Please Rework "FULL BREAK'S" effectiveness + other GA ws's like it DEV TEAM /wave

[kingfury]

So you advocate eye-balling, and to facilitate that you want Great Axe break skills to be so unbalanced that nobody would ever pick 17 of the other jobs for anything, ever again. Got it.

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Nah ^^ I just suggested those values off the top of my head, I don't wish for unbalance, just Visible stat reductions. I don't believe adding 10 to the current estimated stat reductions would really solve the issue, so I suggested tripling the current values. Plus did you read my post up there? The whole "constructive stance" thing?

[Rambus]

Gaining +100 Attack when you have 50 Attack is a 200% increase. Gaining +100 Attack when you have 500 attack is a 20% increase. Ratio of Attack/MobDef caps at 2.0/2.2 for 1/2 handers. Attack has diminishing returns and caps. Good DDs roll with 700+ Attack without buffs already. They are perfectly correct.

As for Great Axe, why are we trying to buff the single most powerful DD in the entire game?

that is not what diminishing returns means.
if you are using game slang then fine, but that is not the technical meaning.

The only real exmaples that i know of in game that exist is INT on level 1 spells with great Dint and the last 1% in haste/shell effects. The only reason it happens with shell/haste effects though is from the hidden decmal you do not see. like 25>26% gear haste is really like .8 haste or w/e, same with MDT because of shell V being .XX like max merit 27.34%

[kingfury]

Anyway, shockwave's aoe sleep should probably be a bit stronger. On paper, it sounds like the perfect tool to deal with adds when you are soloing, An AoE that sleeps? Hell yeah, i though, just to be pretty disappointed when I at best would be able to sleep one of my links for about 10 seconds.

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/Agreed!! I tried to my wits end to make Shockwave work as it's ws description states, but to no avail. /sulk Please adjust this ws too Devs ^^/

Good point. It shows even better how overpowered it would be. Imagine giving every melee in your entire alliance Berserk every time you used a WS.

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Well, not really ^^ Berserk last for 3 mins, Full break would last only a few seconds per each use. So long as the ws damage doesn't beat out other powerful ws's, it would balance out as a tool to help enfeeble the mob for others to increase their damage. I don't know where that (100/62.5=1.6) equation is from, but 37% of anything in this game doesn't break much of anything... well maybe movement speed... but battle stat wise test out +37% Cure Potency, Attack, -MDT, -PDT, etc. and you'll see what I'm saying. It's a nice boost, but not game breaking. 50%+ to stats is where u can see absolute night and day differences in my experience. For example, I have -54 Enmity on my WHM taru, and can spam Cure 6 back to back and not get hate unless the DD's just stopped hitting all together for a good bit, but as soon as I try to reduce that Enmity number (like below -40) I notice the difference right away. A lot of these player generated equations are a bit too far out there most times in my opinion lol.
DEF down dmg: 50 dmg + 37.5% = 87
That's not very game breaking especially for only a few seconds. I'm sure I'll get flooded with all the fDEF %/+*&= equations from this point ^^ but I know damage percents in game based on trying them out, not equations. Not that I'm closed minded to them, just that some of them are pretty weak when it comes to all the added JA's, Gear, Buffs and more added to them.

[TybudX]

Plus did you read my post up there?

I've read a quite a few of your posts, some of them several times. I understand that you are well meaning, but you don't appear to have anything past a glancing knowledge of the terms we use to describe how the game functions. Perhaps if you invested your time into learning the game mechanics you could avoid posting senseless 'improvements' like the ones suggested in this thread.

Also, if you really want the effects of Great Axe break skills to be more visible, a simple solution would be for SE to have some sort of timer on screen, and maybe have it disappear when the effect wears off. If only such a change were possible.

[Tamarsamar]

Y'know, I used to have respect for kingfury. That quickly diminished when he made his sig, and after this thread all I can see him as is arrogant.

I mean, seriously? "Don't complain that what I'm adding is overpowered, but instead come up with your own suggestions to work around my own." Seriously?

By the way, for the record, Dia III is -15% Defense. Armor Break is already -25%.

[kingfury]

Y'know, I used to have respect for kingfury. That quickly diminished when he made his sig, and after this thread all I can see him as is arrogant.
I mean, seriously? "Don't complain that what I'm adding is overpowered, but instead come up with your own suggestions to work around my own." Seriously?
By the way, for the record, Dia III is -15% Defense. Armor Break is already -25%.

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Bah, I've already dealt with this sort of misunderstanding regarding my Sig choice in another thread. Can't help how you feel about things like that.

If anything, my signature is advertising something that I personally created, invested loads of thought into, took weeks to finish and is something I'm proud of. If you don't have something to put in your signature that means something substantial to you, that's your business. Plus if you're not an artist or graphic designer capable of creating your own work to plug into your signature, I'm sure you'll find something else that is of some value to you. Sorry, but my current signature isn't "Bosting, Bragging, or Belittling others" in the slightest. It has substantial meaning to me, and that's why I chose to put it there. If you feel that way, you should /check yourself 1st.

Arrogance is a very closed minded and self centered attitude. This is a suggestion Forum Tamarsamar. I'm posting a suggestion in a "General Discussion" Thread and I'm posting it in a open minded way. YES, I'm "seriously" simply asking that instead of trying to flame the crap out of something I've SUGGESTED, that you instead DISCUSS other alternatives or solutions based on what I've posted. Is that really Arrogant?

Armor Break is already -25%

How did you fish up this percentage? I'm curious to know. I spammed Full Break the other night and through the years and couldn't see any noticeable percent in DEF reduction.

[TybudX]

You may have designed that sig for other reasons, but to the rest of us it wreaks of arrogance. It doesn't matter how you defend it or how you define it, it doesn't come off the way you intended at all.

[kingfury]

And that TybudX is something I can't control in the slightest. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but that doesn't govern how I choose to display my artwork. When folks choose to assume the reasons of the actions of others instead of just asking them why they did what they did, it almost always opens the door to misunderstanding.

"To the rest of us" is a huge assumption that just because you feel that way that everyone does.

[Mrbeansman]

And that TybudX is something I can't control in the slightest. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but that doesn't govern how I choose to display my artwork. When folks choose to assume the reasons of the actions of others instead of just asking them why they did what they did, it almost always opens the door to misunderstanding.

"To the rest of us" is a huge assumption that just because you feel that way that everyone does.

GET OVER YOURSELF.

You are becoming fat headed and arrogant because your "Brilliant Idea" got a tiny bit of recognition for the community team.

[kingfury]

GET OVER YOURSELF.
You are becoming fat headed and arrogant because your "Brilliant Idea" got a tiny bit of recognition for the community team.

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/stagger >< No that's all in your head I'm afraid. If there's nothing I've done to justify this type of comment, such as run amuck bragging and posting all over the forums that my suggestion got "positively replied to", then there's no grounds for change on my part.

I've been an artist my entire life, so I'm use to critics and misguided emotions towards something I've created. For instance, you just called my suggestion "Brilliant" all by yourself, not me. You've created the rest on your own as well.

I'm grounded just fine, so no worries about a big head here.