Do something about the AH and lower level gear????

[chubrocka]

Chub dont even bother with "help posts" people here are flame trolling wannabes who think they know everything. This forum is 10% useful 90% of an eye strain.

Just deal with it your way and move on

GENNADI!!!! nice to see you.... I understand what you mean. Its tough though. There are too few players like you and i left i guess.

This post wasnt a help post but a try to get SE to see what is happening to new players. It was also to reach out for ideas on how to make it better for them also. It seems it turned to "How i make money" and you suck if you cant do it crap.. Well if it gets to one person SE side and they see it, maybe it can make a difference.

I just wish there could be open thought on fixing something, not bashing. Ive only seen what 3 real ideas on how we can improve it....

[Fiarlia]

GENNADI!!!! nice to see you.... I understand what you mean. Its tough though. There are too few players like you and i left i guess.

This post wasnt a help post but a try to get SE to see what is happening to new players. It was also to reach out for ideas on how to make it better for them also. It seems it turned to "How i make money" and you suck if you cant do it crap.. Well if it gets to one person SE side and they see it, maybe it can make a difference.

I just wish there could be open thought on fixing something, not bashing. Ive only seen what 3 real ideas on how we can improve it....

I don't think anyone is bashing, and I don't think anyone is saying that making it easier would be bad.

Just that it's... not necessary, since it's not. There's a ridiculous amount of ways to make gil, and many ways to learn about it, even without having to look a a single website.

It'd be nice, sure, but in no way is it as big a deal as it's being made out to be.

[chubrocka]

I don't think anyone is bashing, and I don't think anyone is saying that making it easier would be bad.

Just that it's... not necessary, since it's not. There's a ridiculous amount of ways to make gil, and many ways to learn about it, even without having to look a a single website.

It'd be nice, sure, but in no way is it as big a deal as it's being made out to be.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT MAKING MONEY in anyway shape or form.... please people READ the post. Not the OFF TOPIC subs people seem to be adding or making.

Sorry Fiarlia, this wasnt meant to you personally. It is said in general

[Fiarlia]

THIS IS NOT ABOUT MAKING MONEY in anyway shape or form.... please people READ the post. Not the OFF TOPIC subs people seem to be adding or making.

Sorry Fiarlia, this wasnt meant to you personally. It is said in general

Read what we're writing. You can currently acquire gear with gil, be it on the AH if it's up, from an NPC if it's not, or farm/buy the materials and find a crafter. Or one of the various (and I mean lots by that) other methods mentioned.

Nothing at all is broken. Nothing. This is not a flame, because I certainly wouldn't be opposed to making it easier for lower leveled players to gear themselves. The point is that this is not really necessary because it's already pretty easy, as evidenced by countless posts and people in this very thread.

Nice? Yes.
Necessary? No.
As big a deal as you're making it out to be? Absolutely not.
Ways to get gear already implemented? Many.
Have examples been given? Yes.
Do ways exist for you/returning players/new players to find this information? Absolutely.
Do these ways to learn how exist in game and out? Yep.

Seriously, chill out, and instead of continuing to argue about whether it's hard or not and screaming that people aren't reading your original post try following some of the advice listed (generally involves making money, hence the number of posts directed at the subject).

[chubrocka]

Read what we're writing. You can currently acquire gear with gil, be it on the AH if it's up, from an NPC if it's not, or farm/buy the materials and find a crafter. Or one of the various (and I mean lots by that) other methods mentioned.

Nothing at all is broken. Nothing. This is not a flame, because I certainly wouldn't be opposed to making it easier for lower leveled players to gear themselves. The point is that this is not really necessary because it's already pretty easy, as evidenced by countless posts and people in this very thread.

Nice? Yes.
Necessary? No.
As big a deal as you're making it out to be? Absolutely not.
Ways to get gear already implemented? Many.
Have examples been given? Yes.
Do ways exist for you/returning players/new players to find this information? Absolutely.
Do these ways to learn how exist in game and out? Yep.

Seriously, chill out, and instead of continuing to argue about whether it's hard or not and screaming that people aren't reading your original post try following some of the advice listed (generally involves making money, hence the number of posts directed at the subject).

WoW.. maybe this will help you understand. Ive been playing this game for 7 years. I dont need anything. Im not trying to get anything. What you and others are not understanding/seeing/reading is that we need to do something for NEWER players to be able to have the same or close to in usage of an AH. This has Nothing to do with ME or my play style.

[Ayasha]

To Chubrocka

Then please explain why you're getting so offensive? No one is berating you. No one is calling your ideas absurd or ridiculous. You posted a VALID argument for your original post, however that's all it is... an Argument. In such, people will argue with you. We have the right to disagree with you as much as your right to be offended by everything we say. Given that you've played for 7 years (I'm right there with you) then you know how things were. Camping AIR ELEMENTAL spawn points just to make a few gil to buy a spell or two from a vendor. Farming ridiculous amounts of silk threads, wild onions, and beehive chips to make ends meet. Camping Valkurm Emperor, Leaping Lizzy, Hoo Mjuu the Torrent, and Mee Deggi for days upon weeks on end just for a CHANCE at getting a drop for gear. Did you quit playing because it was trying?

Bottom line up front, no. You didn't. And neither did I. This game isn't hard, and there's nothing that needs to be fixed for new players. I'll play the devil's advocate here and agree with you that crafting is a thing of the past. However, there are still crafters out there that will make whatever you want if you can provide the materials to do so. Changing the way low-mid level gear is obtained will entirely negate all the hard work crafters have put in to their field to make the items that no one wants anyways.

This game is all about incentives. If you GIVE things to people, or make things stupid easy to get, you'll just get a huge flux of perma-noobs with lack-luster skill, and the Veruka Salt mentality. (I'm talking to YOU Abyssea). My point is that I'd like to see things revert back to their roots.

You get out what you put in.

P.S.

"WoW"? Typo, or Subtle analogy?

[Fiarlia]

"WoW"? Typo, or Subtle analogy?

Freudian Slip? >___________>

[Fiarlia]

I missed one tiny point that you were talking about others and not yourself and you completely ignored the rest of my entire post, which itself is still completely valid when applied to new players.

Here, then, I'll repost it and not direct it at you as a person, but rather to new players, try rereading it again and see if you can get the point.

Read what we're writing. New players can currently acquire gear with gil, be it on the AH if it's up, from an NPC if it's not, or farm/buy the materials and find a crafter. Or one of the various (and I mean lots by that) other methods mentioned.

Nothing at all is broken. Nothing. This is not a flame, because I certainly wouldn't be opposed to making it easier for lower leveled new players to gear themselves. The point is that this is not really necessary because it's already pretty easy, as evidenced by countless posts and people in this very thread.

Nice? Yes.
Necessary? No.
As big a deal as you're making it out to be? Absolutely not.
Ways to get gear already implemented? Many.
Have examples been given? Yes.
Do ways exist for new players to find this information? Absolutely.
Do these ways to learn how exist in game and out? Yep.

Seriously, chill out, and instead of continuing to argue about whether it's hard or not and screaming that people aren't reading your original post try understanding that new players can follow some of the advice listed (generally involves making money, hence the number of posts directed at the subject).

[Olor]

Read what we're writing. You can currently acquire gear with gil, be it on the AH if it's up, from an NPC if it's not, or farm/buy the materials and find a crafter. Or one of the various (and I mean lots by that) other methods mentioned.

Nothing at all is broken. Nothing.

Actually the fact that there is very little gear between 1-50 on the AH at any time IS broken. It isn't even about gil - it is about the fact that you simply can't buy it if it isn't there... and if you truly think paying an npc X3 what a crappy piece of gear is worth is the solution for a newb - you're outta your mind.

If crafters don't think making gear is worth their time - then something is broken - either SE needs to make crafting skill ups come faster (thus encouraging new players to give it a try) - or they need to stock npcs with more gear that costs less.

The game economy was originally made with a playerbase that was -mostly- low level with some high levels in mind. Now that the game is so top heavy, things need to be adjusted. As for people saying stacks of onions sell for so much yadda ya - last time I sold them I got like 8K and that was pretty much the price they were when I sold them 2 years ago on my old char on a different server.

I've also tried farming onions on a lvl 7 or 8 job only to have a level 90 thf come and sweep the area clean of mobs. Great. Now I get no money, and no experience points. That was fun! I guess I can sit down and wait for respawn now. Sure is fun playing this game!

If you want the game to wither away before it's time you will continue to accuse new players of being lazy. If you were smart, however, you would realize new players will extend the life of this game - and support measures which don't hurt you, but help new players.

Seriously- if you don't want to make newbie armor - why would you be against measures to help new players get some?

[Fiarlia]

Actually the fact that there is very little gear between 1-50 on the AH at any time IS broken. It isn't even about gil - it is about the fact that you simply can't buy it if it isn't there... and if you truly think paying an npc X3 what a crappy piece of gear is worth is the solution for a newb - you're outta your mind.

If crafters don't think making gear is worth their time - then something is broken - either SE needs to make crafting skill ups come faster (thus encouraging new players to give it a try) - or they need to stock npcs with more gear that costs less.

The game economy was originally made with a playerbase that was -mostly- low level with some high levels in mind. Now that the game is so top heavy, things need to be adjusted. As for people saying stacks of onions sell for so much yadda ya - last time I sold them I got like 8K and that was pretty much the price they were when I sold them 2 years ago on my old char on a different server.

I've also tried farming onions on a lvl 7 or 8 job only to have a level 90 thf come and sweep the area clean of mobs. Great. Now I get no money, and no experience points. That was fun! I guess I can sit down and wait for respawn now. Sure is fun playing this game!

If you want the game to wither away before it's time you will continue to accuse new players of being lazy. If you were smart, however, you would realize new players will extend the life of this game - and support measures which don't hurt you, but help new players.

Seriously- if you don't want to make newbie armor - why would you be against measures to help new players get some?

Try reading through the actual topic, every single point you made has already been addressed, and I've said multiple times I'm not against helping, it's just not necessary.

Geez, people seriously need to go level and cap their reading comprehension skills.