Dark Knight and the Dev Team

[Rezeak]

I really don't think BRD can keep up with DRK.

It's a bit like Melee WHM which i mess about with sure it has a Crit WS and sure it can cap haste and all that but it just ends up trying to cap out attack and wasting alot of the time buffing it self.

As for the /THF thing honestly u can say it only has the WS but ur DoT isn't that much different + ur WS rate is like minus one hit which agian ism't that bad for a 7 hit weapon(not sure if ya even lose a hit). Really DRK/THF i'm sure beats /SAM if you in the sitiutation were you can land sneak attack WS 80-90% of the time. Ps u can WS in between the Sneak attack recast :O

As for survivablity most of the nasty stuff is AoE third eye isn't gonna help here and if you have hate long enough to die from the melee then all the DDs with u are slacking and u'd prolly be top DD /NIN anyway.

[Duelle]

DRK Elemental Magic; IMO, fix it or remove it.

Inspired by Suikoden II, I've always wanted an ability that let DRK cast an elemental spell on themselves then transferring the damage to the enemy on the next auto attack or something.

[RaenRyong]

As for the /THF thing honestly u can say it only has the WS but ur DoT isn't that much different + ur WS rate is like minus one hit which agian ism't that bad for a 7 hit weapon(not sure if ya even lose a hit). Really DRK/THF i'm sure beats /SAM if you in the sitiutation were you can land sneak attack WS 80-90% of the time. Ps u can WS in between the Sneak attack recast :O

if you lose 1 "tier" of x-hit, that's WS frequency -20% (6hit => 7hit) or -25% (5hit => 6hit).

Hasso is some minor STR boost (damage+<1%), acc+10 (if used, 5%+ damage increase, if not then meh) and Haste+10% (15%+~ damage increase). Meditate is some minor damage increase on the order of ~3% depending on how much you hold TP. Zanshin is minor but there. AND it gives you defenses.

/sam absolutely rapes /thf.

OK now do all that and use Swords and Axes instead of G.Sword &/or Scythe.

I understand that Drks use Scythe/G.sword, but you don't have to.

Why was it so easy for everyone to use polearm on War and Sam on birds back in the day, and yet it's like pulling teeth to get a Dark to adapt nowadays?

Take Abyssea out of the equation, and you get your scythe/g.sword. Put it back in and you can do fine using crit WS that are available ot you.

Because our weapon lineups for both of these suck. Can't magian either of them.

[Jar]

Try getting a party invite on something other than trash XP mobs. Only reason DRK gets invites to Abyssea parties is to fill up space in an alliance. Nobody goes out of there way to get a DRK, it's never "Ooh! a DRK, grab him!" Have fun fighting NM's or actually accomplishing something besides XP.

Addendum: I've been a DRK main for 4 years, leveled RDM a year and a half ago just so I had something useful at events(and I enjoyed the job). Even when I low-man with RL friends and family, they NEVER ask me to come DRK. They'd rather have me on my gimpy full-perle, Abyssea-burned WAR with red procs(skills barely high enough for that) than my full geared out and merited DRK.

i brag about having a job merited too

and if that gimp war your talking about is better than your "fully geared" DRK you are doing it wrong.

[Jar]

I really don't think BRD can keep up with DRK.

It's a bit like Melee WHM which i mess about with sure it has a Crit WS and sure it can cap haste and all that but it just ends up trying to cap out attack and wasting alot of the time buffing it self.

As for the /THF thing honestly u can say it only has the WS but ur DoT isn't that much different + ur WS rate is like minus one hit which agian ism't that bad for a 7 hit weapon(not sure if ya even lose a hit). Really DRK/THF i'm sure beats /SAM if you in the sitiutation were you can land sneak attack WS 80-90% of the time. Ps u can WS in between the Sneak attack recast :O

As for survivablity most of the nasty stuff is AoE third eye isn't gonna help here and if you have hate long enough to die from the melee then all the DDs with u are slacking and u'd prolly be top DD /NIN anyway.

you sir GREATLY underestimate /sam...................

[Taint]

OK now do all that and use Swords and Axes instead of G.Sword &/or Scythe.

I understand that Drks use Scythe/G.sword, but you don't have to.

Why was it so easy for everyone to use polearm on War and Sam on birds back in the day, and yet it's like pulling teeth to get a Dark to adapt nowadays?

Take Abyssea out of the equation, and you get your scythe/g.sword. Put it back in and you can do fine using crit WS that are available ot you.

Axe/Ridill DRK is going to be better then a Scythe or GS DRK in Abyssea, but will continue to get PWNed by NIN,MNK,WAR,DRG,SAM,PUP etc. PA SAM worked because it took most SAMs from 6hit to 5hit and gave a multihit WS with a higher fTP then GKT WSs. As I've stated 20 times on this forum DRK has much bigger problems then a lack of critical WS. When people will perfect DRK gear say its trash, it probably is.

[Taint]

I really don't think BRD can keep up with DRK.

It's a bit like Melee WHM which i mess about with sure it has a Crit WS and sure it can cap haste and all that but it just ends up trying to cap out attack and wasting alot of the time buffing it self.

As for the /THF thing honestly u can say it only has the WS but ur DoT isn't that much different + ur WS rate is like minus one hit which agian ism't that bad for a 7 hit weapon(not sure if ya even lose a hit). Really DRK/THF i'm sure beats /SAM if you in the sitiutation were you can land sneak attack WS 80-90% of the time. Ps u can WS in between the Sneak attack recast :O

As for survivablity most of the nasty stuff is AoE third eye isn't gonna help here and if you have hate long enough to die from the melee then all the DDs with u are slacking and u'd prolly be top DD /NIN anyway.

/facepalm - the lack of game mechanic knowledge in the DRK forum is exactly why the job will be left in the dungeon.

[Unctgtg]

/facepalm - the lack of game mechanic knowledge in the DRK forum is exactly why the job will be left in the dungeon.

Agreed Taint.

[Kagato]

Axe/Ridill DRK is going to be better then a Scythe or GS DRK in Abyssea, but will continue to get PWNed by NIN,MNK,WAR,DRG,SAM,PUP etc. PA SAM worked because it took most SAMs from 6hit to 5hit and gave a multihit WS with a higher fTP then GKT WSs. As I've stated 20 times on this forum DRK has much bigger problems then a lack of critical WS. When people will perfect DRK gear say its trash, it probably is.

Agreed. A critical WS is kind of nice, but it's only for Razed Ruins. DRKs are lacking in FAR more ways than just a critical WS. We need fixed job abilities and more not-useless spells and traits.

[Rayik]

@Flunklesnarkin: FFXII had "Scourge" which was pretty spiffy, they could add it to this game, Drk only, Good idea on the concept though. Hell they coudl have given us the old school "Demi" I, II, III, & IV(?) spells as "Dark Spells" instead of weak elemental spells they did give us.



First fallacy: You assume it's not like that for any if not all jobs.

Second fallacy: You forget, it's might not be the job, it might be you.
(Not you specifically, just the proverbial 'you'.)

And final thought on this line of ill-conceived bovine excrement. Get better friends. If I want to come dark, I do. And I am welcomed to do so. Because I know my role, and how to play the job to benefit the group, and my friends know I know what I am capable of, and don't second guess my ability.

So in retort I have no issue playing Dark as it is, nor getting invites, nor participating in larger scale events on Dark. I know I am able to show people it's not a "Weak Job", and that's easy because it's not a weak job.



Then your friends suck, and judging by their actions as stated here, they don't respect you. Considering you have a self-admitted:

"gimpy full-perle, Abyssea-burned WAR with red procs (skills barely high enough for that)",

I'd assume you don't respect you. Why level a job you have no interest in? Why not gear it up if it's needed? Why can't you make a case to go Dark, when, if War's being used solely for proc'ing, it's barely different?

The answer isn't "Dark is weak"...

And I think the statement that you have skills barely high enough to proc reds on war speaks volumes; because that statement holds a 100% truth to your dark too... They're the same skills used on both. If you give a shit, they'll give a shit.

When you started in with the "Fallacy" talk, I was ready to just skip over your entire comment. This isn't Harvard Law, take your pretentious "high class" attitude and go get all those snazzy party invites on DRK(other than filling up space in xp alliances). It's ok, I'll wait.

"Get better friends?" you say? I play with my wife and brother. Doesn't get much closer than that. It goes both ways; my brother loves to play COR and PUP, but neither see any use in Abyssea. Events outside Abyssea? Sure, I'll come DRK and DD with the best of them. Lately we do a lot of Abyssea stuff, so DRK sits on the shelf. Anything DRK can do in Abyssea, WAR can do better. I do enjoy playing WAR, I already had it leveled pretty high, then I was offered a key person slot in a aby pt, so I went ahead and grinded it up to 90. Viola! Suddenly I'm getting invited to all manner of NM pops, Zone Boss runs, etc.

Try it for yourself. Put up your party flag on DRK, and see what kinds of invites you get. I'm willing to bet you get nothing other than {Worm}{Party}Abyssea{La Theine Plateau}{Do you need it?}

Have fun fighting trash mobs for xp all day. It's all you're gonna get to do.