This thread AGAIN, please, fix WK.

[Daemon]

This is why you add long lasting reward... god, we keep repeating this same shit over and over, you say that its gonna die cause everyone gets everything worth getting, I say add a relevant reward, repeat.

Then listen to what I said and stop ignoring me. I didn't argue adding extra rewards was an issue. I just don't agree giving a guaranteed rare drop and adding in plasm is a good idea.

Add something else that doesnt kill other parts of the game or make us speed progress faster and then ill agree. Thats all I said.

I did not sign on to a game that lets you play too fast only to sit in town all day with nothing else to do but stare at afk people parked in town which is why I don't login often anymore so I can actually enjoy the new expansion and new content I paid to play.

Why else do I waste paying subscription fees to begin with? Maybe my 1 opinion makes no difference but I've seen others say "We need more content because there is nothing else to do at endgame."

Well SE gave it to us. What's the issue? Drop rate sucks, bosses are boring. Not worth the effort. Ok I get that. I do. But I also get that we have something to do than sit in town all day doing nothing.

Why can't people just be happy? Too many people with different opinions is why and that's how I see DEVs struggle to do anything in FFXI.

[Demon6324236]

These events were not meant to easy spammable like VW otherwise what the condition to play them wouldn't be so hard and require so many people. I just see it that way.

Then listen to what I said and stop ignoring me. I didn't argue adding extra rewards was an issue. I just don't agree giving a guaranteed rare drop and adding in plasm is a good idea.

So we should not be guaranteed a rare drop from this hard, non-spammable battles which require so many people. One of my largest problems with everything you have been saying.

Add something else that doesnt kill other parts of the game of make us speed progress faster and then ill agree. Thats all I said.

As I said, adding Plasm to WKs does not kill Plasm farming in any way. If in a 3 hour fight you get 25k Plasm by capping out your Bayld & Plasm, that means in the same 3 hours you could have done 3 Plasm runs, rewarding 8~10k a piece, ending up with 24~30k total. The difference is the difficulty, target, and amount of people needed, a WK needs 100+ to do fast, 50+ might be enough to complete the battle if you take half a day and never wipe, or have any kind of issues with the NM & deaths, while a Plasm run takes 18 people, and takes 45 minutes a run with maybe 15~20 minutes to refill lost people. Its not killing other content, requirement has been met.

Why else do I waste paying subscription fees to begin with? Maybe my 1 opinion makes no difference but I've seen others say "We need more content because there is nothing else to do at endgame."

I have seen more complaints about the content being boring, repetitive, or unrewarding than I have complaints about there being nothing to do, and often times, the complaints about there being nothing to do are given by people who do nothing it seems. For instance I have people I know who complain about there being nothing to do in the game, while the only thing they really do is Reives, Delve, and Abyssea, while there is a ton more, just no one does it.

Well SE gave it to us. What's the issue? Drop rare sucks, bosses are boring. Not worth the effort. Ok I get that. I do. But I also get that we have something to do than sit in tow all day doing nothing.

Yay, I have something to do that is better than sitting in town doing nothing, now I can hopelessly fight the same NM over and over again in battles that take hours upon hours and requires a ton of people just so we can kill it, only for me to get a log in the end.

Why can't people just be happy?

Why cant we just have all events be like Delve, where once you kill the target, you can get the reward by slowly building up the currency associated with it instead of having no choice but to get it as a drop. I assure you, I would gladly pay 170k Bayld for my Yumcax Head & Hands, as well as another 170k for my Hurkan Feet, 200k Bayld for my Club, and 100k for my Cape. I have the wins, but guess what, I cant get them.

You ask why cant people just be happy, my question is, why cant we just have fun, enjoyable, rewarding content, that does not feel like every attempt can easily be struck down by the random number generator of the game saying 'sorry, this time you get no drop, sucks to be you' at the end?



Since I last said something about the drops I have gotten. So far, I have the Neck and Great Axe from Yumcax, as well as the Scythe, Axe, Bullet, and Grip from Hurkan. Out of the 12 drops between these two NMs, I originally wanted 7 items, the Head, Hands, Club, Cape, and Great axe from Yumcax, as well as the Head and Feet from Hurkan. 4 days ago I got my Buramenk'ah, which has boosted my RDM's DPS so much so I no longer need my WAR, my WAR's only use was Plasm Farms, something I no longer need since I do them on RDM now. As such, I no longer needed Ixtab, which I finally got night before last, 2 days after obtaining my Buramenk'ah. So continuing with tradition on WKs and me, I still have yet to get a single item I actually needed while it was relevant for me. I now own 6 out of 12 items, none of which I have a use for. Thank you SE, thank you.

[detlef]

DJ I think you and I can be bros.

Seriously, isn't this discussion starting to become as frustrating as a Wildskeeper Reive?

[Daemon]

So we should not be guaranteed a rare drop from this hard, non-spammable battles which require so many people. One of my largest problems with everything you have been saying.

Well look at the items that Nakuuls give you? Way better items than Voidwatch. I hated doing endless quests to gain warps, temps, stones, cruor to upgrade atmas, spamming cells just to increase changes of getting nothing.

SAs I said, adding Plasm to WKs does not kill Plasm farming in any way. If in a 3 hour fight you get 25k Plasm by capping out your Bayld & Plasm, that means in the same 3 hours you could have done 3 Plasm runs, rewarding 8~10k a piece, ending up with 24~30k total. The difference is the difficulty, target, and amount of people needed, a WK needs 100+ to do fast, 50+ might be enough to complete the battle if you take half a day and never wipe, or have any kind of issues with the NM & deaths, while a Plasm run takes 18 people, and takes 45 minutes a run with maybe 15~20 minutes to refill lost people. Its not killing other content, requirement has been met.

Plasm is not reives... It's Delve. And I appreciate Delve as a separate event. Why are you not understanding this?

SI have seen more complaints about the content being boring, repetitive, or unrewarding than I have complaints about there being nothing to do, and often times, the complaints about there being nothing to do are given by people who do nothing it seems. For instance I have people I know who complain about there being nothing to do in the game, while the only thing they really do is Reives, Delve, and Abyssea, while there is a ton more, just no one does it.

Well yeah because people choose not to do things they don't want to do. I can't make you go to to a basketball game if your interest is football. I can't drag you to a Greenday concert if you like Jay Z. Point is no one will have the same interest in events as others. But you wouldn't want to take part of a Greenday concert and mix it in with a JayZ concert just because you think it's better that way.

Yay, I have something to do that is better than sitting in town doing nothing, now I can hopelessly fight the same NM over and over again in battles that take hours upon hours and requires a ton of people just so we can kill it, only for me to get a log in the end.

Not everyone plays the same hours as you DJ. Not everyone progress as fast as you and lately now that I've been away from the game a bit. I'm seeing things differently like those who play 18 hours a day will have more rage and disappointment than those who play a few hours a week.

Since I last said something about the drops I have gotten. So far, I have the Neck and Great Axe from Yumcax, as well as the Scythe, Axe, Bullet, and Grip from Hurkan. Out of the 12 drops between these two NMs, I originally wanted 7 items, the Head, Hands, Club, Cape, and Great axe from Yumcax, as well as the Head and Feet from Hurkan. 4 days ago I got my Buramenk'ah, which has boosted my RDM's DPS so much so I no longer need my WAR, my WAR's only use was Plasm Farms, something I no longer need since I do them on RDM now. As such, I no longer needed Ixtab, which I finally got night before last, 2 days after obtaining my Buramenk'ah. So continuing with tradition on WKs and me, I still have yet to get a single item I actually needed while it was relevant for me. I now own 6 out of 12 items, none of which I have a use for. Thank you SE, thank you.

Yeah and i'm sure others don't have any of those drops or even come close to having half of what you have now. I sure as hell don't have 1 single drop yet. But I'm not complaining. Although you already got 6 items now out of 12 only makes me wonder why are you even complaining? I can understand if you got 0 drops but you already got 6. Yeah I agree it might be stuff you didn't want but you did get something you did want so that should be enough reason to be happy.

I wish I had Buramenk'ah >.> Nice to have 1 item make such a huge difference wonders why people think WR is too hard, not good enough. That only tells me items that drop from WR are powerful enough to be the only rewarded needed.

[Demon6324236]

DJ I think you and I can be bros.

Seriously, isn't this discussion starting to become as frustrating as a Wildskeeper Reive?

Going on for many hours, unrewarding, annoying, fighting a battle which has had many participates yet getting no where. In all honesty, this thread embodies exactly what issues we have with WKRs now that I think of it, good point.

[Daemon]

Simple.

4 days ago I got my Buramenk'ah, which has boosted my RDM's DPS so much

Is the reason people shouldn't be complaining about WR if 1 item can make such a big difference in power then you should be enjoying the event and work harder because the big reward is what makes it worth it at the end.

So far, I have the Neck and Great Axe from Yumcax, as well as the Scythe, Axe, Bullet, and Grip from Hurkan. I now own 6 out of 12 items.

Is the reason you shouldn't be complaining because many of us spent months doing REM trials, Voidwatch, sky and many other events killing ourselves to get 1 item.

I know I wasted more than 6 months on Qilin, millions of Gil, stressed to death and never til this day got a coruscanti playing more than 14 hours a day spamming 1 boss.

And to follow up on my point.

I got my Buramenk'ah

SoA is only 5 months old.

Going on for many hours, unrewarding, annoying, fighting a battle which has had many participates yet getting no where.

Doesn't tell me this is true if you got all those items.

[Demon6324236]

Well look at the items that Nakuuls give you? Way better items than Voidwatch. I hated doing endless quests to gain warps, temps, stones, cruor to upgrade atmas, spamming cells just to increase changes of getting nothing.

For their time, VW drops were amazing, now they are trash, and WK items are amazing, in 3 months, Yumcax/Hurkan drops will be trash, and fuckemupNM#2's drops will be amazing, so goes the continuity of the game. The problem is, the items being outdated in such a way should not be so rare that someone like you or I can not obtain them no matter our efforts simply because luck does not favor us, you should know that...

Plasm is not reives... It's Delve. And I appreciate Delve as a separate event. Why are you not understanding this?

Again, Cruor came from both VW and Abyssea, different events. Separate events do not always have different currencies. Also in either case, you said it had to not kill off an event, I simply explained how it does not kill off an event, thus, it is in accordance with the single stipulation you mentioned in that post.

Well yeah because people choose not to do things they don't want to do. I can't make you go to to a basketball game if your interest is football. I can't drag you to a Greenday concert if you like Jay Z. Point is no one will have the same interest in events as others. But you wouldn't want to take part of a Greenday concert and mix it in with a JayZ concert just because you think it's better that way.

If you take the best part of 2 events and put them into 1, that's a great thing, SE almost never does that though. I did not say make everyone do all of the content, but I did say most people complain about there not being enough content while they do not do most of it. Half the people I know who say they have nothing to do have no idea what half the content in the game is, I have had people say they were bored, I ask if they want to do something like Salvage, and they have no idea what it is because its not the most popular thing right now. People often complain about a lack of content because they simply do not look for it, they just do whatever other people do that's popular and screw the rest. Like I said, cant force them to like content, but you can show those who are ignorant to its existence that its there in the first place.

Not everyone plays the same hours as you DJ. Not everyone progress as fast as you and lately now that I've been away from the game a bit. I'm seeing things differently like those who play 18 hours a day will have more rage and disappointment than those who play a few hours a week.

As I said way earlier in this thread, your right, not everyone plays the same hours as me, for instance, my GF, she is does not have enough time to do WKs, we have went to 3 together, every time she is there about a hour, by the time the fight actually starts she is about to goto sleep because she has work, then I end up having to dualbox her for the rest of the fight. How hopeless do you think she feels though? Its not as though SE looks at how much she plays and automatically adjusts the rates for her so she will get her gear sooner than someone like me who plays all the time now is it? No, I can spam it every time I see a shout for Yumcax, she does not have that freedom. Her disappointment is no less, the difference is what we are disappointed about, she is not so much disappointed that she can not obtain anything from it, trust me, shes not to happy about it either, but at the same time, shes disappointed she does not even have the time to participate in the event itself!

Yeah and i'm sure others don't have any of those drops or even come close to having half of what you have now. I sure as hell don't have 1 single drop yet. But I'm not complaining.

Again, you have participated how many times? Exactly.

Although you already got 6 items now out of 12 only makes me wonder why are you even complaining?

Why? Because I have 6 items, the 6 I don't need, the 6 I don't want, if I drop them, no better chance at what I want, if I keep them, no better chance at what I want. If they fixed the system, I could hold onto them, do more fights, and get what I want, right now, I have no better chance at my Buremte gear from fighting Yumcax than I had my very first fight I ever did, no better chance at all, that's why I am complaining. I want the gear I actually went for, I have no way to influence it, and in my numerous repeats I have never got a single piece of gear I actually needed from the battle.

I can understand if you got 0 drops but you already got 6. Yeah I agree it might be stuff you didn't want but you did get something you did want so that should be enough reason to be happy.

So let me get this straight. I should be happy they gave me something I have no use for, lets go through the list real fast, Ill go from the first drop I got till last ok?

The Bullet. My COR is 99 at least, because I was going to use it for VW at one point, but I do not really know the job that well, its skills are gimped still, I can use RDM for all content relevant now, it seems like I don't need it to me.

The Axe. I did up Cemine's BST quite well, I never did DJ's BST because I have limited room, and I knew if I wanted to really gear BST up, a set for my pet, a set for TP, WS, move speed, reward, and so on, I would need a lot of room. In the end, I got the best Axe, but on the wrong character, as such, not really useful to me, since I cant trade it to other accounts under my control, and Cemine isn't on this account.

The Ranged Attack Neck. RDM has Magic, I do not need to use a bow, my RNG is level 67, my aforementioned COR is pathetic, this holds no use for me.

The Scythe. Its a scythe, and its not Apoc.

The Great Axe, this would have been helpful a week ago, or rather, 3 weeks ago, when I was going to Plasm Farms a lot, but now I get all the Plasm I need from Tojil, so its not important to me for that. Also, I can do Plasm Farms on RDM now, so again, I no longer need it, this I got most recently as well.



So, I should be happy I got all of these things I can not put to good use, rather than getting something I can put to good use. At the same time I should be happy there is no way for this to impact my chances of getting what I actually wanted, and can actually use, upon repeat battles. Really man, how does this make sense? How does this not sound completely stupid to you?

[Daemon]

For their time, VW drops were amazing, now they are trash, and WK items are amazing, in 3 months, Yumcax/Hurkan drops will be trash, and fuckemupNM#2's drops will be amazing, so goes the continuity of the game. The problem is, the items being outdated in such a way should not be so rare that someone like you or I can not obtain them no matter our efforts simply because luck does not favor us, you should know that...

Again, Cruor came from both VW and Abyssea, different events. Separate events do not always have different currencies. Also in either case, you said it had to not kill off an event, I simply explained how it does not kill off an event, thus, it is in accordance with the single stipulation you mentioned in that post.

If you take the best part of 2 events and put them into 1, that's a great thing, SE almost never does that though. I did not say make everyone do all of the content, but I did say most people complain about there not being enough content while they do not do most of it. Half the people I know who say they have nothing to do have no idea what half the content in the game is, I have had people say they were bored, I ask if they want to do something like Salvage, and they have no idea what it is because its not the most popular thing right now. People often complain about a lack of content because they simply do not look for it, they just do whatever other people do that's popular and screw the rest. Like I said, cant force them to like content, but you can show those who are ignorant to its existence that its there in the first place.

As I said way earlier in this thread, your right, not everyone plays the same hours as me, for instance, my GF, she is does not have enough time to do WKs, we have went to 3 together, every time she is there about a hour, by the time the fight actually starts she is about to goto sleep because she has work, then I end up having to dualbox her for the rest of the fight. How hopeless do you think she feels though? Its not as though SE looks at how much she plays and automatically adjusts the rates for her so she will get her gear sooner than someone like me who plays all the time now is it? No, I can spam it every time I see a shout for Yumcax, she does not have that freedom. Her disappointment is no less, the difference is what we are disappointed about, she is not so much disappointed that she can not obtain anything from it, trust me, shes not to happy about it either, but at the same time, shes disappointed she does not even have the time to participate in the event itself!

Again, you have participated how many times? Exactly.

Why? Because I have 6 items, the 6 I don't need, the 6 I don't want, if I drop them, no better chance at what I want, if I keep them, no better chance at what I want. If they fixed the system, I could hold onto them, do more fights, and get what I want, right now, I have no better chance at my Buremte gear from fighting Yumcax than I had my very first fight I ever did, no better chance at all, that's why I am complaining. I want the gear I actually went for, I have no way to influence it, and in my numerous repeats I have never got a single piece of gear I actually needed from the battle.

So let me get this straight. I should be happy they gave me something I have no use for, lets go through the list real fast, Ill go from the first drop I got till last ok?

The Bullet. My COR is 99 at least, because I was going to use it for VW at one point, but I do not really know the job that well, its skills are gimped still, I can use RDM for all content relevant now, it seems like I don't need it to me.

The Axe. I did up Cemine's BST quite well, I never did DJ's BST because I have limited room, and I knew if I wanted to really gear BST up, a set for my pet, a set for TP, WS, move speed, reward, and so on, I would need a lot of room. In the end, I got the best Axe, but on the wrong character, as such, not really useful to me, since I cant trade it to other accounts under my control, and Cemine isn't on this account.

The Ranged Attack Neck. RDM has Magic, I do not need to use a bow, my RNG is level 67, my aforementioned COR is pathetic, this holds no use for me.

The Scythe. Its a scythe, and its not Apoc.

The Great Axe, this would have been helpful a week ago, or rather, 3 weeks ago, when I was going to Plasm Farms a lot, but now I get all the Plasm I need from Tojil, so its not important to me for that. Also, I can do Plasm Farms on RDM now, so again, I no longer need it, this I got most recently as well.



So, I should be happy I got all of these things I can not put to good use, rather than getting something I can put to good use. At the same time I should be happy there is no way for this to impact my chances of getting what I actually wanted, and can actually use, upon repeat battles. Really man, how does this make sense? How does this not sound completely stupid to you?

Job level cap is 99. Artificially SE is releasing items to bring level power up past 99.

Unless SE plans to forever add harder content, item levels to reach level 100,000,000+ if I'm alive to see that day in the year 3050 or whatever.

I think you are playing way too fast and treating items as if they are temporary trash to be replaced in the next few months.

SoA is a new expansion. I'm sure SE is NOT going to implement stuff endlessly. At some point they will have to stop and let events last for a certain amount of time before implementing the next big thing. I just don't think there is a point of complaining in an event that's happening now because its going to end and I need to get everything I want before that happens.

If you got your sword, then why are you not enoying it because I'm sure many other are envying you right now.

And having that 1 item should be enough reason for you to continue playing WR to get the rest of the items you want.

I'm sure if I spend 20 hours a day I could have rares by now but I choose not to. I don't want to bore myself quickly for playing the content too fast.

[Demon6324236]

Is the reason people shouldn't be complaining about WR if 1 item can make such a big difference in power then you should be enjoying the event and work harder because the big reward is what makes it worth it at the end.

Yeah, it makes a big difference, I am a dual wield job, I was forced to offhand an offhand weapon which was significantly weaker than both Bura and Hala due to this fact, which severely gimped my damage. Now that I have Bura, I can main hand it while off handing Hala, thus, making me much stronger. This is because its a duel wield job, and because its a weapon.

Is the reason you shouldn't be complaining because many of us spent months doing REM trials, Voidwatch, sky and many other events killing ourselves to get 1 item.

First off, I never did all of that, no, I never spammed Aello, never made an Almace or Excalibur, never had to spam Kirin for my speed legs, Genbu for my Shield & Abj for my Enhancing Head, or do anything like them, except, I did every one of those things.

I know I wasted more than 6 months on Qilin, millions of Gil, stressed to death and never til this day got a coruscanti playing more than 14 hours a day spamming 1 boss.

I suffered so you should suffer too, that's all this comes across as...

SoA is only 5 months old.

Only 5 months? Oh what a short amount of time, I mean, I would have thought you needed at least 1 full year of work every day to be deserving of a great weapon for your favorite job in a game that's supposed to be a fun and enjoyable experience. I guess I rushed, sorry I messed up the game guys.

Doesn't tell me this is true if you got all those items.

Ok, say for instance you join a race with an undisclosed reward for winning. You win the race and at the end I hand you some pot as your only reward, but you don't want to break the law, you don't do drugs and you cant sell it. So for winning the race, you got something you cant use that you also cant give away or sell, was the race rewarding?

[Daemon]

Be grateful. Not everyone is at the same point of the game as you DJ. I could be on the game to earn the best if I wanted to. But I'd rather login once in awhile to help others in game get things done than focus on wanting the best.

This is why there is a big difference between people in the community.