Dark Knight and the Dev Team

[Frost]

@Flunklesnarkin: FFXII had "Scourge" which was pretty spiffy, they could add it to this game, Drk only, Good idea on the concept though. Hell they coudl have given us the old school "Demi" I, II, III, & IV(?) spells as "Dark Spells" instead of weak elemental spells they did give us.

Try getting a party invite on something other than trash XP mobs. Only reason DRK gets invites to Abyssea parties is to fill up space in an alliance. Nobody goes out of there way to get a DRK, it's never "Ooh! a DRK, grab him!" Have fun fighting NM's or actually accomplishing something besides XP.

First fallacy: You assume it's not like that for any if not all jobs.

Second fallacy: You forget, it's might not be the job, it might be you.
(Not you specifically, just the proverbial 'you'.)

And final thought on this line of ill-conceived bovine excrement. Get better friends. If I want to come dark, I do. And I am welcomed to do so. Because I know my role, and how to play the job to benefit the group, and my friends know I know what I am capable of, and don't second guess my ability.

So in retort I have no issue playing Dark as it is, nor getting invites, nor participating in larger scale events on Dark. I know I am able to show people it's not a "Weak Job", and that's easy because it's not a weak job.

Addendum: I've been a DRK main for 4 years, leveled RDM a year and a half ago just so I had something useful at events(and I enjoyed the job). Even when I low-man with RL friends and family, they NEVER ask me to come DRK. They'd rather have me on my gimpy full-perle, Abyssea-burned WAR with red procs(skills barely high enough for that) than my full geared out and merited DRK.

Then your friends suck, and judging by their actions as stated here, they don't respect you. Considering you have a self-admitted:

"gimpy full-perle, Abyssea-burned WAR with red procs (skills barely high enough for that)",

I'd assume you don't respect you. Why level a job you have no interest in? Why not gear it up if it's needed? Why can't you make a case to go Dark, when, if War's being used solely for proc'ing, it's barely different?

The answer isn't "Dark is weak"...

And I think the statement that you have skills barely high enough to proc reds on war speaks volumes; because that statement holds a 100% truth to your dark too... They're the same skills used on both. If you give a shit, they'll give a shit.

[RaenRyong]

Melee BRD might be able to outDD DRK. I haven't done the math on it, but looking at it, it seems likely... inside Abyssea of course.

[Quetzacoatl]

Melee BRD might be able to outDD DRK. I haven't done the math on it, but looking at it, it seems likely... inside Abyssea of course.

BlueGartr tested that a long time ago I thought. But yeah, if a BARD can out-damage a Dark Knight, something is seriously wrong.

[Frost]

Melee BRD might be able to outDD DRK. I haven't done the math on it, but looking at it, it seems likely... inside Abyssea of course.

I assume you're just trolling, but I'll bite...
If a melee bard and Drk were in the same party, and both receiving buffs, there's no way a melee Brd could out-damage a Drk. If only for the fact a Drk gets access to every offensive ability that bard has, save for requiem, while having access to generally better gear.

[Gradd]

Calling Raen a troll your just making yourself look like a retard. x:

Other than Kirschy he has to be one of the most knowledgeable DRKs out there.

Even Kirschy says DRK is worthless and when she is saying that much, you know something is wrong.

[Frost]

Calling Raen a troll your just making yourself look like a retard. x:

Other than Kirschy he has to be one of the most knowledgeable DRKs out there.

Even Kirschy says DRK is worthless and when she is saying that much, you know something is wrong.

I said that post was a toll post just due to the absurdity of the premise, not that Raen is a troll.

I like Raen's posts, and usually agree with what they have to say, and even in the case that I don't agree with what they say, I respect their opinion, because unlike a seemingly large vocal group of people coagulating here on the forum that seem to be autistic or something, Raen seems to be able to formulate thoughts properly, and convey them in a meaningful, generally constructive, way.

Idk what I am doing different, that makes my Dark preform acceptably. I've given clues, and I HAVE seen other darks struggle, but it's generally due to them not adopting new ideas and game-play elements. I've been trying to be nice about it, but maybe that's not getting the point across.

[Urteil]

I like how the entire purpose of this thread was to get it attention in the main general forums because SE ignores us.

And now its back here.

I'm seriously considering spamming it into the main thread, until I get an answer besides it being moved.

[Urteil]

A DRK/THF using Gswrd has nothing really going for it BUT the WS...

Don't forget the death, -40% PDT and a Caladbolg isn't going to stop that quick sweet death due to my shit sub!

[RaenRyong]

I assume you're just trolling, but I'll bite...
If a melee bard and Drk were in the same party, and both receiving buffs, there's no way a melee Brd could out-damage a Drk. If only for the fact a Drk gets access to every offensive ability that bard has, save for requiem, while having access to generally better gear.

I am trolling in a way, in that I'm posting that to gain a reaction. The reaction I want is the initial disbelief and then when you realise that what I just said isn't that far from the truth, the next reaction I want is the "... wtf? Fix DRK".

We can either assume nonempyrean for both, or give them both empyreans (remembering BRD has full access to ToM daggers). Both cap haste, DRK can 5hit if Scythe, 6hit if Gswrd. Guillotine is 3.875 fTP and Evisceration is 6 fTP with critical potential. Assuming a base damage of ~200 for Scythe and ~120 for Dagger, 775 vs 720 relative units of damage, before criticals - so obviously when criticals are taken into account, Evisceration will absolutely rape Guillotine (not to mention I've assumed same WSC for both, when Razed Ruins atma (which both should use) will greatly favour Evisceration etc).

So DRK has capped Haste, BRD has capped Haste and some DW reduction on what are already extremely high DoT daggers. If we assume Kila +2 x2, 43dmg/190delay => 86dmg/304delay(after DW), giving a "DPS" of ~17 (ignoring the STR/atk/DEX/acc on the daggers). DRK using Woeborn (131dmg/528delay) has a "DPS" of 14.9. This is unfair, you cry! I should give DRK its top magian too. This is true, but you'll soon come to the depressing conclusion that you need a perfect magian with perfect gear to keep up with a rather mundane melee bard (albeit one with empyrean daggers).

I haven't factored Last Resort or Hasso, both of which should push DRK over BRD. In fact, most of this math is highly approximate and should not be taken beyond face value, and I haven't extended it to play with Torcleaver. What I just want to show is that DRK is not much better than a melee BRD inside Abyssea - if you performed these calculations with almost any other melee, BRD would be absolutely destroyed even at the initial premise.

[Frost]

OK now do all that and use Swords and Axes instead of G.Sword &/or Scythe.

I understand that Drks use Scythe/G.sword, but you don't have to.

Why was it so easy for everyone to use polearm on War and Sam on birds back in the day, and yet it's like pulling teeth to get a Dark to adapt nowadays?

Take Abyssea out of the equation, and you get your scythe/g.sword. Put it back in and you can do fine using crit WS that are available ot you.