Please Rework "FULL BREAK'S" effectiveness + other GA ws's like it DEV TEAM /wave

[Zyeriis]

Perception outweighs Conception.

You're both "arguing" the same thing, just on different matters. King, there is no denial that people perceive that your signature is inflated with arrogance. You can't stop it, only accept it and change it. If you can't see that, then there's no helping it, you're being closed minded. Also, you are also guilty of false perceptions because you perceive the break weaponskills to not be potent based on years of "eye-balling" it. The concept of the breaks and their effectiveness is there, regardless of whether you can visibly see it or not. So, as I said, perception outweighs conception. The only "improvement" I'd agree with is with the chatlog informing you of when the effect wears off, like it does with other enfeebling weapon skills such as Gekko (silence) and Kasha (paralyze). An enfeebling proc message would be nice as well but not necessary. Other than that, no, just because you haven't noticed it, doesn't mean it's not there. You cannot perceive everything through sight alone.

[kingfury]

Hey Zyerlis

Ok, check this out. The hundreds of players that have been "eyeballing" their Relic ws damage over the years are not wrongly perceiving the fact that their weapons should be bolstered in comparison to the new smexy Empy weapons. You've hear the phrase "What you see is what you get" before right? Well, in their case, all of those players can "SEE" that their ws damage sucks in comparison to the new Emp. ws's.

We're all playing a visual game that has very visual aspects to it's systems. If you repeated to spam your ws's throughout a game session only to find you're doing 100 dmg, would you perceive that something is wrong? Absolutely. If Dia III suddenly stopped displaying the appropriate DoT values by what players can visibly "SEE" from the monster's HP bar, that's all they would have to go on when perceiving if the spell is functioning as intended since you don't see the DoT displayed above the monsters head or in the chat log.

I'm not arguing the same thing with folks like Eeek in regards to my signature by a long shot. My signature has an image that was created from the Gyms post, along with the title of the post, and my name. That it. It does not include text saying, "Now what boieee!" or "This concept is the one that got positive feedback, so read it now!" attached with it. If in fact it did, then I would 1st /slap my own self, and then commence to remove the "gloating" and "arrogant" text from the signature. As it stands, it is simply a cover made to represent something I put a ton of work into. That's not being closed minded, that's the truth.

Thanks for feedback.

[Zyeriis]

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I'm sorry king, I'm not even going to bother attempting to remotely defend you now. That was an extremely closed minded post that did in no way pertain/respond to what I said. Again, I will say it again, it does not matter what your intent/concept was behind the signature. It is, and will continue to be, perceived as arrogant, you cannot change this. The fact that you cannot even see the plausibility in the perception that it is arrogant is how you are close-minded. Which, need I remind you, is the definition of close-minded: the inability to perceive what some one else does.

[kingfury]

>< jeeze c'mon man!

Here, do me this favor right quick, in the spirit of open-mindedness. Instead of just "saying", "hey King, your signature comes off as arrogant, and if you don't agree, you're closed minded and arrogant!", break down for me in your own words "Why" you feel it comes off this way. I've explained in detail numerous times now why it's there, yet no one has done the opposite of attempting to explain why it comes off that way to them. They just say it does. I just responded to you with a detailed description of everything the signature is and you're calling me close minded ><

I swear to you that I'm not closed minded on the topic of something I actually am in control of like my art.^^ I'm not hard to talk to, just try being a bit more descriptive so we can have a "CONVERSATION " about the topic. I'm talking to you about perception. I responded to your examples based on the Break ws's by giving you some similar examples of why it's still very true that players rely on what they see when playing this game. I responded to you in regards to your comments and perceptions about my signature. I'm on topic here ^^

[Fiarlia]

>< jeeze c'mon man!

Here, do me this favor right quick, in the spirit of open-mindedness. Instead of just "saying", "hey King, your signature comes off as arrogant, and if you don't agree, you're closed minded and arrogant!", break down for me in your own words "Why" you feel it comes off this way.

I swear to you that I'm not closed minded on the topic of something I actually am in control of like my art.^^

Eh, I think a portion of people seeing arrogance in your sig is due to the nature of most of your posts as of late in conjunction with a general attitude shift. You come across as arrogant, therefore some of the things you do are considered to be in the same mindset.

That being said, your artwork by itself (the Taru with the sword) is absolutely fantastic (though art boils down to opinion, but that's besides the point). The FFXI logo is also nicely included and adds a nice touch. The "Gyms of Vana'diel" portion starts to push it a little bit; imagine it akin to something like each member of Metallica wearing nothing but Metallica T-Shirts for every single show, interview and/or appearance that they do as a group or individually. However, it's understandable in a sense, as you're not Metallica, and I'm sure that what you dreamed up for the Gyms idea is nowhere near the same level as Metallica or their music (regardless of personal music taste, you can't deny how popular and influential they've been/are), and aside from that, you're proud of it.

The point where it gets much worse when you included the "By Marcus Williams (Kingfury)" part. I'm sure you can see that my previous example would be perceived as "tooting your own horn" (the Metallica example), well, this takes it further. Imagine the lead singer takes a break after every song to introduce the band. Every song. Now imagine during interviews that he started off every sentence with "I'm in Metallica," or that he ended that way. Now imagine that he had tattoo's of himself on himself, multiple. I'm sure you can get the idea.

Now, I'm aware that you don't think you're Metallica, nor do you think your idea(s) are on the same level. I also realize that the analogy isn't perfect, but the basic point should come across.

Look, the prominent posters here know that you came up with the Gym idea, not only that, but the custom signature itself alludes to that fact. There's no reason to have your name in the sig too, especially not your real one. Further, the Community reps are getting to know some of the prominent posters, they've called Karbuncle by a silly nickname that was mentioned once, in an unimportant topic that had a small number of posts. I'm quite positive that if you post any new idea (or comment on others) that you will be recognized by the community and the Reps (perhaps even the GMs?). As such, trying to get recognition in your sig is not only unnecessary, but comes across as arrogant and self-entitled. And on top of that, I'm pretty sure nobody cares about your real name, in fact some people are taking it as a further sign of arrogance and self-entitlement. It seems like not only do you want your posts to be recognized, but you want some of the recognition you've gotten to bleed into your real life.

Now, I understand YOU may not view your signature as such, but this is the way that many people are perceiving it. It DOES come across as arrogant, despite your intentions. However, I think there's a simple way to remedy this. Erase the part of your sig that contains your name/characters name. Also, keep in mind, that if it's intended to be a signature (as in you're signing your artwork, not a forum signature), then you may want to replace it with a typical signature that would typically be put on art that someone is proud of.

Simply changing your sig to either remove your name or replacing it with a "real" signature would help a lot, and help keep it as you describe it to be intended; a good drawing of something that you're proud of. Currently it comes across as screaming "LOOK AT ME EVERYONE! I CREATED THIS! I'M SO AWESOME! SEE MY NAME!? THAT PROVES IT WAS ME!!" Despite how you want it to be perceived, this is how it comes across to a number of people. Should be easy enough to rectify though.

[CrystalWeapon]

KF your troll sheild is chipping. You used to brush off and ignore troll/flame posts before, and carry on with a chipper attitude. Now it seems like they're baiting you quite effectively with each one. When you let the topic get derailed like this it only hurts the original post and ends up getting the thread locked.

I say this because I don't want you to get trolled into becoming unstable. If your topic is derailed for personal attacks, stick to your guns and get it back on the discussion at hand. The suggestion should be debated not the original poster who made it. Personal attacks should never be used to get a point across on either side of the arguement.

On the note on your sig, if it's really causing this much trouble why not change it? I understand you're proud of your idea and the work it took, but you are a really decent artist. I'm sure you could draw up something else that would show off your talents. If people are perceiving you as arrogant, change your sig and show you aren't. If people are assuming you're being too pushy with your ideas because of previous acknowledgement, then tone it down a bit and be a bit more humble with your suggestions. If trollers are getting under your skin to the point that you start arguing with them, take a step back take a deep breath and put the discussion back on the topic at hand.

The prosac and rainbows I talked about a while back are starting to wear off.

[kingfury]

@ CrystalWeapon:

lmao /kneel + /salute

You're absolutely right man. I should have let it fall to the side at all cost lol. I will say though that they're not just trolling about a suggestion, it's something I'm very passionate about which happens to be my art. My art is like my kids, and it's second nature to want to defend it I suppose.

I hear you in regards to just changing the thing, but do you really believe the likes of the folks that are having a piss fight over it will really all of a sudden change their tone if I did? If one person honestly gave me a detailed, and valid reason as to how my art is coming off in such a way in hindsight of everything I've defended it with, then I will talk seriously about it. That's the thing with this kind of thing though, NO ONE has >< Rewarding such behavior is very hard for me when the reasons are born from the wrong sources.

Thanks friend for the /check /salute

[CrystalWeapon]

@ CrystalWeapon:

lmao /kneel + /salute

You're absolutely right man. I should have let it fall to the side at all cost lol. I will say though that they're not just trolling about a suggestion, it's something I'm very passionate about which happens to be my art. My art is like my kids, and it's second nature to want to defend it I suppose.

I hear you in regards to just changing the thing, but do you really believe the likes of the folks that are having a piss fight over it will really all of a sudden change their tone if I did? If one person honestly gave me a detailed, and valid reason as to how my art is coming off in such a way in hindsight of everything I've defended it with, then I will talk seriously about it. That's the thing with this kind of thing though, NO ONE has >< Rewarding such behavior is very hard for me when the reasons are born from the wrong sources.

Thanks friend for the /check /salute

Fiarlia gave a pretty detailed reason as to why it would come as arrogant. I know you don't mean it to, but it does slightly come off as showoffish to having a suggestion that got attentioned highlighted in your signature. Yes trolls will be trollin regardless of what you do, but the sig does act like a gigantic bullseye strapped to your back.

I understand being proud of your art, I'm an artist myself. My medium is matte board with prisma colors over digital. I would get pissed if someone insulted or tried to steal my art, but the art isn't the point of arguement they're throwing at you. They're arguing that it shouldn't come with the whole "Gyms of Vana'Diel by Marcus Williams (Kingfury)". The sig would be less "In your face" and more modest if it were just a picture scaled down from the suggestion without the text.

A suggestion for posting that would get you less trolls would be, go in with an attitude of "this would be nice to change" over "this should be changed". I do not mean this in an insulting way, but textwise your posts have changed from the former to the latter. I see it as confidence over arrogance, but it can be percieved both ways.

Sorry that I have nothing to add to the actual OP at hand, but I wanted to chime in hoping that you don't get trolled to the point that you start yelling at the community like those trolled before you. I also wanted to try to give some insight as to why they are attacking you. Pride, arrogance, confidence tend to all come across the same way in plain text.

[kingfury]

Fiarlia gave a pretty detailed reason as to why it would come as arrogant.

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Yep, I've given him/her props for being descriptive ^^ Thanks again.

[Zyeriis]

If some one really wanted to do "troll" you, they wouldn't be here arguing, they'd be asking a Moderator to have your sig removed because it breaks the forum rules. I don't think you realize that giving away personal information (your name) is against the rules of the board but your name is in your signature. That's hardly the point though. Honestly, I've been starting to question if this thread as just an elaborate troll in the past 2 pages by you, for the sheer unwillingness to accept other people's perceptions. The fact that you cannot perceive what we perceive about your signature shows that no amount of explaining will do any good at this point. So, asking us to explain our personal perceptions on the matter is silly and at best a diversionary tactic.

Note, that I wasn't originally under the perception that you are completely arrogant but, I'm certainly getting there. It does have nothing to do with the topic (of which I tried to talk to you about and even offered a solution recently, which you ignored) but, your inability to just accept it and move on is ridiculous. That, itself, is arrogance: your inability to say there's any possibility that you were wrong. Your art is perceived as arrogant, get over it, unless you wish to continue to prove that perception right.

Hell, I've been trying to end this stupidity for awhile now, wondering when some one (any one) is going to get the hint instead of being stubborn about something as silly as a signature (arrogant or not). Need be reminded that the whole "arrogant" thing started because some one misused the word while trying to call some one ignorant, which is completely different (and ignorant in and of itself, lol irony).