The Truly 'Elite' Player

[Randwolf]

I hear all the talk about how this new breed of player, the post-Abyssea ones, are ruining the game with their quick leveling and lack of skills. I also hear from the post-Abyssea players that they are no different than the long-time players. They just leveled faster but are just as skilled. So, let's have S/E lay down the gauntlet. Throw out some ideas for mobs that require skill and little or no luck to beat or claim.

I'll go first.

I'd like to see an HNM that requires the elemental wheel be completed through skill chains and an MB done after each SC. The skill chain can be done in any order but must be topped off with a Dark SC >>> MB and a Light SC >>> MB, in either order. The entire elemental wheel has to occur within a certain time frame from beginning to end. After that task is complete, the mob will take full damage from magic and melee but not before.

Other ideas. I'm sure if you are 1337, you can come up with ideas that separate the men from the boys.

[Neisan_Quetz]

That sounds almost as retarded as the final boss for Chrono Cross.

[Randwolf]

That sounds almost as retarded as the final boss for Chrono Cross.

Brew with Aeolian - Gales / Ultimate / Hell's Guardian (Baying/Beyond I suppose, I don't see anything good past Gales)
Brew with Flash Nova (requires Club Merits) - Beyond / Ultimate or Hell's Guardian / Sellsword
Brew with Sanguine Blade (requires WAR DRK PLD or BLU sub) - Cosmos / Banisher / Ultimate

Solo - Minikin / Beyond / Ultimate if casting, otherwise consider Dark Depths if straight tanking over GH if evasion isn't floored.
DD - Razed / Apoc / Gnarled or Alpha/Omega
Backup Healing: if curing and only curing, Minikin / Rescuer / Harmony (if no Rescuer pick a magic damage atma and nuke imo)
Apoc if you think you're going to die alot and don't feel like bringing RR items.

Well then, your idea? I see you prefer to brew everything. Any idea on how to actually create a challenge. Or, perhaps you'd rather avoid those.

[Tamarsamar]

Well then, your idea? I see you prefer to brew everything. Any idea on how to actually create a challenge. Or, perhaps you'd rather avoid those.

You took his quote out of context. The context was "hai, I'm brewing something, which atma set should I use for it? Also, what atma sets should I use for these other things . . ."

Basically, he was commenting on the "what is," rather than the "what should be."

[Randwolf]

You took his quote out of context. The context was "hai, I'm brewing something, which atma set should I use for it? Also, what atma sets should I use for these other things . . ."

Basically, he was commenting on the "what is," rather than the "what should be."

Since I included his whole post, and I don't see any disclaimer to the way you interpret, I'm going to doubt that. And, his post in this thread wasn't adding anything to it. Just being rude. Honestly, people talk about how the new players are plain rude and simply shout if they don't like an idea. You don't find that statement rude? Where is his great idea? You wonder why every thread in here degrades to a shouting match. It's because people have nothing to add. Only to be negative.

Anyway, the point is, what I see is all these supposedly 'elite' players complaining about how the post-Abyssea players are not skilled. And, the only thing they can seem to come up with is "we need to go back to the way it was." Instead of looking at ways to differentiate.

[Alhanelem]

Well then, your idea? I see you prefer to brew everything. Any idea on how to actually create a challenge. Or, perhaps you'd rather avoid those.

People can play the game however they want. Who are you to dictate how other people "should" play the game. If you want a challenge, there are plenty of them out there. If you don't care about challenge, then fine, whatever. Let them do things how they want, and you can do things how you want. Everyone wins.

[Randwolf]

People can play the game however they want. Who are you to dictate how other people "should" play the game. If you want a challenge, there are plenty of them out there. If you don't care about challenge, then fine, whatever. Let them do things how they want, and you can do things how you want. Everyone wins.

Until they start whining because it takes skills to beat the tough stuff. Skills they never learned because it wasn't required. So, yeah. I agree with you as long as they don't mind not being able to do certain things in the game because they were added for the challenge factor.

[MarkovChain]

Any idea on how to actually create a challenge. Or, perhaps you'd rather avoid those.

You will not be able to achieve challenge as soon as competition with others is involved, wether it is against a ??? (sky,abyssea) or a NM (abysseahaha, NMs, sky, blabla). You don't offer challenge by cockblocking too much either ( tiered NM system like VnM, ZnM, sea) because people spend their time not killing stuff, which is not entertaining. The only thing left is instanced area with entry limitation. Once this is done, put a time limit and many NMs to kill (within reason, and without relying on 18-man, stick to 6-man) and give the final thing some kind of low droprate. Mix salvage dynamis and Nyzul pretty much.

[Rambus]

Well then, your idea? I see you prefer to brew everything. Any idea on how to actually create a challenge. Or, perhaps you'd rather avoid those.

delevel and beat AV at 75?

[Corwin]

Truly "elite" players have G-Prime in their Boost macro.