Dark Knight and the Dev Team

[Jar]

I really don't think BRD can keep up with DRK.

It's a bit like Melee WHM which i mess about with sure it has a Crit WS and sure it can cap haste and all that but it just ends up trying to cap out attack and wasting alot of the time buffing it self.

As for the /THF thing honestly u can say it only has the WS but ur DoT isn't that much different + ur WS rate is like minus one hit which agian ism't that bad for a 7 hit weapon(not sure if ya even lose a hit). Really DRK/THF i'm sure beats /SAM if you in the sitiutation were you can land sneak attack WS 80-90% of the time. Ps u can WS in between the Sneak attack recast :O

As for survivablity most of the nasty stuff is AoE third eye isn't gonna help here and if you have hate long enough to die from the melee then all the DDs with u are slacking and u'd prolly be top DD /NIN anyway.

you sir GREATLY underestimate /sam...................

[Taint]

I really don't think BRD can keep up with DRK.

It's a bit like Melee WHM which i mess about with sure it has a Crit WS and sure it can cap haste and all that but it just ends up trying to cap out attack and wasting alot of the time buffing it self.

As for the /THF thing honestly u can say it only has the WS but ur DoT isn't that much different + ur WS rate is like minus one hit which agian ism't that bad for a 7 hit weapon(not sure if ya even lose a hit). Really DRK/THF i'm sure beats /SAM if you in the sitiutation were you can land sneak attack WS 80-90% of the time. Ps u can WS in between the Sneak attack recast :O

As for survivablity most of the nasty stuff is AoE third eye isn't gonna help here and if you have hate long enough to die from the melee then all the DDs with u are slacking and u'd prolly be top DD /NIN anyway.

/facepalm - the lack of game mechanic knowledge in the DRK forum is exactly why the job will be left in the dungeon.

[Unctgtg]

/facepalm - the lack of game mechanic knowledge in the DRK forum is exactly why the job will be left in the dungeon.

Agreed Taint.

[Taint]

OK now do all that and use Swords and Axes instead of G.Sword &/or Scythe.

I understand that Drks use Scythe/G.sword, but you don't have to.

Why was it so easy for everyone to use polearm on War and Sam on birds back in the day, and yet it's like pulling teeth to get a Dark to adapt nowadays?

Take Abyssea out of the equation, and you get your scythe/g.sword. Put it back in and you can do fine using crit WS that are available ot you.

Axe/Ridill DRK is going to be better then a Scythe or GS DRK in Abyssea, but will continue to get PWNed by NIN,MNK,WAR,DRG,SAM,PUP etc. PA SAM worked because it took most SAMs from 6hit to 5hit and gave a multihit WS with a higher fTP then GKT WSs. As I've stated 20 times on this forum DRK has much bigger problems then a lack of critical WS. When people will perfect DRK gear say its trash, it probably is.

[Kagato]

Axe/Ridill DRK is going to be better then a Scythe or GS DRK in Abyssea, but will continue to get PWNed by NIN,MNK,WAR,DRG,SAM,PUP etc. PA SAM worked because it took most SAMs from 6hit to 5hit and gave a multihit WS with a higher fTP then GKT WSs. As I've stated 20 times on this forum DRK has much bigger problems then a lack of critical WS. When people will perfect DRK gear say its trash, it probably is.

Agreed. A critical WS is kind of nice, but it's only for Razed Ruins. DRKs are lacking in FAR more ways than just a critical WS. We need fixed job abilities and more not-useless spells and traits.

[Rezeak]

I'm using Torcleaver and yeah i'll use VV RR and Sea daughter (if i'm needed to stun i'll use Griffinclaw)

Either way thx for your reply i mean yea it situational and in my linkshell it works.

I think what alot of people miss is in abyssea the game is different from Linkshell to Linkshell and Mob to Mob i'm almost never in a situation where i'm needed to constantly melee so when pple throw up math that relates to that just makes me /facepalm cause it's not relative.

The only time this was relative to me was when i exped on DRK for the day they increased the lvl cap.

Basically noone i play with is going o Rezeak u don't understand DRK when i'm taking huge chunks out of NMs with well timed 6-16K Torcleavers (8k + 8k SC DMG)

Anyway saying that it's not like i play DRK/THF 100% of the time i also have my 5 Hit OAT/Def down Scythe build and my 6 Hit Torcleaver build (Espafut+2 delay) on /SAM there is a time and place for everything.

[Kagato]

I haven't made a def. down scythe myself so I really have nothing to say on that, but that OAT scythe looks good. Already was on my way to making one, but I quit since soloing Hippogryphs at 80 in Grauberg was too difficult. I could probably do it now, easy, but I just never really had any incentive to just yet. Too focused on getting armors and empyreans and just finishing a simple TP and WS set. From there I'll branch out and get more situational gears.

[Gradd]

Using stun recast timer as an excuse not to /sam because you are on stun duty is retarded. Its called don't use Seigan/Hasso Problem solved.

DRK/THF is horrible even at 75 it was garbage, its for Epeen nothing more nothing less.

/MNK will beat /NIN if you are put into a situation where you are suddenly tanking as well.

[Rezeak]

Using stun recast timer as an excuse not to /sam because you are on stun duty is retarded. Its called don't use Seigan/Hasso Problem solved.

DRK/THF is horrible even at 75 it was garbage, its for Epeen nothing more nothing less.

/MNK will beat /NIN if you are put into a situation where you are suddenly tanking as well.

DRK/THF for me was useful even at 75.

In Xarc.
I found after nearly 40-50 Dyna X runs DRK/THF beat my DRK/SAM in there infact it parsed as the highest DD or top 3 most of time i mean sure you can bash it but honestly if it's beating usukane SAMs and Ares WARs so it really comes down to this for me either all the all the WARs and SAMs that have played for 6 years at the time didn't know there job or DRK/THF acully functioned well.

On some Sea and Sky god it functioned well but after the STR = 0.75 attack thingy /SAM and /THF became so close /SAM won cause u didn't need to line up SATA unless we were slaming hate on 2 PLDs and i still went /THF for fun on Kirin.

Some ZNM /THF functioned well cause u could build TP on other mobs and just WS.

Anyway in my opinion it is situational and to overlook it would be silly.

Either way we just disagree as i said i have had experiences of it out performing /SAM through parses and such and yes it was extremely situational.

On another topic the OAT scythe isn't worth doing atm in abyssea you can get triple attack atmas which make the regular scythes perform better but outside it's pretty beastly considering it now has 96 base DMG ^^