Dark Knight and the Dev Team

[Anathiel]

Recently became deficient eh? I seem to remember back in 2005 getting kicked out of pt's because they found a rng. Or looking for a party for days before finally getting proficient at making my own parties before I got a static. Oh, and not being able to get into zilart or promathia missions. Right I guess this has only happened recently.

[Frost]

Recently became deficient eh? I seem to remember back in 2005 getting kicked out of pt's because they found a rng. Or looking for a party for days before finally getting proficient at making my own parties before I got a static. Oh, and not being able to get into zilart or promathia missions. Right I guess this has only happened recently.

Yes recently.

Really? Going to bring up Rangers? Really? You do recall they got nerfed to near extinction right? That's the worst example you could possibly come up with. You, as well as everyone got replaced by rangers because they were so ridiculously over powered at the time, and got "adjusted". Then everyone played Rdm, Blm, Nin, and Brd for about 3 years... Then they added the Two handed buff and pretty much every one-handed job fell to the wayside as Drks, Drgs, Sams and Wars got invites, casting off the one handers into exile for a few years(with a few exceptions).

Now, the pendulum has swung in the other direction, and the one hander jobs are enjoying a bit more of the limelight, but sharing said limelight instead of dominating it with those two-handers of yesteryear.

You guys make it seem like Darks are completely useless; like Darks are just under a melee Smn/Blm on the pecking order or something. I have no problem getting invites on my Drk or holding my own in a party nowadays. Most of the reason why I hold my own is that I adapt and enjoy the whole berth of the Dark job. And I'm not the only one having no issues. If you think it's so hard to play right now and that you're useless, while other Darks still holding top slots in a parse, getting invites on "your job", and don't see it as underpowered... You might want to think about maybe why YOU are having issues.

[Rayik]

Yes recently.

Really? Going to bring up Rangers? Really? You do recall they got nerfed to near extinction right? That's the worst example you could possibly come up with. You, as well as everyone got replaced by rangers because they were so ridiculously over powered at the time, and got "adjusted". Then everyone played Rdm, Blm, Nin, and Brd for about 3 years... Then they added the Two handed buff and pretty much every one-handed job fell to the wayside as Drks, Drgs, Sams and Wars got invites, casting off the one handers into exile for a few years(with a few exceptions).

Now, the pendulum has swung in the other direction, and the one hander jobs are enjoying a bit more of the limelight, but sharing said limelight instead of dominating it with those two-handers of yesteryear.

You guys make it seem like Darks are completely useless; like Darks are just under a melee Smn/Blm on the pecking order or something. I have no problem getting invites on my Drk or holding my own in a party nowadays. Most of the reason why I hold my own is that I adapt and enjoy the whole berth of the Dark job. And I'm not the only one having no issues. If you think it's so hard to play right now and that you're useless, while other Darks still holding top slots in a parse, getting invites on "your job", and don't see it as underpowered... You might want to think about maybe why YOU are having issues.

Try getting a party invite on something other than trash XP mobs. Only reason DRK gets invites to Abyssea parties is to fill up space in an alliance. Nobody goes out of there way to get a DRK, it's never "Ooh! a DRK, grab him!" Have fun fighting NM's or actually accomplishing something besides XP.

Addendum: I've been a DRK main for 4 years, leveled RDM a year and a half ago just so I had something useful at events(and I enjoyed the job). Even when I low-man with RL friends and family, they NEVER ask me to come DRK. They'd rather have me on my gimpy full-perle, Abyssea-burned WAR with red procs(skills barely high enough for that) than my full geared out and merited DRK.

[Frost]

@Flunklesnarkin: FFXII had "Scourge" which was pretty spiffy, they could add it to this game, Drk only, Good idea on the concept though. Hell they coudl have given us the old school "Demi" I, II, III, & IV(?) spells as "Dark Spells" instead of weak elemental spells they did give us.

Try getting a party invite on something other than trash XP mobs. Only reason DRK gets invites to Abyssea parties is to fill up space in an alliance. Nobody goes out of there way to get a DRK, it's never "Ooh! a DRK, grab him!" Have fun fighting NM's or actually accomplishing something besides XP.

First fallacy: You assume it's not like that for any if not all jobs.

Second fallacy: You forget, it's might not be the job, it might be you.
(Not you specifically, just the proverbial 'you'.)

And final thought on this line of ill-conceived bovine excrement. Get better friends. If I want to come dark, I do. And I am welcomed to do so. Because I know my role, and how to play the job to benefit the group, and my friends know I know what I am capable of, and don't second guess my ability.

So in retort I have no issue playing Dark as it is, nor getting invites, nor participating in larger scale events on Dark. I know I am able to show people it's not a "Weak Job", and that's easy because it's not a weak job.

Addendum: I've been a DRK main for 4 years, leveled RDM a year and a half ago just so I had something useful at events(and I enjoyed the job). Even when I low-man with RL friends and family, they NEVER ask me to come DRK. They'd rather have me on my gimpy full-perle, Abyssea-burned WAR with red procs(skills barely high enough for that) than my full geared out and merited DRK.

Then your friends suck, and judging by their actions as stated here, they don't respect you. Considering you have a self-admitted:

"gimpy full-perle, Abyssea-burned WAR with red procs (skills barely high enough for that)",

I'd assume you don't respect you. Why level a job you have no interest in? Why not gear it up if it's needed? Why can't you make a case to go Dark, when, if War's being used solely for proc'ing, it's barely different?

The answer isn't "Dark is weak"...

And I think the statement that you have skills barely high enough to proc reds on war speaks volumes; because that statement holds a 100% truth to your dark too... They're the same skills used on both. If you give a shit, they'll give a shit.

[Rayik]

@Flunklesnarkin: FFXII had "Scourge" which was pretty spiffy, they could add it to this game, Drk only, Good idea on the concept though. Hell they coudl have given us the old school "Demi" I, II, III, & IV(?) spells as "Dark Spells" instead of weak elemental spells they did give us.



First fallacy: You assume it's not like that for any if not all jobs.

Second fallacy: You forget, it's might not be the job, it might be you.
(Not you specifically, just the proverbial 'you'.)

And final thought on this line of ill-conceived bovine excrement. Get better friends. If I want to come dark, I do. And I am welcomed to do so. Because I know my role, and how to play the job to benefit the group, and my friends know I know what I am capable of, and don't second guess my ability.

So in retort I have no issue playing Dark as it is, nor getting invites, nor participating in larger scale events on Dark. I know I am able to show people it's not a "Weak Job", and that's easy because it's not a weak job.



Then your friends suck, and judging by their actions as stated here, they don't respect you. Considering you have a self-admitted:

"gimpy full-perle, Abyssea-burned WAR with red procs (skills barely high enough for that)",

I'd assume you don't respect you. Why level a job you have no interest in? Why not gear it up if it's needed? Why can't you make a case to go Dark, when, if War's being used solely for proc'ing, it's barely different?

The answer isn't "Dark is weak"...

And I think the statement that you have skills barely high enough to proc reds on war speaks volumes; because that statement holds a 100% truth to your dark too... They're the same skills used on both. If you give a shit, they'll give a shit.

When you started in with the "Fallacy" talk, I was ready to just skip over your entire comment. This isn't Harvard Law, take your pretentious "high class" attitude and go get all those snazzy party invites on DRK(other than filling up space in xp alliances). It's ok, I'll wait.

"Get better friends?" you say? I play with my wife and brother. Doesn't get much closer than that. It goes both ways; my brother loves to play COR and PUP, but neither see any use in Abyssea. Events outside Abyssea? Sure, I'll come DRK and DD with the best of them. Lately we do a lot of Abyssea stuff, so DRK sits on the shelf. Anything DRK can do in Abyssea, WAR can do better. I do enjoy playing WAR, I already had it leveled pretty high, then I was offered a key person slot in a aby pt, so I went ahead and grinded it up to 90. Viola! Suddenly I'm getting invited to all manner of NM pops, Zone Boss runs, etc.

Try it for yourself. Put up your party flag on DRK, and see what kinds of invites you get. I'm willing to bet you get nothing other than {Worm}{Party}Abyssea{La Theine Plateau}{Do you need it?}

Have fun fighting trash mobs for xp all day. It's all you're gonna get to do.

[Rezeak]

you sir GREATLY underestimate /sam...................

/facepalm - the lack of game mechanic knowledge in the DRK forum is exactly why the job will be left in the dungeon.

Agreed Taint.

I never said /SAM was worse all i'm saying is that people overlook /THF ALOT...

I mean in constant melee yes /SAM will win i use it, it utter wrecks /THF i mean look by the time you go to sneak attack a mob try and an 8k WS it's prolly gonna be half dead and it's a waste of time.
Maybe if u could line up SA at liek 90% of the mobs HP there would be room for work crap out but the fact Sneak attack takes time to line up while a /SAM is WSing and gaining another 30-40 tp just makes me /shrug i'll go /SAM.

But when it comes to NM i have found it has done far more damage because once we stagger red we try to do as much DMG as we can and the mob lasts like 10-30 secs so 1 300% Torcleaver will usally beat w/e would of done on /SAM in that time. (SA is easy to line up on terrored mobs)

Honestly disagree or w/e but it's not like i haven't tried /SAM and /THF alot i a never just use one.

As a side note if i was using Cala i'd use /SAM over /THF because the aftermath at 300% tp is a beast for DRK. (i'm using espafut +2)

Either way i use /THF for spiking my DMG over a short time and to gain access to dagger staggers if needed
and i use /SAM when i focus on Damage over time because like you all pointed out it wrecks /THF.

If trying to be versatile on one job is wrong i'm sorry.

[Kagato]

I never said /SAM was worse all i'm saying is that people overlook /THF ALOT...

I mean in constant melee yes /SAM will win i use it, it utter wrecks /THF i mean look by the time you go to sneak attack a mob try and an 8k WS it's prolly gonna be half dead and it's a waste of time.
Maybe if u could line up SA at liek 90% of the mobs HP there would be room for work crap out but the fact Sneak attack takes time to line up while a /SAM is WSing and gaining another 30-40 tp just makes me /shrug i'll go /SAM.

But when it comes to NM i have found it has done far more damage because once we stagger red we try to do as much DMG as we can and the mob lasts like 10-30 secs so 1 300% Torcleaver will usally beat w/e would of done on /SAM in that time. (SA is easy to line up on terrored mobs)

Honestly disagree or w/e but it's not like i haven't tried /SAM and /THF alot i a never just use one.

As a side note if i was using Cala i'd use /SAM over /THF because the aftermath at 300% tp is a beast for DRK. (i'm using espafut +2)

Either way i use /THF for spiking my DMG over a short time and to gain access to dagger staggers if needed
and i use /SAM when i focus on Damage over time because like you all pointed out it wrecks /THF.

If trying to be versatile on one job is wrong i'm sorry.

I can understand your side, actually. It's just there really isn't many situations that call for DRK/THF anymore. I've actually gone to an Isegbind low-man fight as DRK/THF because we thought that the occasional SATA Spinning Slash would be good every now and then, but it eventually stopped because I was too busy on stun duty anyway.

However, when a DRK isn't really DDing much and is mostly on Stun/WS duty, it's never a good idea to be /SAM due to the longer recast times. In a low-man run against something that casts -ga spells frequently, having Stun be ready in 30 seconds is better than having it ready in 1 minute. But typically I go to those types of events as /NIN.

So while I agree DRK/THF isn't really amazing much anymore, I would totally understand if you went to a NM as one. Just be sure to have some good regain atmas on to help proc or do your Spinning Slash frequently.

[Jar]

Try getting a party invite on something other than trash XP mobs. Only reason DRK gets invites to Abyssea parties is to fill up space in an alliance. Nobody goes out of there way to get a DRK, it's never "Ooh! a DRK, grab him!" Have fun fighting NM's or actually accomplishing something besides XP.

Addendum: I've been a DRK main for 4 years, leveled RDM a year and a half ago just so I had something useful at events(and I enjoyed the job). Even when I low-man with RL friends and family, they NEVER ask me to come DRK. They'd rather have me on my gimpy full-perle, Abyssea-burned WAR with red procs(skills barely high enough for that) than my full geared out and merited DRK.

i brag about having a job merited too

and if that gimp war your talking about is better than your "fully geared" DRK you are doing it wrong.

[Rayik]

i brag about having a job merited too

and if that gimp war your talking about is better than your "fully geared" DRK you are doing it wrong.

I didn't say it was "better". I said it people would rather have it, due to having all red procs. Try actually reading a post before you quote it.

[Kagato]

I didn't say it was "better". I said it people would rather have it, due to having all red procs. Try actually reading a post before you quote it.

You ask for the impossible, good sir.