Torcleaver numbers.

[Jar]

Wasn't my point. If dealing damage is all you want to do, feel free to only do the things that stack best towards that ideal. Just don't come storming into some thread with an assertation that it's the only way to play DRK, especially when it comes to Abyssea. /MNK for 80% counter rate is just one example, Cosmos+MAB+Multihit is another.

Some people put so much effort into being an incomprehensible asshole about people not playing a job in an exact manner or even just contemplating alternatives. It's sickening that /MNK+GH+RL has to be explained to people in this context (though the 80% cap on counter making it almost as effective as MNK main is recent news) because there is so much obtuse dogma surrounding DRK. Silly ideas like "Casting is never worthwhile", "Zerging is dead", and the recent horror "Accuracy is irrelevant".

If you can't keep up with Crit jobs because you don't have a Crit WS... why are you still trying to use a Crit build to compete with them? It's not a failure to think outside the box, it's confining yourself to your fancied corner of the box and staring at the wall.

Yes, DRK needs a little something. It doesn't mean you should go about with the standard 'Hit things four or five times, WS' mentality. Look at the new TP Bonus GS and Griffon's Claw for Ground Strike spam. Take a look at Cosmos/MAB/Kirin Multihit+Endark+Infernal Scythe. Get a WHM buddy and be just as or even more effective than MNK main by Counterstance tanking (As Jar mentions, a good Dread Spikes will outdo countering in the short term, but it isn't worth going /SCH for).

Hell, I think this is the opportune time to try all the other shit DRK has to offer. Just please stop whining about our melee output if the only thing you're trying to do is melee.

why did you skip me and gradd and go after dart <_<

[Raelia]

why did you skip me and gradd and go after dart <_<

Because he seems sensible. You get common knowledge mixed up (two second WS delay, for example) and Gradd just wants to come in here and scream "GIIIIIIIIIIMMMMMP!!" at anyone not swinging an Empyrean.

[Jar]

Because he seems sensible. You get common knowledge mixed up (two second WS delay, for example) and Gradd just wants to come in here and scream "GIIIIIIIIIIMMMMMP!!" at anyone not swinging an Empyrean.

gunna go off and say that i said you can melee durring WS animations the delay isnt during the animation...

Oh and "GIIIIIIIIIIMMMMMP!!" at anyone not swinging an Empyrean. is what ppl say in a thread all about an empyrean weaponskill.

and if you are really the Raelia on diabolos im just going to add you to ignore because you dont have the gear to be talking like you know what you are doing...

i mean it would be one thing to spout off that you know math but to call us retarded and lacking common knowledge when you dont even have the gear to test your odd base assumptions than insulting us when we tell you why you are wrong..

[Raelia]

and if you are really the Raelia on diabolos im just going to add you to ignore because you dont have the gear to be talking like you know what you are doing...

i mean it would be one thing to spout off that you know math but to call us retarded and lacking common knowledge when you dont even have the gear to test your odd base assumptions than insulting us when we tell you why you are wrong..

And my spellcast is just complex enough to always put me in idle gear when FFXIAH scans me just to catch assholes like you looking. Way to be a douchebag.

rofl. These guys, people...

Your first hint should have been Gothic Sabatons.

[Seoha]

Because he seems sensible. You get common knowledge mixed up (two second WS delay, for example) and Gradd just wants to come in here and scream "GIIIIIIIIIIMMMMMP!!" at anyone not swinging an Empyrean.

I mean no offense Raelia, but nowadays with Abyssea if you *really want* to be a worthy DRK you *need* an empyrean (or that OAT scythe I suppose... seen good numbers with it).

DRK's with an empyrean still can't keep up with damage against decked out DD's such as WARs, MNKs, etc. If with an empyrean you can't keep up with damage, that twilight scythe ain't gonna save you really.

In fact, a dark knight with an empyrean says awfully much about the player in itself. For me... a DRK with an empyrean is a DRK that is really trying. And in essence, that already says a lot.
It's not the case for everyone out there, I know. But still...