Please Rework "FULL BREAK'S" effectiveness + other GA ws's like it DEV TEAM /wave

[Rambus]

first off his sig is not the subject of this thread. It is wrong to advertise? I made my sig from all the hateful posts on relic weapons so i made it to reflect that, has nothing to do with showing off or arrogance. he is just tossing ideas in getting people to want to use these brake type ws more.

i use full brake when i am trying to find blue, i mean why not? in abyssea proc > epeen

[TybudX]

First impressions matter, and your explanation does little to sway people's opinions when confronted with a giant advertisement of your douche-baggery. Just sayin.

Anyways, Armor Break gives up to -25% defense to a mob if un-resisted. This does not mean that you will always see a 25% increase in the damage you see on screen. It's very likely that your attack is already high enough that no amount of defense down is going to matter, your cRatio is capped. You might only see the benefit of a few percent of the WS's effect, while the completely un-buffed THF sitting in the jank party just saw his numbers go up by 33% across the board, due to his pDIF being raised out of the 1.0 territory.

This is why people use log parsers to determine the effect of things. You want to be able to eye-ball the difference when you use your abilities, but don't understand why you can't see the difference by way of an apparent jump in damage. Since you don't see that increase, you assume that the abilities as is need to be boosted somehow, when in fact in boost will not see you any gain over the current values.

That's not to mention that in the situations where an increase in these values would help all that you are really doing in narrowing which strategies are viable (see Einherjar or level 80 AV kills). By buffing the effect one job can make you remove the need for another job in a party slot completely. This is especially dangerous when the job being buffed is arguably the best offensive job in the game.

You are becoming fat headed and arrogant because your "Brilliant Idea" got a tiny bit of recognition for the community team.

Him making that thread in the first place is consistent with his more current postings. Had he not made that post I'm sure he'd have some other idea of his mentioned in his sig, and I tend to believe him when he says it was not made out of arrogance.

[Tamarsamar]

To kingfury:

Or perhaps there is a problem that you are failing to perceive with yourself? Or has the possibility completely eluded your mind, as well? I should probably note here that Mrbeansman was using "Brilliant" facetiously to mock your larger-than-galka self-image. You're a pretty good artist, sure, but that does not suddenly make every little thing you think up solid gold (and before you say anything, I can think of five better artists off the top of my head, anyway)! And don't think that nobody's seeing through your attempts at false humility, too; I've seen elvaan less arrogant than you!

As for where I came up with the -25% on Armor Break, it was from the exact same place you got the -12.5% on Full Break; it is, in fact, common knowledge that Full Break is half the potency of all the other "Break" weaponskills combined. There's a reason for this, too; it's called "game balance."

[kingfury]

Thanks Rambus /salute You're absolutely correct, and I was just /sulking over the same exact thought lol

Though this type of thing really has no rhyme or reason when it occurs unfortunately. I'm equipped to handle misunderstandings through years of practice though, so I'll just nip it in the bud whenever it arises.^^

[Rambus]

anyways some ideas I can come up with:

stop with the partal resist or resist effects, i mean you are using tp, but that brings in the question should flat blade stun thunder immune/ stun immune mobs? I mean you are using a weak weapon type/ weak ws/ to use 100 tp for a critial difference. same with brake effects though I am not sur what mobs are immune to them

same with full brake or any of the brake ws, skill should be a factor in the increasing levels for it's effect. I disagree with them going out of use.

even when c-ratio is caped would it be REALLY harmful to add 5-10% damage + effect to everyone? so you can warrent using tp on such effect over raw damage ws?

[kingfury]

First impressions matter, and your explanation does little to sway people's opinions when confronted with a giant advertisement of your douche-baggery. Just sayin.

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Uh-Oh, name callin' lol /stagger. MATURITY ALERT! Experience lets me know when to drop a topic with certain folks. Jeeze.
I commend you for your detailed explanation on the topic at hand at least. Not so much for the low ball poop throwing.

I understand what you're saying, but that's why I'm asking for a "Rework" of the ws and it's calculations. Perhaps it can be more visible on all fronts so that everyone can "eye ball" the effects. Like I said before, I'm not close minded to the equations of this game, I just would like an update to certain systems that seem fruitless as we go forward towards 99. It doesn't sound progressive that just because we go higher in level, that such ws's are of no use to the ones using it simply because the calculations prevent them from being so.

Thanks for your feedback /

[Rambus]

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Uh-Oh, name callin' lol /stagger. MATURITY ALERT! Experience lets me know when to drop a topic with certain folks. Jeeze.
I commend you for your detailed explanation on the topic at hand at least. Not so much for the low ball poop throwing.

I understand what you're saying, but that's why I'm asking for a "Rework" of the ws and it's calculations. Perhaps it can be more visible on all fronts so that everyone can "eye ball" the effects. Like I said before, I'm not close minded to the equations of this game, I just would like an update to certain systems that seem fruitless as we go forward towards 99.

Thanks for your feedback /



Him making that thread in the first place is consistent with his more current postings. Had he not made that post I'm sure he'd have some other idea of his mentioned in his sig, and I tend to believe him when he says it was not made out of arrogance.

[/QUOTE]

personal advice, don't tell people what do or that you don't like what they say. report it and don't state so plublicy.

(only posting this cuz there is no darn PM system @^&*!)

[kingfury]

To kingfury:
Or perhaps there is a problem that you are failing to perceive with yourself? Or has the possibility completely eluded your mind, as well? I should probably note here that Mrbeansman was using "Brilliant" facetiously to mock your larger-than-galka self-image. You're a pretty good artist, sure, but that does not suddenly make every little thing you think up solid gold (and before you say anything, I can think of five better artists off the top of my head, anyway)! And don't think that nobody's seeing through your attempts at false humility, too; I've seen elvaan less arrogant than you!
As for where I came up with the -25% on Armor Break, it was from the exact same place you got the -12.5% on Full Break; it is, in fact, common knowledge that Full Break is half the potency of all the other "Break" weaponskills combined. There's a reason for this, too; it's called "game balance."

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/sigh I can almost hear the tone of your voice when reading this. There's really no way to respond to the the top half of this post I'm afraid since only 1% of it is based on something tangible. Thank you very much for the compliment on my art Tam /kneel.
I in fact can name a dozen artist that blow me out of the water as well ^^ but you have to see that you just created an argument in your head based on some "evil version of me" all by yourself here. So... lets just respectfully END this fruitless debate, deal. I'm sure the Arrogant, Self-centered, and Big-headed Evil version Kingfury would love to try to go back and forth with you... but lets save that for when he actually appears ^^/

Well if you mean the wiki, then that's user created stuff that sometimes is on point. I quoted it for the purposes of ballparking only, but I feel what you're saying. Once again, I'm all for "GAME BALANCE", but the game is on a rail way of change every day that passes, and our current game balance is going to change with each update. I'm suggesting change based on becoming more powerful. That's all.

[kingfury]

personal advice, don't tell people what do or that you don't like what they say. report it and don't state so plublicy.
(only posting this cuz there is no darn PM system @^&*!)

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Oh nah Rambus, I was laughing while typing that ^^ It's meant in a joking tone only. I wish there was some way to just vocally record yourself and post it so you could include "Tone" and "Humor" on threads ><; Emotes, Bold, and Italics just don't cut it sometimes! lol It takes a lot to get under my skin, and name calling isn't even on that list.

[Mrbeansman]

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/stagger >< No that's all in your head I'm afraid. If there's nothing I've done to justify this type of comment, such as run amuck bragging and posting all over the forums that my suggestion got "positively replied to", then there's no grounds for change on my part.

I've been an artist my entire life, so I'm use to critics and misguided emotions towards something I've created. For instance, you just called my suggestion "Brilliant" all by yourself, not me. You've created the rest on your own as well.

I'm grounded just fine, so no worries about a big head here.

Prehaps I'm being too harsh but I know one thing for sure: you've spawned a ton of stupidity on theses forums of people who spend an hour thinking up ideas thinking their the best thing since bacon.