still skip it to teleport everywhere which would end the game in a sad and lonely burning fire.

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Mort. The reality is that the people who teleport a lot would by default has less Anima. It works itself out. At just 6 Anima a day frequent teleporting would leave the gamer Animaless.

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Originally Posted by Morticous

The someway it goes to hell is servers being turned off because everyone has finished the game and have nothing else to do resulting in no subs.

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Can add PLENTY of game content WITHOUT removing/restricting anima from 6 a day.

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Originally Posted by Morticous

in effect i could use 30 anima a day and still have 94 anima at all times (because I have friends with anima as well), just because you suck at using anima doesn't mean everyone is. The someway it goes to hell is servers being turned off because everyone has finished the game and have nothing else to do resulting in no subs. I think I and others have pointed this out like 200 times now. we have no content now so why are you against any suggestion to adding content? even to GAIN more then 100 anima?

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Again. Teleporting works itself out and the folks leaving the game would not and are not leaving because of teleporting frequently. The link that you are creating between the two is not applicable.

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Originally Posted by geniusprime

Mort. The reality is that the people who teleport a lot would by default has less Anima. It works itself out. At just 6 Anima a day frequent teleporting would leave the gamer Animaless.

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all you have to do is admit your a teleport whore and that part of the conversation will be over. I'm just imaging someone teleporting all day long, i cant imagine how someone could run out of anima otherwise.

@circa - in the option being discussed, its not restricted, you just have to do a simple quest to gain more space for anima, its content when we have none, and before you say you would rather them put in good and fun content, me too, but ive seen nothing but trash so far so any suggestion at this point is as good or better then what we've got to work with so far.

anima regen aside guys, does it really make sense for 0 anima returns?

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Originally Posted by geniusprime

Again. Teleporting works itself out and the folks leaving the game would not and are not leaving because of teleporting frequently. The link that you are creating between the two is not applicable.

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its not that they are telporting frequently is how fast we are able to travel right now, it leads to finishing more in less time resulting in either the need for content to be added at a faster pace then once every 3 months or traveling slowed down a bit or else (other then you 2 hour a day players) people are going to finish this game very quickly and have nothing left to do.

And please keep in mind that when i said every 3 months i forgot that the content we have been getting is trash like van sized squirrels so that doesn't even count.

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Originally Posted by Morticous

all you have to do is admit your a teleport whore and that part of the conversation will be over. I'm just imaging someone teleporting all day long, i cant imagine how someone could run out of anima otherwise.

@circa - in the option being discussed, its not restricted, you just have to do a simple quest to gain more space for anima, its content when we have none, and before you say you would rather them put in good and fun content, me too, but ive seen nothing but trash so far so any suggestion at this point is as good or better then what we've got to work with so far.

anima regen aside guys, does it really make sense for 0 anima returns?

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And there I thought you were starting to be reasonable. OK. You have made your point, in that if you cannot be reason with you either avoid the topic or become uneccessarily aggressive. Its funny that I am a teleport whore when at this very moment I have 100 anima and I don't have folks teleporting me ANYWHERE.

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Originally Posted by Morticous

IMO id be fine with limiting anima but for people with time management issues I've come up with some other options, like starting out with 30 anima and questing for 100+ more anima, or leaving it the way it is and in new areas dont include anima but instead a different type of travel. I hadn't though about the idea posted and i agreed with it but sadly after thinking about It the reward would have to be HUGE or people would still skip it to teleport everywhere which would end the game in a sad and lonely burning fire.

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Well I don't think it would have to be huge in a tangible sense. It would just have to be engaging. I don't completely disagree with your points, and what's funny is I think in a vague way we're looking for the same thing. I know that I don't want to see teleporting reduced or removed just yet. But at the same time, If chocobos ever are implemented I would like to use those, and I'd like a real incentive to use them over teleporting. I just don't feel that jumping straight to restricting a player's option is the best fix to an issue like this.

I think it's safe to say that a good amount of players would like more content, why not make it that there are certain quests that can only be started if a randomly spawned npc is found while running from here to there. These quests can involve fighting certain mobs that normally couldn't be found, or can reward untradable items with great stats or benefits. Why not have secret areas such as caves that have a chance of holding chests inside. Instead of forcing people to run and waste time while not having fun, why not make it so that traveling itself IS fun. I think there are a lot of ways to encourage traveling without making it hard for those without the time.

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Originally Posted by Morticous

its not that they are telporting frequently is how fast we are able to travel right now, it leads to finishing more in less time resulting in either the need for content to be added at a faster pace then once every 3 months or traveling slowed down a bit or else (other then you 2 hour a day players) people are going to finish this game very quickly and have nothing left to do.

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There is nothing to do at the moment and the game has been online for 10 months. People left because the game is incomplete. People left because of the timesinks everywhere. People left because the UI is cumbersome. People left because of the battle system. People left because the world is bland, monotonous and boring. I've yet to see some state that they left because they finished the game due to teleporting making the game easier to finish or any relating to finishing the game.

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Originally Posted by Symon17

I think there are a lot of ways to encourage traveling without making it hard for those without the time.

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I told him this...

PLENTY of ways to add game content for him to drool over w/o even TOUCHING anima...

I wish I could "like" your post many more times then once!

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Originally Posted by Symon17

Well I don't think it would have to be huge in a tangible sense. It would just have to be engaging. I don't completely disagree with your points, and what's funny is I think in a vague way we're looking for the same thing. I know that I don't want to see teleporting reduced or removed just yet. But at the same time, If chocobos ever are implemented I would like to use those, and I'd like a real incentive to use them over teleporting. I just don't feel that jumping straight to restricting a player's option is the best fix to an issue like this.

I think it's safe to say that a good amount of players would like more content, why not make it that there are certain quests that can only be started if a randomly spawned npc is found while running from here to there. These quests can involve fighting certain mobs that normally couldn't be found, or can reward untradable items with great stats or benefits. Why not have secret areas such as caves that have a chance of holding chests inside. Instead of forcing people to run and waste time while not having fun, why not make it so that traveling itself IS fun. I think there are a lot of ways to encourage traveling without making it hard for those without the time.

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I've already said I agree with that, it just has to be a good enough reason to keep people traveling instead of not caring about the random events and just resort to teleporting. its sort of the same situation with chocobos and airships, why in the world would you bother paying for either one of those and taking the time to use it when you could just teleport in an instance to any corner of the world? At this point the incentive is not great enough to bothering with chocobo/airship when its just as easy if not easier to teleport anywhere you want go..

@geniusPrime - I was wrong to say YOU when i was actually just generalizing the population of people who spend their entire day teleporting. Sorry.

Your last post is stupid, nobody would look at the obvious, the way they will see it is that it was quick and easy and they finished it.. not that teleporting made it too quick. BTW I'm not only talking about now also talking about the future of the game.

Mort, I hope you realise by now that I am not in strong disagreement to some of your points just the basis of people leaving the game as result of teleporting frequently causing them to finish the game is not really valid. The other reasons stated, I can agree with (might be a one or two that I may disagree with) but that specific one hold no merit independent of perspective.

I do understand that running out of stuff to do makes the game uninteresting and may cause people to leave but that is a different issue all together which still has to be addressed by the devs.

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Originally Posted by geniusprime

Mort, I hope you realise by now that I am not in strong disagreement to some of your points just the basis of people leaving the game as result of teleporting frequently causing them to finish the game is not really valid. The other reasons stated, I can agree with (might be a one or two that I may disagree with) but that specific one hold no merit independent of perspective.

I do understand that running out of stuff to do makes the game uninteresting and may cause people to leave but that is a different issue all together which still has to be addressed by the devs.

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I guess i dont see how giving somone a way to finish a game 10x quicker is not a valid reason for people to become bored with finished content faster?

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Originally Posted by Crica

I told him this...

PLENTY of ways to add game content for him to drool over w/o even TOUCHING anima...

I wish I could "like" your post many more times then once!

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Hey thanks. I'd like to see more productive threads where people can collectively brainstorm and potentially fix a lot of the issues with the game. It seems like emotion usually wins out over progress though :p

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Originally Posted by Skeloton

edit: Btw does Limsa havea airship dock? or is it one of those locked off places?

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The Limsa and Ul'dah airship docks exist in the game world but are currently inaccessible. They will be accessed from the city's elevator/lift as an additional floor you can select from the menu.

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Originally Posted by Morticous

I guess i dont see how giving somone a way to finish a game 10x quicker is not a valid reason for people to become bored with finished content faster?

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Mort, you are Rank 43 and you can't honestly believe that.

I really hate teleporting. It makes me feel like I'm playing on a private server where I can type a command and poof go anywhere I want like a GM. Seriously, chocobos and airships, this is supposed to be a Final Fantasy game.

How about an equipable item like an "Aetherite Ring" (perhaps crafted) that has 5-10 charges with a 60 minute cooldown? It would need to be recharged either by an NPC or a crafter. It could start out with few charges but can be upgraded with Materia or replaced with a higher lvl Ring/Earring/Necklace.

You would still need to "Attune" it to the Aetherites by visiting them (on foot) initially.

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Originally Posted by geniusprime

Mort, you are Rank 43 and you can't honestly believe that.

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well im only rank 43 because everyone quit and I got bored, i'm not really talking about the way the game stands right now, im talking more the future of the game. I personally am more of a casual player myself because I'm lazy and want to sit in town and talk with people more then i actually want to run back and forth completing the entire game (or doing gawd awful leves). In the 9 years I played FFXI i only got to like level 73 whm partly because i didnt have the time to dedicate like everyone else who seemed to be on 24 hours but I also like to explore and just socialize. All my friends where always 10 steps ahead of me. The majority of people always have and will finish the content before me. Look at all the people that rush to 50 ASAP and then just run around basically saying "look at me im super cool and rank 50 mwa hahahaha", Happens all the time.

BTW i just wanted to mention i think it was rinsui or renshi that mentioned when i hit 300 posts my heart will explode, i think it did, and now i'm dead. :D

Porting should stay but i think paying for it from a Npc is better. just so we can get rid of the influx of gil in the game. i have 20 mil SE i need something to spend it on....

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Originally Posted by Morticous

well im only rank 43 because everyone quit and I got bored, i'm not really talking about the way the game stands right now, im talking more the future of the game. I personally am more of a casual player myself because I'm lazy and want to sit in town and talk with people more then i actually want to run back and forth completing the entire game (or doing gawd awful leves). In the 9 years I played FFXI i only got to like level 73 whm partly because i didnt have the time to dedicate like everyone else who seemed to be on 24 hours but I also like to explore and just socialize. All my friends where always 10 steps ahead of me. The majority of people always have and will finish the content before me. Look at all the people that rush to 50 ASAP and then just run around basically saying "look at me im super cool and rank 50 mwa hahahaha", Happens all the time.

BTW i just wanted to mention i think it was rinsui or renshi that mentioned when i hit 300 posts my heart will explode, i think it did, and now i'm dead. :D

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Looking at the future, the game should pivot itself on not only content but enjoyable content that gamers would enjoy replaying. Relying entirely "new" content especially in MMOs is more of the same just a new skin. This is fine but there should be gameplay mechanics that are dynamic enough to make each experience different and enjoyable so that gamers are willing to part take of these quests,leves (whatever you want to call) more than just once. So that whether you "finish" the game or not you are still interested in playing because its simply fun. It seems as though many are forgetting the reason we play games. Its for fun. Well thats the reason I play....... maybe different for others, hopefully others don't play for displeasure.

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Originally Posted by geniusprime

Looking at the future, the game should pivot itself on not only content but enjoyable content that gamers would enjoy replaying. Relying entirely "new" content especially in MMOs is more of the same just a new skin. This is fine but there should be gameplay mechanics that are dynamic enough to make each experience different and enjoyable so that gamers are willing to part take of these quests,leves (whatever you want to call) more than just once. So that whether you "finish" the game or not you are still interested in playing because its simply fun. It seems as though many are forgetting the reason we play games. Its for fun. Well thats the reason I play....... maybe different for others, hopefully others don't play for displeasure.

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well shit, the levels and quest we have right now aren't going to keep anybody around, they are awful, the main story line is way to spread out, that trash needs to be fixed ASAP. I think the only thing that is keeping anyone around right now is 1. its an FF title and or 2. their friends are still playing. I personally think questing for anima would be fun and make sense, but i guess that's just me.

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Originally Posted by Morticous

well shit, the levels and quest we have right now aren't going to keep anybody around, they are awful, the main story line is way to spread out, that trash needs to be fixed ASAP. I think the only thing that is keeping anyone around right now is 1. its an FF title and or 2. their friends are still playing. I personally think questing for anima would be fun and make sense, but i guess that's just me.

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Well its probably just me but questing for Anima seems counter productive. I prefer questing for something a bit more tangible. :)

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the main story line is way to spread out

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Not to go off topic but.. I feel even tho there are rank req for the missions XI felt the same way they had rank req but you just didn't notice them...Wanna fight shadowlord get to level 60! Alot of games are guilty of this making the invisible level caps so it did not bother me much.

Let's look at all the traveling options other than standard running.

I) Anima

A. Have access to 100 anima.

a. 6 anima to location outside current zone.

b. 4 anima to location within current zone.

c. 2 anima to location favored.

-Three locations can be favored.

d. 1 anima to gate.

e. 1 anima to return to previous location.

B. Regenerates automatically.

a. Receive 1 anima per 4 hours.

C. Have access to teleport to any of the 87 camps or gates.

D. Have access to teleport or receive teleport from anyone.

a. Have access to be teleported to location previously unvisited.

II) Chocobo - To be determined

A. Shortens running time at least by half.

B. Accessible through gil.

C. Breeding and Raising.

III) Airships - To be determined

A. Have access to the city states.

B. Have access to the ports located throughout zones.

C. Accessible through gil.

IV) Misc.

A. Spells, traits, and equipment that increase movement speed.

a. Quickening spell granted by GM at Camp Horizon.

b. Hermes' Shoes

Once more, not everything listed has been implemented or confirmed. That being said, there are enough viable options regarding transportation, certainly in the future, that warrant alterations to the current system.

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Originally Posted by geniusprime

Well its probably just me but questing for Anima seems counter productive. I prefer questing for something a bit more tangible. :)

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All they have to do is call it a secret magic that lets you move about the world in seconds but you must quest to learn such a magic, bam, I already created some of the text for the quest! Then all the PS3 players who start playing would think.. that actually sounds cool, im bored of walking back and forth i'm going to do this quest! and they could add in NPCs to teleport you for people who dont want to quest for it at all, its just gonna cost you some gil. they could do all this AND give incentive to walk, all of it is just more things to keep me occupied in my opinion. THEN i could quest for anima and use it when i want and also still have incentive to walk.. when i want! Now I've got two more things to do in game then i have now!!!!!!!!!! just an idea, i think anima could be more creative with more story behind it.

Just give me something to do so i don't have to post on this stupid forum anymore.

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Originally Posted by Firon

Not to go off topic but.. I feel even tho there are rank req for the missions XI felt the same way they had rank req but you just didn't notice them...Wanna fight shadowlord get to level 60! Alot of games are guilty of this making the invisible level caps so it did not bother me much.

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it makes sense to have them but i just dont feel the same way about the missions in FFXI as i do about them in this game, but it could also be because I had tons more too do instea dof the same stupid ass leve with a bogus 1 paragraph story. why are the people offering the leves lives in constant turmoil anyways? jeeze.

I think it would be really dumb to take any features away. Easy way around the problem as a player is don't use it if you don't want to and from a designer viewpoint make it simple as you can only get a Chocobo from main cities and ports maybe unless those use the choco coaches. They are making leves focus for solo play so big groups won't be porting to and from camps so much in the near future. Plus I am sure if you have to travel to the dungeon on feet it will be quicker to grab a bird and take shortcuts near town to get to point B from point A without having to port to point C. I am sure they will even it out to make it fair and make it where other forms of travel aren't obsolete.

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why are the people offering the leves lives in constant turmoil anyways? jeeze.

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Cause that's what they pay adventure's to do. Solve their problems!

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Originally Posted by Firon

Cause that's what they pay adventure's to do. Solve their problems!

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i dont think they are paying the right adventurers because they end up paying me again to do the same exact thing a few hours later when leves reset :p

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Originally Posted by Synapse

20mins+, where the hell is that, even uldah to camp tranquil doesnt take 20 mins... do people even play this game anymore? like i said before from one end of Thanalan to the the rend barely takes 15 mins. I think people are misleaded by the exaggerated map in this game, have any of you seen the speed of your cursor on the map move when u run?

If you need anima to travel to Horizon, Drybone, Bluefog from uldah, where all within 7-10 mins,... sry it seems you used anima way too much and let ur imagination run wild.

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Usually I like to leave my thoughts on a topic and call it a day, but this is too abrasive to not reply to.

If the topic was that people teleport a zone away too often, I'd understand why you're getting antagonistic with me - but the OP suggests ditching anima entirely. "Do people even play this game anymore?" ... Do people even read the topics they're replying to?

I'm thinking more along the lines of a solid night of NM hunting. Glory to Nophica to Bald Knoll to Glory etc. etc. etc. That walk, does indeed, take longer than 20 minutes.

Thus, I defend Anima's existence for all players even after we get from city to city on ships and city to camp on chocoback. I use this example because it's a common occurrence in large groups and not something as seldomly traversed as a storyline quest. That would take a long time to walk through, however people advising to suck it up and walk would have a better chance of being taken seriously than someone claiming a full party of 8 shouldn't have the ability to make it from NM to NM in a timely fashion by sharing the teleportation costs. That's just how this game works and I, for one, enjoy that fact.

As much as I love a lively debate, calling my response to the OP out and arguing against it with irrelevant nonsense about how some players can't be bothered to walk from a city to its own camps gives me no discussionly inclination but to tell you to shut the $%*# up.

anima = POS
airship and chocobo will be better. they can bring back warp/teleport spells and scrolls

10 pages later and still cheerleading...

the average human being spends a time of 75DAYS on the toilet taking a dump in his life time...... i don't want to spend double that running around in this game when i don't need to be. Content is king ...ty.

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Usually I like to leave my thoughts on a topic and call it a day, but this is too abrasive to not reply to.

If the topic was that people teleport a zone away too often, I'd understand why you're getting antagonistic with me - but the OP suggests ditching anima entirely. "Do people even play this game anymore?" ... Do people even read the topics they're replying to?

I'm thinking more along the lines of a solid night of NM hunting. Glory to Nophica to Bald Knoll to Glory etc. etc. etc. That walk, does indeed, take longer than 20 minutes.

Thus, I defend Anima's existence for all players even after we get from city to city on ships and city to camp on chocoback. I use this example because it's a common occurrence in large groups and not something as seldomly traversed as a storyline quest. That would take a long time to walk through, however people advising to suck it up and walk would have a better chance of being taken seriously than someone claiming a full party of 8 shouldn't have the ability to make it from NM to NM in a timely fashion by sharing the teleportation costs. That's just how this game works and I, for one, enjoy that fact.

As much as I love a lively debate, calling my response to the OP out and arguing against it with irrelevant nonsense about how some players can't be bothered to walk from a city to its own camps gives me no discussionly inclination but to tell you to shut the $%*# up.

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Haha, "Do people even read the topics they're replying to?" sadly your one of those that saw the title and jump to the last few pages i assume, if u follow the thread from start, you would know that many ppl wanted to cap maximum unlike how the OP wanted, none of my responses(from the start to end) was never about complete eradication of the anima system but to limit it.

The discussion further raged on because people were complaining about going to near by camps(skull valley horizon etc), no one in right mind would walk all the way to Camp Glory or Emrald Moss to get to the NMs. Like i stated many times Teleport should be used for longer distance travel like Coerthas and Mor Dhona, not camp you could get to within 5-12 mins.

Again if your too busy to go back and properly read the entire thread, i can safely say main topic in the last 30 pages about limiting it not eradicating it.

The idea of limits doesn't really bug me - though it is limited to begin with. I just don't think it's going to be something people even think about after alternative forms of transportation are around. Who is really going to be sitting around saying things like, "Look at all this Anima I've got. They should really take it away just in case I'm tempted to not walk anywhere." I haven't been under 80 in the entire time I've been in the game - but I like having the option to just blow it all on sightseeing and story quests if I feel like it.

I'm amazed by all of the passion spent arguging over something that doesn't affect people and is easy to adjust to regardless of what players who aren't you are doing. If a player only logs in for a few hours and doesn't want to waste time walking, fine with me. If I feel like walking, I do - why would I waste my time bitching about how easy it is for Mr. Casual to get around? It doesn't affect me in the slightest.

Please give a good reason why teleporting should be taken away? I teleport hardly ever, but recently I have been doing it since I have been frustrated walking around, as soon as I dipped to 79-83 I stopped and continued walking again. If I am some where far in gridania, (already a maze) there is a chance I am not going to be near a chocobo npc, I may want to teleport/return to another camp, for 1 anima, or teleport to gridania and only waste 2 anima, if this is gone then it will cause more stress, removing it is stupid.

What the devs should do is increase the amount of anima given per reset.

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Originally Posted by Etienn

Please give a good reason why teleporting should be taken away? I teleport hardly ever, but recently I have been doing it since I have been frustrated walking around, as soon as I dipped to 79-83 I stopped and continued walking again. If I am some where far in gridania, (already a maze) there is a chance I am not going to be near a chocobo npc, I may want to teleport/return to another camp, for 1 anima, or teleport to gridania and only waste 2 anima, if this is gone then it will cause more stress, removing it is stupid.

What the devs should do is increase the amount of anima given per reset.

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Maybe im crazy but, why not just take it out all together in the sense that we can teleport anytime we want? Then there is no need to regenerate more of it per reset right?

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Originally Posted by weeble

the average human being spends a time of 75DAYS on the toilet taking a dump in his life time...... i don't want to spend double that running around in this game when i don't need to be. Content is king ...ty.

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I agree, I fancy myself a casual pooper and as such I would like to install a toilet in my couch.