Do something about the AH and lower level gear????

[chubrocka]

I don't think anyone is bashing, and I don't think anyone is saying that making it easier would be bad.

Just that it's... not necessary, since it's not. There's a ridiculous amount of ways to make gil, and many ways to learn about it, even without having to look a a single website.

It'd be nice, sure, but in no way is it as big a deal as it's being made out to be.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT MAKING MONEY in anyway shape or form.... please people READ the post. Not the OFF TOPIC subs people seem to be adding or making.

Sorry Fiarlia, this wasnt meant to you personally. It is said in general

[Ayasha]

Jesus christ. What is wrong with you people.. This isnt a bash on anything thread, its not even a CRAFTING thread, its an idea thread to help solve the issue for new players who dont have the same beginnings players have had for years. Get off the crap and come up with IDEAS on how to make it better. No BS of lazy or effort or anything like that. 5 years ago AH was FULL. AH is a ghost town now. I want to play this game for many more years and if we dont find ways to solve things then we will lose the new blood and all of players who have been around since the beginning will have to find another game to play.

I understand your plight, however if you would use your critical thinking skills, and put down your "DON'T FLAME ME ELL OH ELL!!!!111one" shield, you would have understood the point I was trying to make.

Since this is a public forum, and also my right to disagree with you, I'll write it point blank. Nothing needs to be fixed. Gear is incredibly easy to get if people would (and this might shock you here, but hey! It's an IDEA!) STOP RELYING ON SQUARE-ENIX TO FIX THINGS THAT AREN'T BROKEN, AND DO A LITTLE WORK FOR THEMSELVES. You have all the tools available to excel at this game available to you. You just need to earn it.

Give a man a fish and he eats for a day... Teach a man to fish and... you know the rest.

Edited because I suck at the internet.

[Fiarlia]

THIS IS NOT ABOUT MAKING MONEY in anyway shape or form.... please people READ the post. Not the OFF TOPIC subs people seem to be adding or making.

Sorry Fiarlia, this wasnt meant to you personally. It is said in general

Read what we're writing. You can currently acquire gear with gil, be it on the AH if it's up, from an NPC if it's not, or farm/buy the materials and find a crafter. Or one of the various (and I mean lots by that) other methods mentioned.

Nothing at all is broken. Nothing. This is not a flame, because I certainly wouldn't be opposed to making it easier for lower leveled players to gear themselves. The point is that this is not really necessary because it's already pretty easy, as evidenced by countless posts and people in this very thread.

Nice? Yes.
Necessary? No.
As big a deal as you're making it out to be? Absolutely not.
Ways to get gear already implemented? Many.
Have examples been given? Yes.
Do ways exist for you/returning players/new players to find this information? Absolutely.
Do these ways to learn how exist in game and out? Yep.

Seriously, chill out, and instead of continuing to argue about whether it's hard or not and screaming that people aren't reading your original post try following some of the advice listed (generally involves making money, hence the number of posts directed at the subject).

[chubrocka]

Read what we're writing. You can currently acquire gear with gil, be it on the AH if it's up, from an NPC if it's not, or farm/buy the materials and find a crafter. Or one of the various (and I mean lots by that) other methods mentioned.

Nothing at all is broken. Nothing. This is not a flame, because I certainly wouldn't be opposed to making it easier for lower leveled players to gear themselves. The point is that this is not really necessary because it's already pretty easy, as evidenced by countless posts and people in this very thread.

Nice? Yes.
Necessary? No.
As big a deal as you're making it out to be? Absolutely not.
Ways to get gear already implemented? Many.
Have examples been given? Yes.
Do ways exist for you/returning players/new players to find this information? Absolutely.
Do these ways to learn how exist in game and out? Yep.

Seriously, chill out, and instead of continuing to argue about whether it's hard or not and screaming that people aren't reading your original post try following some of the advice listed (generally involves making money, hence the number of posts directed at the subject).

WoW.. maybe this will help you understand. Ive been playing this game for 7 years. I dont need anything. Im not trying to get anything. What you and others are not understanding/seeing/reading is that we need to do something for NEWER players to be able to have the same or close to in usage of an AH. This has Nothing to do with ME or my play style.

[Fiarlia]

I missed one tiny point that you were talking about others and not yourself and you completely ignored the rest of my entire post, which itself is still completely valid when applied to new players.

Here, then, I'll repost it and not direct it at you as a person, but rather to new players, try rereading it again and see if you can get the point.

Read what we're writing. New players can currently acquire gear with gil, be it on the AH if it's up, from an NPC if it's not, or farm/buy the materials and find a crafter. Or one of the various (and I mean lots by that) other methods mentioned.

Nothing at all is broken. Nothing. This is not a flame, because I certainly wouldn't be opposed to making it easier for lower leveled new players to gear themselves. The point is that this is not really necessary because it's already pretty easy, as evidenced by countless posts and people in this very thread.

Nice? Yes.
Necessary? No.
As big a deal as you're making it out to be? Absolutely not.
Ways to get gear already implemented? Many.
Have examples been given? Yes.
Do ways exist for new players to find this information? Absolutely.
Do these ways to learn how exist in game and out? Yep.

Seriously, chill out, and instead of continuing to argue about whether it's hard or not and screaming that people aren't reading your original post try understanding that new players can follow some of the advice listed (generally involves making money, hence the number of posts directed at the subject).

[Ayasha]

To Chubrocka

Then please explain why you're getting so offensive? No one is berating you. No one is calling your ideas absurd or ridiculous. You posted a VALID argument for your original post, however that's all it is... an Argument. In such, people will argue with you. We have the right to disagree with you as much as your right to be offended by everything we say. Given that you've played for 7 years (I'm right there with you) then you know how things were. Camping AIR ELEMENTAL spawn points just to make a few gil to buy a spell or two from a vendor. Farming ridiculous amounts of silk threads, wild onions, and beehive chips to make ends meet. Camping Valkurm Emperor, Leaping Lizzy, Hoo Mjuu the Torrent, and Mee Deggi for days upon weeks on end just for a CHANCE at getting a drop for gear. Did you quit playing because it was trying?

Bottom line up front, no. You didn't. And neither did I. This game isn't hard, and there's nothing that needs to be fixed for new players. I'll play the devil's advocate here and agree with you that crafting is a thing of the past. However, there are still crafters out there that will make whatever you want if you can provide the materials to do so. Changing the way low-mid level gear is obtained will entirely negate all the hard work crafters have put in to their field to make the items that no one wants anyways.

This game is all about incentives. If you GIVE things to people, or make things stupid easy to get, you'll just get a huge flux of perma-noobs with lack-luster skill, and the Veruka Salt mentality. (I'm talking to YOU Abyssea). My point is that I'd like to see things revert back to their roots.

You get out what you put in.

P.S.

"WoW"? Typo, or Subtle analogy?

[Fiarlia]

"WoW"? Typo, or Subtle analogy?

Freudian Slip? >___________>

[Kanjitai]

I hope that SE takes notice that a lot of people would like gear to be made available from the NPCs. Other MMOs do this. I know 11 isn't WoW, Aion, Rift but SE took a look at other MMOs when making 14. I'm sure one person must have said: maybe we should put something like this in 11.

[Greatguardian]

Gear is already available from NPCs. They are just at prices made in such a way that they would not interfere with crafters who would be unable to sell their wares at all the NPCs sold it cheaply. This is why the NPCs are priced in such a way, and it is still valid today.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Maybe they could add more choices to conquest armor...

but I don't think the low level armor is horribly broken...

If you want a piece of armor and its not on the AH.. find a crafter or lvl up a craft ;o