Do something about the AH and lower level gear????

[Olor]

Wow. The OP has said numerous times that this thread is not about making money it is about the fact that there is very little to buy for lower levels. He is right. When people on the LS are asking if ANYONE has seer gear to sell - and the answer is "no" - so they are just SoL.

Guess what? Seer gear is crafted only. It doesn't matter how much money a person has if no one is selling it. So for crying out loud - stop making this thread about how noobs should just work harder to make money - and talk about the actual issue - or don't bother posting at all.

Numerous times crafters have said it isn't worth their time to make these things because there are not a lot of new players coming in. It is true. There are not a lot of new players coming in. Out of the ones coming in, there will be very few that are going to have enough gil to make higher level players feel like "crafting for low levels is worth their time." Hell, even if every new player was a gil-making machine - it wouldn't matter cause there are not enough of them to keep things moving on the auction house, so likely as not crafters will still feel like it isn't worth their time.

The game is top-heavy. The gear system was designed with a playerbase with more even level spreads in mind. It was designed with the idea that people would be leveling crafts and skilling up by making gear.

So while all of you can say "oh you don't need the gear anyway - level sync in the dunes till you're 30 then leech Abyssea till cap" but that is not an option for new players. And if new players want to make gil they need decent gears so that they won't die while they are trying to do it. Those gears are not available - AT ALL most of the time.

What happens is the lack of gear is contributing to the lack of new players because - honest to god, there are people who quit over the fact they can't find any equipment.

[cidbahamut]

Wow. The OP has said numerous times that this thread is not about making money it is about the fact that there is very little to buy for lower levels.

This thread is entirely about making gil. Crafter's don't make gil on low level crafted items, therefore crafters don't craft low level items.

It really is that straight forward.

[Olor]

This thread is entirely about making gil. Crafter's don't make gil on low level crafted items, therefore crafters don't craft low level items.

Yes and no. No, it is not about noobs making money like so many people are trying to make it about, because as I said above, even if all noobs were gil making machines (which is unfair to expect them to be, because they are NOOBS) - there are not enough of them for crafters to bother with.

Yes, it is about the fact that crafters can't be arsed to make something for a small profit that takes a long time to sell because there are few noobs and fewer with much gil to their names - and no, I don't blame them for that.

So, what this thread is actually about is ideas about how SE can fix the problem (and yes there is a problem) - which is that atm a lot of gear just isn't being made, and won't be made because there is not enough new players to create the kind of demand/profit that will motivate the current crafters we have.

My suggestions are:

either
-offering some of the crafted only gear on npcs at affordable rates OR
-increasing the skill up rate on crafting so that more people give leveling it a chance/it is more affordable for new players to level it

Other suggestions would be awesome.

[Greatguardian]

This thread was turned into "How can noobs make money" barely a page or two in after the solution to all of this was presented multiple times.

If materials are made readily available, and patrons are actually willing to pay for a crafter's time, low level gear will become a viable market. If materials remain almost impossible to find (or simply at inflated prices), and final products remain a complete profit loss to even put up on the AH, no crafter in the world would waste their time making low level gear.

That's all there is to it. It has nothing to do with leveling or Abyssea and everything to do with people being unwilling to supply crafters or pay for their skills. Without the massive RMT influx of basic materials, the responsibility to maintain a steady influx of Mining/Harvesting/Logging goods is back on low level players.

Players are extremely spoiled. They don't understand that the reason a lot of things were so cheap back in the day was solely because of the RMT influence (they caused the supply of many items to soar). Not only do they want a large stock of armor available on the AH, but they also want it cheap. Really cheap. Cheaper than the base materials. Whenever crafters try fixing prices to break even, it becomes "Greedy crafters are trying to rip me off. I can't make any gil. I can't afford to pay them. I don't want to work for this armor. I just want them to give it to me because they're rich and I'm not. Not everyone knows what ffxiah is. It's not fair to expect new players to be able to get any gil. Why can't the armor be cheaper?"

This is all it comes down to. As myself and others have already said a few times in this thread; make it worth our time to craft low level armor and we'll do it. We aren't going to go eat massive losses and hunt for basic materials all day just to please some people that complain about spending 5k-10k gil.

[cidbahamut]

There's very little incentive to craft gear at any level these days.

[Bubeeky]

Players are extremely spoiled. They don't understand that the reason a lot of things were so cheap back in the day was solely because of the RMT influence (they caused the supply of many items to soar). Not only do they want a large stock of armor available on the AH, but they also want it cheap. Really cheap. Cheaper than the base materials. Whenever crafters try fixing prices to break even, it becomes "Greedy crafters are trying to rip me off. I can't make any gil. I can't afford to pay them. I don't want to work for this armor. I just want them to give it to me because they're rich and I'm not. Not everyone knows what ffxiah is. It's not fair to expect new players to be able to get any gil. Why can't the armor be cheaper?"

So true...in my experience, crafting doesn't give a huge profit till the end, but ppl complain about the massive prices, not realizing the price that the crafter had to pay to make the item.

[Wenceslao]

some mobs who drops pieces of armor should be droping it more often so ppls have a better change to obtaining it, and thus using it or selling it at AH, items that are used to synth should be easier to get (like an example a wamoura thread), as sometimes the items are hard to get and thus ignored by crafters, whats teh point on doing something that is to much a trouble and won't give me a profit, if these items have an easier way to get, more armors, weapons, furnishings, etc, should be able to be crafted and thus put on AH, there are other items players are looking after (like ancient currency) that could be sellable and thus starting to full Ah, idk, this is my idea, personally i like clothcrafting no matter its useless now, n if i could get some materials easier, i could craft more and more clothes and sell 'em at the AH i think many crafters or regular players stops using AH because there is no point on buying a weak armor i won't be using much time because of abyssea, sadly this is hurting new players, as they don't have the biggest armor/wps of the game, or at least the ones used in mostly pt situations (like AF before abyss armor, or empyrean sets)....

[Fiarlia]

I read the entire thread, thanks. But I guess stooping to personal insults levels up your reading comprehension skills, amirite?

Not sure where I insulted anyone, just said that people either aren't reading everything, or comprehending everything, or both. Though if you did read the entire thread, where on earth did you get the idea I was against it? I'm serious, point out where I've said they shouldn't do something. The "worst" I did was state that it wasn't necessary, and then explained why, even stating that it'd be nice if they did anyway in some of the same posts.

And gear not being on the AH is not a legitimate reason as to why players can't get gear. There are many ways to go about getting gear, including with gil (see what I did there? made gil relevant to the discussion because pretending it's not is ludicrous). Buy or farm the mats and find a crafter. Most all crafters would be willing to take a minute or so of their time and craft something that the materials are provided for. Many of them would also likely do it without an extra fee. Thinking about alternative options and following through must apparently be an incredibly hard thing to do for new players, given the amount of people arguing that it's impossible to get gear.

[chubrocka]

Wow. The OP has said numerous times that this thread is not about making money it is about the fact that there is very little to buy for lower levels. He is right. When people on the LS are asking if ANYONE has seer gear to sell - and the answer is "no" - so they are just SoL.

Guess what? Seer gear is crafted only. It doesn't matter how much money a person has if no one is selling it. So for crying out loud - stop making this thread about how noobs should just work harder to make money - and talk about the actual issue - or don't bother posting at all.

Numerous times crafters have said it isn't worth their time to make these things because there are not a lot of new players coming in. It is true. There are not a lot of new players coming in. Out of the ones coming in, there will be very few that are going to have enough gil to make higher level players feel like "crafting for low levels is worth their time." Hell, even if every new player was a gil-making machine - it wouldn't matter cause there are not enough of them to keep things moving on the auction house, so likely as not crafters will still feel like it isn't worth their time.

The game is top-heavy. The gear system was designed with a playerbase with more even level spreads in mind. It was designed with the idea that people would be leveling crafts and skilling up by making gear.

So while all of you can say "oh you don't need the gear anyway - level sync in the dunes till you're 30 then leech Abyssea till cap" but that is not an option for new players. And if new players want to make gil they need decent gears so that they won't die while they are trying to do it. Those gears are not available - AT ALL most of the time.

What happens is the lack of gear is contributing to the lack of new players because - honest to god, there are people who quit over the fact they can't find any equipment.

Thank you Olor. Im glad there are atleast a few who get it.

[Flunklesnarkin]

OP is flipping out about crafting lulz

The problem is entirely about crafting... either find a crafter or level up a craft skill...

although finding a crafter is really easy these days....