"Oh my sweet summer child"? LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Penthea
Btw my logic is "without concrete evidence we can't say one way or another, and almost nobody anti parser is bringing anything more than anecdotes and assumptions."
Maybe you should try some optimism. It's better than all the cynical self hatred that permeates social media and modern western culture. Or you can keep being edgy Madame "One Feature Destroys Gaming Communities" without an ounce of concrete proof. Your logic seems to be "if it happened to me and a few randies on the internet it must be the standard".
I also love the implication that implementing a parser is as much effort as designing a whole new dungeon. Though considering most are copypasta trash boss trash boss trash boss...maybe it is.
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08-13-2017, 10:09 AMDualgunner
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08-13-2017, 10:25 AMPentheaI said I was done here but I think it might be useful for you to know this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dualgunner
ACT is very limited. You cannot get very detailed parsing results from it due to the nature of how it gets its information from the game (information that is designed to not be easily obtainable by third party software) and the limited information in the combat log. Compared to the information available with WoW parsers (as well as ease of use), ACT is pretty terrible.
WoW was intentionally created with the option for players to easily use third party add-ons, so as a result almost everything that happens in the game can be easily tracked and the combat log is very detailed. FFXIV was obviously not created with third party software in mind and the combat log doesn't display absolutely everything that happens, but instead what SE decided players should know.
If SE introduce an in-game parser they would have to increase what the combat log tracks, as well as create a system that feeds this information into a ui. Anyone playing XIV for long enough knows many relics of 1.0 remain and for all we know one of those could be something that makes introducing an in-game parser very difficult or even impossible (an argument often used for limited housing plots). Furthermore it would take a very long time to develop something as detailed as what you can get with WoW. You literally can upload logs from WoW and get detail right down to where players were standing in the fight.
So yea introducing a parser could potentially be very complicated unless it is extremely basic. But then threads like this would get replaced by other threads asking for more detailed logs.
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08-13-2017, 10:28 AMDualgunner
It gets enough information for FFLogs to create a near perfect replay of the events of a fight down to position on the arena. FFLogs reads all the info I need from a parser already, so as basic as ACT is I see no reason to need more.
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08-13-2017, 11:33 AMakaneakkiOh yeah! Tbh the community was better just because duty finder wasnt a thing. I liked you was only stuck with people on your own server and you had to know people to get shit done. That alone I miss a lot. Great days!! How long did you play the game btw? And there is other things I could list up. FFXI was just a better social game tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Laurawrzz
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08-13-2017, 12:13 PMLaurawrzzAround four years for me - I started very young just before ToAU, and then left for good just after Abyssea, so about 4/5 years. How long did you play? I was a WHM main Taru on Hades :DQuote:
Originally Posted by akaneakki
What made FF11 work communally I think was the requirement that you had to - *gasp* - talk to people. People who you'd then spend a good few hours with. When you needed to leave, you'd have the courtesy to find a replacement for yourself, and you'd usually wait for them to arrive before you left so you didn't interrupt the flow of the PT. Without a social construction on FF14, you can run dungeons without speaking and people can disappear easily. On this game, duty finder PTs only ever seem to talk when things go wrong and people get annoyed and start mud slinging. These days for me, most of the 'heated' discussions seem to stem from comments from people staring furiously at their parsers.
This game is just DPS obsessed and now people have 'facts and figures' to use against other people, freely available online and shared without the other player's consent, and in many cases, without the other player's knowledge. I just don't see it as healthy for a community in any shape or form to have this mentality or for the community to be condoning this as normal behaviour. -
08-13-2017, 12:56 PMGreedaloxPlaying FFXI from Zilart, I saw a lot of groups break apart/reform without underperforming members/kick members flat out over many many many years. XI was not devoid of this mentality that you say plagues XIV but not XI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Laurawrzz
Talk to Dragoons back in the day about how much they were appreciated for their dazzling personality outside of one specific BCNM that happened to be weak to piercing damage. SMN were in a similar boat short of maybe Predator Claws in the 75 days. Talk to the slow paced exp parties that broke apart after 15 minutes when someone realised it wasn't worth 2k exp an hour to make a terrible DPS happy.
XI did force you to talk to people, but that didn't make it devoid of DPS-centric thought processes when assembling (Or breaking them apart) teams.
People in MMO's often like to know they're doing well-carrying their own weight.
All of this without a parser. Maybe parsers aren't the root of the problem and it's just a scenario of dicks will be dicks. -
08-13-2017, 01:14 PMakaneakkiStarted around 04 early 05 and ended it around 08. so 3-4 years. I loved ToAU, was really good, specially odin wandering around! haha. Anyways, I think you might be ''wrong'' on this one. I see where you come from since we both been playing it, right? Now, the thing about the game (your statement) is that it's all about parsing and parsing and numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Laurawrzz
The difference between a dungeon on FF14 and vs ff11 leveling is that FF11 you was stuck with a group on your own server, the combat system was a lot slower. However you did breaks on FF11, just like you did hours of merit party and then you took 10-15 min break unless you wanted to go hard. in FF14 its duty finder, you want in and out fast, just as you wanted to level up in 11. I was always hyped about JP players wanted to invite me for their groups, since they know their shit on that game, so it was all good. However, in this game it's in and out fast. The social aspect and how the game is built in ff14 doesn't ''allow'' you to be as social as FF1. This is nothing to do with parsers. Keep in mind if you google moogle xmas event giveway reddit, you will see few post about my FC doing huge giveaway and gathering hundreds of players 2 years a row for xmas. This is what the game can offer in social aspects, however in combats you just can't type mid fight and if you did you would mostlikely stand in an aoe or lose dmg, in FF11 you could which is a whole different game. So again, it's big social ''events'' outside combat in ff14 but when you actually do something you barely have time to talk, unless you are on voice chat, which many on FF11 didn't do back then.
It's like that guy who posted earlier saying people have PF's up ''no french'' This is nothing to do about parsers, this is how some people are and these could be people without parsers. You have a anti parser guy in this thread too for being kicked for not being on shield oath as OT!!!! I bet that guy was not using a parser either. You can see these examples all day and night a parser wont make a big difference as many claim it to be, because harrasment will stil be harrasment. You pretty much blame parsers for bad lack of communication, social aspect in FF14 which it doesn't. FF14 is also a theme parked MMO where you do shit few times and that's it, while in FF11 I enjoyed doing things for the longest time while being social, since the game gave us that option to do it, FF14 not so much. -
08-13-2017, 02:37 PMeschaton
Alright since this thread hasn’t been about beating enrage (or improving 1,2,3 rotations) for a long-long time, and most people are tired of the merry go round discussion, let’s just say it. This is not a great thing to say, neither an enjoyable one, but it has to be said. People need to understand, they need to know what drives you lot and why you can’t let go of this subject. Why it is so important to a few hardcore players.
This game offers some decent challenges and is generally very enjoyable. Basically everyone can easily enjoy it. Even so, a small fraction of people won’t accept the fights / challenges for what they are, they are willing to do everything in their power to become, as they personally say it, “the best players they can possibly be”. Sounds nice, unfortunately this also means “getting all the help they can get, from hardware, software, online tools and friends while doing the fights / challenges”. And really, still at first glance this might even seem like the smart and strong thing to do. Causality however, isn’t without a sense of irony though.
The lot dying for public numbers to be shown, are using so much aids for the fights, so much help, in so many different forms, so much stuff is macro’d, automated, called-out and made as easy as possible for them, that even the hardest fights become trivial in a very short amount of time. Yes even boring to them, because of all the extra aid. The call for super savage and super extreme savage to the max arises from all of this, but it won’t gratify them. It can’t, all the aid makes them too strong, too fast, fights too trivial, the game too easy. Congratulations, with all your practices to help yourselves and each-other as much as possible, you have completely outplayed yourselves.
And here we are, at the real issue at hand; the only thing that is left for these people, while being bored with the fights themselves but still loving the game they’ve put so much tricks into, is seeing everyone’s numbers and seeing who of them had the better aid, who had it easier, who had more luck, basically who is at the top of the number-boards for a while and fight for that, as the fights themselves aren’t interesting enough anymore, it all became too trivial.
It is nice to beat the game so easily. To feel strong with all the aid. For a while. But nothing is without consequence. And if you ever think this is what the majority wants you are gravely mistaken; the majority doesn’t want to make the fights trivial to themselves and their friends, they do not want to contest each other instead of the fights themselves, they still want to enjoy the game for what it is and play together for fun. Without the use of so much aid that they actually outplay themselves and become too bored with fighting the game, and turn on each other, to see who’s got it more easy.
You want to improve yourselves you say? Turn all that stuff off. Play the game again, not each other, not the ignorant community that is enjoying the fights for what they actually are. A game, a fun challenge and not a competition which requires all aid possible to make it as easy as possible to rival over the other players by any means and aid necessary, and have that shown publicly. This is not a war. -
08-13-2017, 03:16 PMEylirria
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08-13-2017, 03:20 PMKaijinRhadaI honestly don't know what you think a DPS meter does, but it doesn't tell you how to play the game. It gives you data, data you can use to figure out your rotation, but it's always going to be up to the player to perform it. What data does is allow you to theorycraft, and theorycrafting is superior to feelycrafting, since you'll have actual empirical data to work with rather than "this feels better."Quote:
Originally Posted by eschaton
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08-13-2017, 03:31 PMTankHunter678Pro-parsers bring anecdotes and assumptions. Anti-parsers bring anecdotes and assumptions. Because fundamentally neither can bring any evidence to the table.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dualgunner
Every time anti-parsers bring up community damage which has been felt in other MMOs the pro-parsers bring up the feel in this game... which is anti-parser by design. "It does not happen here so its ok to bring in parsers". Of course it does not happen here, when barely anyone outside of world first raiders uses them. Compared to the other games that anti-parsers draw on where nearly everyone is told to install a parser, and the very problems they bring up become prevalent issues to the point the only way to have any decent community is to literally try your best to isolate off in a guild and only do guild member runs. Building that safe space wall against a terrible community. Which you can just look at WoW, one of the big examples. Overall its a terrible community of elitists and jerks that parse everything, even content that does not "need" it, and use said parses as an excuse and validation to attack others. Then you have the smaller guilds where people get together and it seems like the community is not so bad, because all they ever do is play together in their small tight community and basically cease paying attention to all the others around them. -
08-13-2017, 03:55 PMGreedaloxI'm wondering if you're ignorant to the limits and of the potential of a parser. It's a number, it's still up to you to make that number. The parser didn't make your number higher artificially. People have been kicked from groups for low DPS from people with AND without parsers (Heck I've seen people kicked for having too high DPS)- some people enjoy pushing their limits- and it's certainly not forgetting how to have fun with the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by eschaton
It's okay for people to have different motives, if it's as you say there are players who enjoy whatever number God gives them then why is it such a bad thing that there are players who wish to go above and beyond their limits?
It's an MMO- a communal game. People will butt heads. It's okay for there to be players who care about a number and those who are happy as a clam spending 45 minutes in Sastasha. That's why we build cliques, FC's and linkshells so we can play with like minded people. Queueing with randoms is more or less voiding your right to complain about each other in any serious sense. -
08-13-2017, 04:02 PMDualgunnerNot disagreeing here.Quote:
Originally Posted by eschaton
What's wrong with trying to be the best you can be?Quote:
Basically everyone can easily enjoy it. Even so, a small fraction of people won’t accept the fights / challenges for what they are, they are willing to do everything in their power to become, as they personally say it, “the best players they can possibly be”.
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Sounds nice, unfortunately this also means “getting all the help they can get, from hardware, software, online tools and friends while doing the fights / challenges”. And really, still at first glance this might even seem like the smart and strong thing to do. Causality however, isn’t without a sense of irony though.
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Originally Posted by KaijinRhada
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The lot dying for public numbers to be shown, are using so much aids for the fights, so much help, in so many different forms
Also the only tool people who parse use that non-parsers don't is ACT, which is just a DPS meter. When applied to FFLogs it's also fight analytics, but that's a post-combat review sort of thing.
Only macro I run is one to specifically target the tank with apoc. Otherwise, macros are somewhat a detriment. Also, macros are something everyone has.Quote:
so much stuff is macro’d,
People who use triggers are a different story altogether. That said, are call-outs now something exclusive to the uber elite?Quote:
automated, called-out and made as easy as possible for them,
Go talk to Gordias Savage. We have no tools now we didn't have then.Quote:
that even the hardest fights become trivial in a very short amount of time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rmBDHS3CCoQuote:
Yes even boring to them, because of all the extra aid.
Some people always seek new heights and challenges to make themselves even better. See: Goku.Quote:
The call for super savage and super extreme savage to the max arises from all of this, but it won’t gratify them.
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It can’t, all the aid makes them too strong, too fast, fights too trivial, the game too easy.
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Originally Posted by KaijinRhada
Key word: practice and helping each other. But that's a bad thing now I guess.Quote:
Congratulations, with all your practices to help yourselves and each-other as much as possible, you have completely outplayed yourselves.
Burn out and boredom happens to everyone, not just endgame raiders.Quote:
And here we are, at the real issue at hand; the only thing that is left for these people, while being bored with the fights themselves but still loving the game they’ve put so much tricks into, is seeing everyone’s numbers and seeing who of them had the better aid, who had it easier, who had more luck, basically who is at the top of the number-boards for a while and fight for that, as the fights themselves aren’t interesting enough anymore, it all became too trivial.
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It is nice to beat the game so easily. To feel strong with all the aid. For a while.
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Originally Posted by KaijinRhada
ITP: Contests are bad. People can't compete to see who's best at their job, because that's not fun: you can only have fun the way eschaton approves.Quote:
But nothing is without consequence. And if you ever think this is what the majority wants you are gravely mistaken; the majority doesn’t want to make the fights trivial to themselves and their friends, they do not want to contest each other instead of the fights themselves, they still want to enjoy the game for what it is and play together for fun. Without the use of so much aid that they actually outplay themselves and become too bored with fighting the game, and turn on each other, to see who’s got it more easy.
It'd be nice to have it to turn off in the first place, but I don't.Quote:
You want to improve yourselves you say? Turn all that stuff off.
Remember kids: if you think competition is fun, you're wrong. Go sit down and have fun how eschaton tells you to. Eschaton is always right.Quote:
Play the game again, not each other, not the ignorant community that is enjoying the fights for what they actually are. A game, a fun challenge and not a competition which requires all aid possible to make it as easy as possible to rival over the other players by any means and aid necessary, and have that shown publicly. This is not a war.
Not much to reply to here; you said it best, neither side brings anything concrete and worth debating. It would be nice if census data regarding parsing and the community could have been taken / could be taken over the years, to have numbers to work with regarding cost/benefit analysis. That's why mostly I've given up the debate. (Yes I know I'm here posting now--I'm playing Yakuza 0 doing Kiryu's real estate side mission, there's a looooot of downtime).Quote:
Originally Posted by TankHunter678
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08-13-2017, 04:56 PMakaneakkiFor those who don't wanna read all what he said: it's fun to enrage boss fights and wipe people,but not fun improving.Quote:
Originally Posted by eschaton
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08-13-2017, 05:36 PMHyoMinParkThis post reeks of so much judgementalness it's making my head spin. But according to this individual, the ones who are "pro-parser"/"pro-self improvement"/"pro-challenge" are the "toxic, bad breaths" that need to be gone from this community.....Quote:
Originally Posted by eschaton
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08-13-2017, 05:57 PMSkogli
Jesus christ! The amount of gangbang happening on this poor guy says more about the parser community then a million words ever would xD
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08-13-2017, 06:13 PMakaneakkiYou mean the small part of community who doesn't beg for carry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skogli
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08-13-2017, 06:20 PMZeonsiltIt's not, look at all his posts in this thread. Most of the time its direct insults, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skogli
I don't judge an "anti-parser" community by that guy alone, however, many of his posts is "/facepalm category".
However, if all anti-parser community is like that guy, then we don't have anything to discuss. (it's pointless)
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08-13-2017, 07:13 PMLunaFayeIsn't the parser community. Its the forum community, arguing just for the sake of arguing, because one of their streamers/guides doesn't approve/mentioning it. You can say things like the sky is blue, common sense right, well no it will lead to a 5500 page discussion about how the sky is purple, and how bad you're for even saying it's blue. It's pointless to even have parser/non parser discussions, or any discussions in general, because at the end it's always the same. You don't agree with somebody, all hell breaks loose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skogli
Worse when then these players get post likes, thinking they are right, even so they don't see that they are not. For me it just shows that not only the other person is wrong, even 70+ people believe the same thing, still doesn't make it right tho lol. -
08-13-2017, 07:18 PMKarstenSSure. There is no guarantee that the replacement will be better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penthea
But one simple question: What are the alternatives when this one is holding back the group from finishing the fight?
"Trying with someone else" is at least a chance compared to "never do it".
As long you are not allowed to talk about the "low performance", I see no other solution.
Some people say "help them to improve". But how should this get done, when its not allowed to talk about at all? -
08-13-2017, 07:22 PMRawrz
First Poll from Would You Like an In Game Parser?
https://imgur.com/i6m7JJf.jpg
A More Flushed out poll was created and shared a similar ratio. It was disabled by moderators and resulted in a ban, presumably after the least popular side reported the thread. -
08-13-2017, 07:40 PMReynhartOh look ! Another one that think "anti-parser" equals "lazy players who just want to be carried".Quote:
Originally Posted by akaneakki
Conspiray theory at its finest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rawrz
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08-13-2017, 07:44 PMRawrzIt's not a conspiracy if it's true. :]Quote:
Originally Posted by Reynhart
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08-13-2017, 07:50 PMHestzhyen
1) Have it as one of the many optional features buried in the Character/System menus - off by default.
2) Only shows your numbers, no one else's. For EX trials and raids, maybe also show the "expected" values from the dummy in SSS as a comparison so players can know at a glance if they're where they need to be or not.
3) Swiftly and harshly ban people who bully or berate others for not sharing their numbers.
4) Realise that no matter what you do to help them, some people are content with being sub-optimal and even outright bad.
5) It's okay not to parse if you don't want to. -
08-13-2017, 07:52 PMZeonsiltC'mon. you're exaggerating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reynhart
However, if you look at Savage, there's a lot of players like that, who don't eat food/potions/gotZeroMaterias and want someone to carry them. -
08-13-2017, 08:12 PMArutan
What about mannequins that there's at your disposition right out of Rhalgr's reach? Just like those there was at the exit of Idyllshire. It doesn't show you your dps, but if you can kill it within the timer then you're good to go.
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08-13-2017, 08:22 PMakaneakkiSerious question. Are you playing today? If so I would like to do a dungeon with you, so you can tell who's performing best, since you mentioned you know this easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reynhart
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08-13-2017, 08:36 PMReynhartYes, I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by akaneakki
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08-13-2017, 08:41 PMTaikaExcept the only thing they tell you is if your basic rotation (and item level) is good enough to have a chance in the fight. They tell you nothing about how you should adjust your rotation for that fight or how well you can maintain DPS while handling the mechanics. You can have a 8 person party where everyone has cleared the dummy, no deaths, and still wipe to enrage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arutan
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08-13-2017, 08:47 PMakaneakki
Seraphix#9585 is my discord. Feel free to add me and we do some runs.
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08-13-2017, 08:58 PMLaurawrzzSorry, I really think you're missing my point. I'm saying that the community is rotting and parsers are swiftly moving this along by making heroes and villains out of people faster than ever before. This kind of repetitive confrontational behaviour is leading to self-destruction of the community, which in turn is leading to the kind of community where kicks, shaming, and racism are the norm. I'm just saying what I see. The problem never used to be this bad. I outlined the racist comments as a symptom of a sick community that I see getting worse everyday - for this, I partially blame parsers.Quote:
Originally Posted by akaneakki
Parsers are not the only cause of kicks and I never said that, they are simply a cause, a cause that is expanding its use quickly. Almost every run, I know someone's parsing. Players don't know they're being parsed. Players don't even know FFLogs exist. If you had something like this in real life it wouldn't be allowed. Comparison: You're in an office. One colleague, one day, takes information about your job performance, and without your consent or knowledge, makes 500 copies and gives it to all of your colleagues to look at. And you can't do anything about it.
As I said, but I'll restate it anyway, I'm not saying parsers are the cause, they are a cause of an increasingly volatile community. Yeah, dicks will be dicks and FF14 has always had dicks, but the dick-rate is going up fast, and the popularity of parsers increasing with the dick-rate are matching trends that I can't personally ignore. If course it happened in FF11 in its own way, but nowhere near the extent I see it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greedalox
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08-13-2017, 09:00 PMNeriell
Boss isn't pressing 123 towards a stationary doll for 3 minutes, it's about maintaining the rotation, while doing the mechanics and minimizing idle time. If, god forbid, theoretically, which I officially don't, I would use the 3rd party software, I would see that my 30 hours of wiping on the O3S were due to people dropping dps from 4k to ZERO while running away in PANIC on animals, tethers, dark tokens etc. SSS dummy can't show nothing but how many crits and DHs you were LUCKY to obtain within the 3 minute duration, not even taking into account that people balance their rotation to fit into exactly 3 minutes and some even bring their Chocobos with them to gain extra 250 dps. It only helps you to learn the opener and press your buttons while not looking at the hotbar, which frankly, is an issue to some folks in discord. Check this filthy, toxic, german, ugly webform that shows how much dps you need to kill the dummy with your job http://ffxiv.2digitalgames.de/
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08-13-2017, 09:04 PMReynhartAnd without a parser, you can understand that you wiping is because people run away in PANIC on every mechanic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neriell
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08-13-2017, 09:12 PMNeriellThe point is they don't die. They lose dps and we wipe due to enrage timer. This forum allows 1000 characters for a single post, I had to downgrade mine from 1950 to 1000 characters and it's lost the charm. My best attempt before the kill was 0.5% and my worst was 12%. Can you tell who's dragging the team on 12%? Everyone. But most wipes occure between 3 and 6% w/o people dying and you have to find the carried guy. PF always ends with disband and you switch the group if he's not found and wipes go on. He can do the mechanics, he doesn't die, he just can't deal damage while doing that. That's partly a game fault cause there isn't a decent end game dps tutorial, and people press 123123 like they did in dungeons w/o even realising it's wrong and trying their best. Still. Enrage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reynhart
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08-13-2017, 09:50 PMReynhartYou can edit your post to bypass that (unless you're on a phone, I think)Quote:
Originally Posted by Neriell
They don't need to die. If you see everybody run away from a player-targeted AoE, you can suggest that only the person targeted should move away. Or, like someone above said, if you need to spread, suggesting that ranged DPS move further so that close ranged DPS can stay on the boss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neriell
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08-13-2017, 09:54 PMRubyCirha
Well to be honest if your enraging chances are your not doing enough dps so do some reserch make sure your rotation is optamised you don't need a parser for that and if your still enraging then hey here a thought get better gear or change up your party comp parsers can only tell you so much ultamitly it's time effort and practice
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08-13-2017, 09:57 PMWalielMy favourite is people who are so focused on doing mechanics that they forget to DPS for 5-10 seconds at a time when all that was needed was to run back after a knockback or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reynhart
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08-13-2017, 10:01 PMTaikaBut without a parser, you have no way of knowing if it's even you who should be doing research, or if it's someone else entirely...Quote:
Originally Posted by RubyCirha
Similarly, you can get a win and be actually doing way less than you should, having the others carry you through. -
08-13-2017, 10:07 PMHyoMinParkHe is the only one who was calling anyone "toxic bad-breaths" in this thread; the majority of this thread is actually a very civilized discussion between both sides with absolutely no insults being thrown around--something that is incredibly hard to come by these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skogli
Some of us actually aren't arguing just for the sake of arguing. I was asking questions towards certain "anti-parser" posters, but never really got any straight answers for most of them. I'm actually trying to understand why some people are so against parsers and other people using parsers (who they will probably never actually meet the entirety of the "pro-parser" community in-game considering the amount of players out there), while also trying to get them to at least understand (note I said understand, not agree) that parsers are not the bad guy here.Quote:
Originally Posted by LunaFaye
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08-13-2017, 11:50 PMakaneakkiOk, now I get you! Sorry for that. However, I disagree with you. I get you but I really do disagree with you. There is more bad seeds who doesn't use parser, way more. I might be wrong, but I get the feeling you mean that parser just adds more bad seeds on the game, which wont happen and there is serval reason for that, well for what I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Laurawrzz
1: Parser will allow people to see their own and other peoples performance, the most importent one is their own. There is far too many players who are really bad blaming it on others, which is ironic as hell. Example MNK said DRG dps was bad in susano last night but the DRG was 300 dps above him, so yeah... If he ran a parser he wouldn't talk out of the wrong hole in the first place.
2: The ''dick'' rate you talk about always goes up. no matter what. I telll you what, I've seen players getting worse or even just more toxic because players who tries to play well get spit on. Example: I was in expert as WHM, kept the tank alive but I asked him to use cds on big pulls, which he NEVER DID. His friend said I should heal more and I should stop sucking, yet the BLM was doing 700 dps lower than me, so again I got kicked for this. Another example is that a DPS ripped the tanks aggro in a boss in the roulette and the tank called him elitist and tryhard for ripping his aggro, he tried to vote kick him but we kicked the tank instead for being shit. So again, this is getting really stupid. I find WAY MORE of these players and belive it or not, they talk so offensive in so many ways too, yet people ignore that. You know what's extremely funny? If a parser was actually a thing in the game, people would probably still keep their mouth shut, because it causes people to report them if they start harrasing. However those who wouldn't use it would still talk shit towards others and I'm not saying you are defending them but others in here do.
Picture of the convo that day:
http://i.imgur.com/7AVOBla.png Tank never died even when he used no cooldowns and they tell me to learn how to heal? So, his friend is a bad tank and he tells me how to play? The BLM coulnd't even kill his own add in the first boss in kugan castle lol.
I could go all day with pictures like this, I find them funny in many ways because this is just proof of how people truely are in this game. I bet 100 bucks that you will get more screenshots of players like this than players who harras others for doing super bad dps, as in name calling them etc. Whats your input on this?