Nerf Beastmaster

[Cyleena]

I did feel that your comments were negative initially too, but I hope it's just differences between servers/perceptions. When I hear bandwagon bsts and that no one really had a bst main till the job became 'overpowered', it raises my hackles a bit. I'm glad I'm not on Asura.

When I was talking about bandwagon bst I was not talking about those that played the job before it got stronger. I was talking about those that had other jobs as main but switched over once that happened just like they do for any other job that gets boosted. I am talking about people I have had experience with, or read about on forums (some of the forum posters I know in game too, so I know if they bandwagon or not). Most of those are the ones that like to get upset and argue if anyone says anything they do not like. They defend these jobs with a passion then once a nerf hits they go back to being main on the job they were before all this happened.

When I said no one had bst main until it became overpowered I was talking about on my server of people that I knew. I was not talking about all bst. It was like when thf Rudra boost came out and all of a sudden all these people started having thf, and making Vajra, etc. Then it got nerfed, and poof most the thf disappeared again besides the occasional thf for treasure hunter.

For example, I have 2 people in my LS that geared beast after it got stronger, and always want to come to events on bst. I have let them come on bst a handful of times. I have to deal with unhappy people because I let bst come to events, unhappy bsts that I call on different jobs, etc. It depends on what your LS has as far as job availability for the event content you do. I have had bandwagon bst threaten to emo log off game since people were saying it should be nerfed, it’s too powerful, etc. (Please do not twist this into I am saying this stuff… I am talking about things I have experienced with others.)

As far as the difference between servers and perceptions this is totally true. Each server has different type of player base, different players with different attitudes, and Asura is very famous for not having the nicest player base, This is evident in town a lot (lately been more quiet but some nights it gets pretty drama filled), and in how people act in shout runs etc. People on Asura are kinda stubborn, and if they find out a setup that works they stick to it and do not change. I am sure this happens on other servers as well but we have a lot of stubborn people on Asura. Lol.

I think that ever since leveling became easier, there have always been people who will switch to the flavor of the month job, and there always will be. The hatred that I've seen towards BST seems new and particularly unpleasant to me.

There is a great deal of people who are switching to the flavor of the month job as you said, and every time there is a job boost this happens. The hatred for bst has been pretty bad, but there was also a lot of hatred to thf, etc when Rudra’s was boosted. Unfortunately, there is always going to be hatred to any job that can do massive dmg, or can match other jobs or outshine others.

I also think that some of the issue is not the job but the players themselves. People give jobs bad reputations. For example, I was in a cp party with a group in Escha. We were at a camp by ourselves off the beaten path, and we were there for like 5 hrs. This bst shows up and starts to AOE our pulls. We ask him to stop and he does not even reply but keeps doing it. He had lots of other mobs in the area he could fight but he just wanted to be a not pleasant person. This got many people in the pt upset with bst cause of this. I know any other job can do the same thing and has done the same thing like blue, blm, geo, etc. Does this make me hate all bst, or blue, or blm? No. But it does make people unhappier with the jobs because of what some people do who play them. Again this comes down to the player base. Do all bst do this or blue or blm or w/e? No. Just a few bad apples can spoil the bunch for some people.

As leader of a ls, I bet you've said or heard, if you want to participate in end game, level the job that's needed. Now that folks are switching to BST because it's useful, BST are all bad players that everyone else hates. Was every person who ever switched to BRD/SAM/MONK/WHM etc to get end game gear also labeled as bad players with jobs that need nerfing? I don't understand why BST is so different. Content can be done with other jobs. It's the people who have the perception. It sounds like we agree on that part of the equation.

I totally agree to the perception and like I have said above and in other posts that some people are just used to doing things a certain way and do not like making changes to setups etc. People also like taking advantage of the fast kills, with minimal support needed. Bst really only needs cor support atm, and maybe an occasional heal, or other tank depending on what you are doing. DD needs tons more support than a bst does, so bst is more favorable because it kills fast, requires minimal support, and does very good dmg.

As far as the level what job is needed of course I have said that and heard that from others. It depends on the game content. Some game content requires more specific setups then others. Like what was mentioned earlier Vagary does not do so well with DD, and is more mage friendly. I have tried to mix bst with our setup but it does not go over well in my LS. We are more mage heavy, and it tends to be hard to do SC etc when you got one or two pets messing it up. If you using Sch to SC or bringing a DD like sam then bst kind of makes it harder to do what strat you want to use, or are accustomed to use. Again this is player perception, and what works for one might not work for another. If you have more pets in your LS you might feel that is the best for you. It really depends on your group, and what jobs are available for the content you want to do.

I duoed thru Abyssea with a PUP, and it was great fun, but other jobs could solo/duo far quicker with less risk and less cost. BST was a joke for Delve and Skirmish. I think any job could hit better than my pet. I know our WHM did (though he was a truly amazing WHM, so I'm not sure it's fair to go by him. I just know my pet whiffed with all the accuracy pet gear i could drum up). So I played BRD and BLM, occasionally RDM. My pup friend leveled PLD and SMN. We never fussed about how OP monks were with Formless Strikes. Much fun as we had completing the content, I got burned out working for gear for jobs I didn't love instead of playing BST or RDM, so I took a break. When I came back, I promised myself I would not do end game and haven't. I've focused on story and leveling whatever I felt like leveling, and it's been great.

I did that in abby too. Lol. We would duo pup and whm. We used to kite the monkey in Abby Latheine that dropped that pup neck just to see if we could when it first came out. That was so much fun, and challenging. We later switched to monk and whm for some of the harder NMs at the time in Abby Ule, etc.

Now that BST is good for content and folks are hating on it so badly, it rankles. I have friends who win without BST just fine. Do you really think people need BST to win the Tenzen fight? If so, then maybe Asura has bigger problems than too many BSTs. Maybe on Asura, people playing other jobs are terrible.

I think it just depends on the group. Some groups do fine without pet jobs, and some do better with pet jobs. At the end of the day it is what works for the group, and their setup. That was actually the first time I seen bst wanted for a Tenzen fight, and I did not recognize the name of the person who shouted, so not sure why they wanted that but if it got them the win that is great.

The biggest issue with shouts is the ones that shout for bsts are mainly Escha and SR, which are the two main content that is most wanted atm, and I hear a lot of complaints that most people just want bst to clear those. I guess others feel left out because they cannot join the shouts? Idk.