[DEV1010] Pet job adjustments

[Karinya_of_Carbuncle]

I've actually seen Heavenly Strike peak around 11,000 thanks to set bonus

SMN is a great job, but the 45 second BP timer is too restricting

Yes, how dare they make you wait 45 whole seconds to do another 11,000 damage. You should be able to do 11,000 damage every ten seconds, nay, every second if you feel like it.

...You're talking about something that's 2-3 times stronger than the strongest nuke in the game (for no additional MP) AND puts no enmity on you and you're crying about 45 seconds of recast? Sheesh.

Go cry to the THFs, who rely on one minute JA timers that can't be reduced by gear at all. (Actually... if they can make -JA timer gear for one job, why can't they make it for two? That might help some of THF's problems without making it less THF-like. But that's off topic for this thread.)

[Karbuncle]

Yes, how dare they make you wait 45 whole seconds to do another 11,000 damage. You should be able to do 11,000 damage every ten seconds, nay, every second if you feel like it.

...You're talking about something that's 2-3 times stronger than the strongest nuke in the game (for no additional MP) AND puts no enmity on you and you're crying about 45 seconds of recast? Sheesh.

Go cry to the THFs, who rely on one minute JA timers that can't be reduced by gear at all. (Actually... if they can make -JA timer gear for one job, why can't they make it for two? That might help some of THF's problems without making it less THF-like. But that's off topic for this thread.)

I am a THF. I've posted about THF stuff on these boards SEVERAL times, including my disdain for how THF Job Abilities rely solely on being in a party. Just because THF isn't in the greatest shape doesn't mean its a bad job.

If you're not a gimp THF, you can do way more than 11,000 DMG in 45 Seconds. You can get TP in like ~10Seconds or less based on the buffs you have and Evisc' will average ~2.5k~3.k on anything Meaningful in abyssea. That adds up, through melee Damage, way more than 11,000DMG.

THIRDLY, 11,000 is only with SET PROC, which is roughly ~10% Chance to proc when Blood boon Activates, Its really really low. So you average ~5.5k DMG eveyr 45 seconds. Which is incredibly low compared to any other DD worth their party spot.

Enmity doesn't matter as much these days if you're going to actually bring up the "hate free' aspect of it, Even BLMs don't have to worry about it as much with Mana Wall and Enmity Douse. While its a nice bonus, its not enough of a reason to warrant a drawn out BP Timer these days.

BP Timer is too Restricting, Any DD worth his slot in a party can dish out 2x the damage a SMN can in that time, from Melee damage and WS Frequency.

It gets even worse if the DD in question actually gets March or haste frequently.

[Korpg]

...You're talking about something that's 2-3 times stronger than the strongest nuke in the game (for no additional MP) AND puts no enmity on you and you're crying about 45 seconds of recast? Sheesh.

1) Set bonus from BLM Emp +2 can do just as much damage as Set bonus from SMN Emp +2. BLMs have the advantage because they can cast a lot more than once ever 45 seconds.

2) Blood Pacts cost MP to the Summoner. So, yeah, it still costs mp to do that 11k attack. Although, 1/8 as much MP for BP:R. But then again, BLM Emp +2 set also reduces Bliz V to 1/8 as much MP for double damage.

[blowfin]

They could just extend our cruor buffs to pets, too. I don't know about you, but my pet consistently pulls hate off any player-regardless of job-not in full AF3 +2 or under the effect of a brew; but I have pet Acc/Atk armor and Emp weaps, not the normal -pdt set. Actually, I usually need to call my pet off to keep from burning through Jugs or food. Also, with the pet buffs I never take hate from my pet unless it gets slept and I choose not to cure it.

Yeah there is nothing wrong with BST when i'm able to force pets to hold hate against a +2 Vereth Monk.

[Karbuncle]

Yeah there is nothing wrong with BST when i'm able to force pets to hold hate against a +2 Vereth Monk.

Thats not at all impressive if you're each at the Enmity Cap already, as I could say "I take hate off Vereth90 MNKs on my THF all the time", while it may be true, thanks to Abilities like Collaborator, and the fact Enmity has a cap, It doesn't mean much.

BST is a wonderful job, I'm just saying "Holding hate" isn't really so overpowered.

[blowfin]

Thats not at all impressive if you're each at the Enmity Cap already, as I could say "I take hate off Vereth90 MNKs on my THF all the time", while it may be true, thanks to Abilities like Collaborator, and the fact Enmity has a cap, It doesn't mean much.

I dunno, it makes me quite happy being able to tank things with an insect while things get pounded to a pulp by a monk.

Oh and this is using ducal guard too. It's not like DD output has to be pushed.

[Korpg]

I dunno, it makes me quite happy being able to tank things with an insect while things get pounded to a pulp by a monk.

Oh and this is using ducal guard too. It's not like DD output has to be pushed.

Ducal Guard and Mounted Champion Atmas are the best when it comes to pet tanking.

I have had a SMN and BLM duo party (me being the SMN of course) for my BLM friend's seals and he hardly ever gets hate, thanks to PC/HS and the damage output thereof. That Enmity decay reduction while being hit on Mounted Champion really helps out too.

I haven't tried a SMN and MNK duo yet though, because, well, I don't want to be a pathetic healer tbh.

[Karbuncle]

I dunno, it makes me quite happy being able to tank things with an insect while things get pounded to a pulp by a monk.

Oh and this is using ducal guard too. It's not like DD output has to be pushed.

I thought you were saying it more like "They should nerf beast". Not that it was awesome.

It is awesome, But not awesome enough to nerf BST :P

[Alhanelem]

dear god, dallas in here to let everyone know it's his way or the highway again. You don't play like Dallas, you're a gimp noob! There are situations and pros and cons for everything so stop telling people that
1) melee SMN is the best thing ever (There are times when it makes a good alternative playstyle, and there are also times where it isn't so great)
2) if they DON'T melee SMN, then they are gimp and should stop playing or whatever. (Not expressly stated, but implied)

Sincerely,
your best friend

[Tannlore]

Well the Dallas attacks aside, I'm actually very interested in the topic of this thread. I don't have pup 90 yet. I'm leveling it still as a side project (only 55), though I have drg and smn 90 (leveled them to 75 pre CoP days) Bst is 22... one day.

Anyhow, My focus is smn and I have quite a few things I'd love to see based on my experiences of playing pet jobs on a multitude of other mmos as well:

1. Some form of taunt that is NOT our blood pact: rage. Yeah sometimes our timers are down, it would be nice to have that option up. Sometimes I find myself wanting to save a friend, or myself and that rage timer just isn't cooperating ya know? Don't think it would be that over powering as our pets are hardly walking metallic fortresses of indestructibility (Well outside of abyssea for the most part). And you do know.. you aren't always playing in abyssea.

2. Ability to Heal our avatars: Not just Hit points, but status ailments. Even if it meant taking it onto ourselves similar to the white mage spell sacrifice? Sometimes it's not practical to release and resummon. Wouldn't that make Myrkr even more useful? It seems kind of silly that we can't maintain our own pets in this manner.. heck any manner really. Bst have it down, they can feed their pets food: I was happy when I got reward. As dragoon, I was damn skippy happy when I got Spirit Link cause I Was tired of AoE killing my wyvern all the time (Still happened.. but at least he lived a little longer).

3. Spells that buff our avatars: Give us spells that give our avatars buffs. Summoner native versions of protect/shell and the likes. Heck make it all the pets. Why not just make it so you can actually cast white magic buffs on them? Adventure fellows got this mechanic, I don't see why it can't be applied to pets. Dragoon Wyverns get this benefit when Empathy is used. Why can't Bst/drg/pup/smn pets have buffs cast on them like Fellows and players?

4. Toggle the the auto attack on avatars. >.< I've adjusted over the years.... but I can't tell you how many times I've seen some smn noob it up when you sleep mobs and their avatar goes happy go lucky wapping along on sleeping mobs or bound mobs because they aren't paying attention! On most any mmo out there this is a toggled setting. passive/aggressive/defensive, or automatic/manual, or alert/passive, or what have you. Here it's OMFG I'm going to eat you!!! mode 100% of the time >.>