Nerf Beastmaster

[Hoshi]

While BST is certainly popular every current endgame event can be done without BST and in similar (or better) clear times. I don't think there's a problem with BST so much as that the first people to figure out mechanics happen to really like BST. As far as BST and LS events, I understand your dilemma. My LS has a rule that we simply won't play with BST. You can level it on your own time but you may never bring it to LS event. Has worked well for us.

[Cyleena]

Another random time:

Fenrir: PLD RUN GEO BRD THF
Capacity points: GEO SCH
Capacity points: GEO SCH BLM RDM COR
unity: PLD WHM

No BST shouts since I got online... I don't know. I hear people *say* that there is so many BST shouts but somehow I never see them either when I am afk in Jeuno or when I look at ffxiah shouts... yes, I see one event sometimes asks for BST, but even then not always and the jobs most in demand most of the time are PLD GEO and WHM but no one is asking for those jobs to be nerfed

proof: http://i.imgur.com/fRgo90E.jpg

Oh look at shouts now:

http://i.imgur.com/pkF4gna.png

Just because you sign on random times and do not see the odd shout does not mean it does not happen much. Sometimes Asura shouts are dead like last night. The same people last night in the ss you posted were shouting for 3 hours with no other shouts. Look how active the shouts are now. Also, I did not say all shouts were for that certain job. I said I hear a lot of complaints about SR and Escha RuAun shouts especially T2 and T3 being mainly for bst setup. I am sure people would not complain as much if there was shouts for other setups as well but on Asura it is mainly for bst setup with a rare dd shout for SR or Escha T2/T3 once in a blue moon.

I had to have a laugh today because earlier there was actually a shout for SR with DD and the group I was with almost fell out of their chairs of shock. They even made comments in the party about how surprised they were to see it. I was not with shout group but with another group doing SR as well.

[Cyleena]

While BST is certainly popular every current endgame event can be done without BST and in similar (or better) clear times. I don't think there's a problem with BST so much as that the first people to figure out mechanics happen to really like BST. As far as BST and LS events, I understand your dilemma. My LS has a rule that we simply won't play with BST. You can level it on your own time but you may never bring it to LS event. Has worked well for us.

Thanks Hosh for the input into how you handle things, and your view on the matter.

[bazookatooth]

Here's what I see on Asura right now though (1:30 PM JP time):

REMs tales: any job
Escha tier 1: Any job
Unity Arke: Any Job
Yorcia skirmish: Any job
Escha tier 1: RNG or COR
Elvan D: PLD/BRD/WHM, THF, GEO, DD
and one JP Tier 3 Ra'Aun shout that I think might be asking for bst and geo.

EDIT: The tier 3 shout just changed to COR

[dasva]

So basically everyone only shouts bst is really people playing during NA and/or EU time on Asura only want bst? That really sounds like an issue with that particular community to me.

[Hoshi]

I think it's more that the person who said there are only shouts for BST on asura was exaggerating quite a bit.

[Cyleena]

First two quotes from "Anyone unlocked Death yet" thread.

Impossible. No job can out damage BST in sinister reign....

Because no other job gets invited to SR!!!

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...cked-Death-yet

I think it's more that the person who said there are only shouts for BST on asura was exaggerating quite a bit.

You say this but then you say on "Anyone unlocked Death yet" thread that no other jobs besides bst are taken to SR, which is exactly what I been saying in this thread about the shouts on Asura, and you and I both know that SR shouts on Asura are always for bst and rarely for anything else like DD. There is rarely a DD shout for SR, and the majority of shouts for Escha RuAun T2/T3 is for bst as well. I really do not think the majority of the server gives a care about VW shouts (especially seeing how long they have to shout to even get people to go), delve, etc. I have seen people shout for hours for that stuff because not many want to do it anymore. Its the relevant content that people want to do like SR and Escha RuAun T2/T3 that get all the bst love, and get people grumpy about it.

[kylani]

First two quotes from "Anyone unlocked Death yet" thread.





http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...cked-Death-yet



You say this but then you say on "Anyone unlocked Death yet" thread that no other jobs besides bst are taken to SR, which is exactly what I been saying in this thread about the shouts on Asura, and you and I both know that SR shouts on Asura are always for bst and rarely for anything else like DD. There is rarely a DD shout for SR, and the majority of shouts for Escha RuAun T2/T3 is for bst as well. I really do not think the majority of the server gives a care about VW shouts (especially seeing how long they have to shout to even get people to go), delve, etc. I have seen people shout for hours for that stuff because not many want to do it anymore. Its the relevant content that people want to do like SR and Escha RuAun T2/T3 that get all the bst love, and get people grumpy about it.

The comments seemed sarcastic to me, especially given the person saying this indicated they don't use beastmaster in their runs. It seems GEO gets invited more than any other job, but you only look for/count BST shouts.

[bazookatooth]

First two quotes from "Anyone unlocked Death yet" thread....

You say this but then you say on "Anyone unlocked Death yet" thread that no other jobs besides bst are taken to SR, which is exactly what I been saying in this thread about the shouts on Asura, and you and I both know that SR shouts on Asura are always for bst and rarely for anything else like DD. There is rarely a DD shout for SR, and the majority of shouts for Escha RuAun T2/T3 is for bst as well. I really do not think the majority of the server gives a care about VW shouts (especially seeing how long they have to shout to even get people to go), delve, etc. I have seen people shout for hours for that stuff because not many want to do it anymore. Its the relevant content that people want to do like SR and Escha RuAun T2/T3 that get all the bst love, and get people grumpy about it.

It was sarcasm. Even I missed it at first. Guess where all those pops for those escha T3's that you (supposedly)keep missing out on because you aren't BST come from... Delve. Guess where all the tier 2 pops come from... Unity.

People should be happy about missing out on those Escha shouts for BST anyways. It's far messier and takes more people than just nuking it down. Why try to out lot 12 people when you can do it with 6? And besides that, every one of these escha shouts for "bst only" has to have a GEO and / or a Cor, a PLD and a WHM already as well as some other jobs depending on the NM. If they aren't having trouble finding those jobs (Obviously they aren't if they're "only shouting for BST"), then neither should you. Form your own group. You can do almost all of these with six or seven people using jobs that almost everybody has geared at this point.

And here's the kicker. You are going to have to do it anyways, because those bst strategies are all going away. They didn't change anything to make it easier for you, which means you are going to have to go do what you should have been doing from the get go instead of complaining about BST... Go form your own group and get better.

[Cyleena]

The comments seemed sarcastic to me, especially given the person saying this indicated they don't use beastmaster in their runs. It seems GEO gets invited more than any other job, but you only look for/count BST shouts.

Of course geo gets invited to almost all shouts cause it is a buffer job that is used for any setup including bst. Bst setup needs geo and cor buffs so they will always ask for geo, cor, tank, and a healer. Those are given in almost any setup except cor which is normally replaced for brd depending on the fight. Everyone in here knows that without the buffs bst does not perform as well, so it is kinda funny bst players are complaining about geo, cor, tanks, and healers being needed when they need them just as much as anyone else in the harder fights.

Idris geo is the most powerful job in the game right now, and even without the idris it is pretty powerful. I have seen many people say geo should be nerfed but then it is the ones that utilize the powerfulness of geo to help their groups succeed.