Torcleaver numbers.

[Jar]

Only time you need hp that high is if you're worried about getting one shotted, and at 90 the list of things that can do that without an hp atma and all merit abyssites is pretty low (i'm easily pushing 2500+ hp without any hp atma). The counter is just broken, I get bored on my mule and never drop below 1500 mp

the HP is to make dread spikes last max duration(max ammount absorbed is 50%(66.7%something with Eaf+2 body) your max HP) just saying it because things die really fast when you almost full time dread spikes

[Dart]

they die faster to 80% counter rates, plus its much safer for you personally.

[Jar]

they die faster to 80% counter rates, plus its much safer for you personally.

mehh to each his own
you could just say that you like your way over mine over saying you are better tho <_<

i even get called a dick on here some people...

[Raelia]

Because singularized thinking on how to play a job is exactly the problem you and Gradd seem to have.

A DRK that only parties with DNC and BRD, only uses Hasso, only uses DD Atma, only deals physical damage... is a crap DRK. They might be doing the most damage possible, but they're useless and generally outclassed even if damage is the only goal.

You don't even stop to consider our thinking, and why we think. You only regurgitate the same schtick that results in turning DRK into some kind of pure DD and ignore any other possibility.

[Jar]

Because singularized thinking on how to play a job is exactly the problem you and Gradd seem to have.

A DRK that only parties with DNC and BRD, only uses Hasso, only uses DD Atma, only deals physical damage... is a crap DRK. They might be doing the most damage possible, but they're useless and generally outclassed even if damage is the only goal.

You don't even stop to consider our thinking, and why we think. You only regurgitate the same schtick that results in turning DRK into some kind of pure DD and ignore any other possibility.

this sparked from an argument over /sch or /mnk is better for duoing? and im sticking to the norm?

the job is a physical DD if you want it to do something odd im sure it can, but it will always be best at what it was made to do and that is physical damage.


yea it is totaly possable to do ok damage other ways but you will not beat a haste whoring drk with a MAB whoring one.

situational atma is just that situational and if the situation does not call for special atma the normal DD ones will always win.

i do consider your thinking but you dont consider you where not the first to think of it? have i not say that i have done most things i talk about and if i have not that i say quite bluntly that i have not.

[Dart]

facts are the facts, its just the way it is. I'm not telling you how to do your soloing, i'm just pointing out the most efficient way to. Abyssea is easy mode.

[Dart]

Because singularized thinking on how to play a job is exactly the problem you and Gradd seem to have.

A DRK that only parties with DNC and BRD, only uses Hasso, only uses DD Atma, only deals physical damage... is a crap DRK. They might be doing the most damage possible, but they're useless and generally outclassed even if damage is the only goal.

You don't even stop to consider our thinking, and why we think. You only regurgitate the same schtick that results in turning DRK into some kind of pure DD and ignore any other possibility.

Well to me drk is a dd, its what we're classified as and how i've played the job for god knows how long, but we can't dd on an even playing field with the other "dd" jobs so our job is not desired/wanted. Its why taint and I have been screaming for help with our melee phase so much. We want to compete.

[Gradd]

Because singularized thinking on how to play a job is exactly the problem you and Gradd seem to have.

A DRK that only parties with DNC and BRD, only uses Hasso, only uses DD Atma, only deals physical damage... is a crap DRK. They might be doing the most damage possible, but they're useless and generally outclassed even if damage is the only goal.

You don't even stop to consider our thinking, and why we think. You only regurgitate the same schtick that results in turning DRK into some kind of pure DD and ignore any other possibility.

I only think about doings things one way? Really? I am pretty sure I am the first person to come out with /Mnk Tanking on the FFXIAH forums as far as DRK is concerned and I strongly fight and support it. There was a huge discussion over it with me getting bashed (just play MNK) and other bullshit. But now people seem to be more open towards the idea of using it.

In terms of raw Damage Drk/Sam is the best possible combination, there is no if ands or buts about it. Drk/Mnk is simply just a means to allow you to tank harder NMs that you normally could not /Sam, while playing Drk and not having to give into other jobs. Drk/Mnk in no way compares to /sam in any way shape or form in terms of raw Damage, its simply a means to stay alive.

So if you are only dealing physical damage you are doing it wrong? You do realize casting spells of any kind (absorb TP included) during your TP phase is an utter waste and only hinders your over all damage. I have a complete Dark Magic Set, Mixed haste/Dark magic set, a Full out Nuking set, enfeebling set and god knows what else for Drk. But if I am meleeing I am not going to waste my time and use either of it. My DRK would blow your mind with how complicated my Spell Cast XML and Gear sets actually are, I take the job well beyond your level of comprehension. I have seen your DRK (awesome plastron) and there is nothing impressive about it whatsoever.

I happen to take DRK very seriously, mainly because its such a god awful job compared to others, so you absolutely cannot half ass it. So whats the point of playing it if you arent playing to be the absolute very best?

I consider your thinking and I look at it, but then realize instantly its flawed. Why is it flawed? Because its not the most optimal perfect way of doing things. Good players in FFXI have a tendency to find out the very best possible way of doing something and then they stick with it. Why? Because it outclasses everything else.

Most of the information you spit out is crap without even being able to back it up, and you honestly wonder why I insult you?

Seriously stop trying to be Different, Different does not = Better. Anyone with half a brain can tell you that.

[Jar]

Well to me drk is a dd, its what we're classified as and how i've played the job for god knows how long, but we can't dd on an even playing field with the other "dd" jobs so our job is not desired/wanted. Its why taint and I have been screaming for help with our melee phase so much. We want to compete.

i dont see this are hard as you do for some reason......

drk isnt that much behind it is just alot harder to do right.

i mean a war doing as much to boost his dmg as i do on drk would rip me apart because they do have better things but its not SO much better that i think we need some gigantic update like making last resost full timeable or crazy new magic and weaponskills

id go just giving us more ATTack and getting a very small boost to guillotine like from the .8something fTP to like .95

[Jar]

I only think about doings things one way? Really? I am pretty sure I am the first person to come out with /Mnk Tanking on the FFXIAH forums as far as DRK is concerned and I strongly fight and support it. There was a huge discussion over it with me getting bashed (just play MNK) and other bullshit. But now people seem to be more open towards the idea of using it.

In terms of raw Damage Drk/Sam is the best possible combination, there is no if ands or buts about it. Drk/Mnk is simply just a means to allow you to tank harder NMs that you normally could not /Sam, while playing Drk and not having to give into other jobs. Drk/Mnk in no way compares to /sam in any way shape or form in terms of raw Damage, its simply a means to stay alive.

So if you are only dealing physical damage you are doing it wrong? You do realize casting spells of any kind (absorb TP included) during your TP phase is an utter waste and only hinders your over all damage. I have a complete Dark Magic Set, Mixed haste/Dark magic set, a Full out Nuking set, enfeebling set and god knows what else for Drk. But if I am meleeing I am not going to waste my time and use either of it. My DRK would blow your mind with how complicated my Spell Cast XML and Gear sets actually are, I take the job well beyond your level of comprehension. I have seen your DRK (awesome plastron) and there is nothing impressive about it whatsoever.

I happen to take DRK very seriously, mainly because its such a god awful job compared to others, so you absolutely cannot half ass it. So whats the point of playing it if you arent playing to be the absolute very best?

I consider your thinking and I look at it, but then realize instantly its flawed. Why is it flawed? Because its not the most optimal perfect way of doing things. Good players in FFXI have a tendency to find out the very best possible way of doing something and then they stick with it. Why? Because it outclasses everything else.

Most of the information you spit out is crap without even being able to back it up, and you honestly wonder why I insult you?

Seriously stop trying to be Different, Different does not = Better. Anyone with half a brain can tell you that.

Damn gradd makes me feel stupid some times, replied to that in a way i couldn't have ;-; i agree tho this is how it is