The Truly 'Elite' Player

[Tamoa]

Exactly, there was no such thing as 'skill' back in the day, just time consumption and throwing bodies at NMs until they died.

When you have been playing FFXI for 6 months total, saying something like this is NOT a good idea.

[Andylynn]

When you have been playing FFXI for 6 months total, saying something like this is NOT a good idea.

Because FFXI was sooooo hard.
HNM? - Throw bodies at it.
AV? - glitch it, or throw drks at it.
Relic? - Invest more time than a part time job on it.
Difficulty? - none
Time Consuming? - Yes

[Tamoa]

Because FFXI was sooooo hard.
HNM? - Throw bodies at it.
AV? - glitch it, or throw drks at it.
Relic? - Invest more time than a part time job on it.
Difficulty? - none
Time Consuming? - Yes

Thing is, you don't know this first hand. You're just repeating what you have heard and seen others say.

[Andylynn]

Thing is, you don't know this first hand. You're just repeating what you have heard and seen others say.

Nice counter argument, I really think the game was so much harder pre Abyssea.

[Tamoa]

Nice counter argument, I really think the game was so much harder pre Abyssea.

You making a statement on how hard/easy FFXI was before Abyssea, is like me telling you how hard/easy WoW is @ max level. I have played WoW for about 10 days, got to lvl 20 and was utterly bored with it. That doesn't mean I know jack shit about what WoW endgame is like.

So, yeah, I'm not really looking for 'elite' players. I just want ones who can competently do their jobs. And, it would be nice if some of the new gear dropped from hard mobs which required you to actually use basic skills. And since I have been playing for longer than 6 months, I can say with assurance, the game did used to require more skill than it does now.

Exactly.

Not saying it was hard, but if you wanted to do endgame successfully (and by that I do NOT mean throwing bodies at NMs), you had to know your job and pay attention.

[Randwolf]

When you have been playing FFXI for 6 months total, saying something like this is NOT a good idea.

Thanks. That confirmed my first thought.

While even back in the day there were things at which you could just throw bodies, there were quite many more that required the people in your alliance to at least be competent, if not down-right good. And, yes, there were ways to cheat. But, the skilled players wouldn't use them because the whole idea was to prove yourself. It's also why people in elite armor do not absolutely mean an elite player. Because winning legitimately is not always required to win.

I used to avoid PUG's for things like DM (I did mine in a mixed Melee/Mage group) because you had no idea whether or not that one or two idiots would ruin the run. Now, I definitely won't join a PUG that is doing something hard. You usually get 3 - 4 players who don't have ws's, magic, or know how to use their JA's (have to love Thieves who never Collaborate even when the WHM is getting beaten to crap).

So, yeah, I'm not really looking for 'elite' players. I just want ones who can competently do their jobs. And, it would be nice if some of the new gear dropped from hard mobs which required you to actually use basic skills. And since I have been playing for longer than 6 months, I can say with assurance, the game did used to require more skill than it does now.