This thread AGAIN, please, fix WK.

[Daemon]

They almost always do. The only difference is that they say stuff like "Matsui San, please kindly consider increasing the drop rate on these. I believe your intentions have been to create a fun event that everyone can do and I believe that you have made great progress, but many players talk about how unrewarding it can be in terms of items. Perhaps in future updates you could possibly increase the rewards".

Instead of "WTF Man?!? This event sucks. 1,000 fights and no drops? What kind of skinner box BS is this?!? You should be ashamed of yourselves!".

To be honest, I admire the humble politeness of the JPs, but It doesn't seem to be getting the point across.

On the point of VW: It sucked. I pretty much just skipped it and didn't play much for a long time because that's all there was. A lot of people Did do it, but then pretty much stopped playing because it sucked and that's all there was. Like me, most of them probably didn't flat out cancel, so I guess that's a success?

Yeah what Frank said. It's just translating insults can make Asians feel really bad. I mean here in NA people don't care but Korea, Japan have respect, courtesy, manners grinded into everyone.

You are lucky not to be born in Korea. Anyone older than you by 1-2 years old have authority to discipline you if you disrespect someone. Sad thing is you are not allowed to resist the beatings even if its someone you don't know or else police will join in and beat you to a pulp.

Schools are separated between males and females only. To prevent distraction. And teachers have very strict punishments. Like beat students with a ruler, make a person bow down on their knees outside and stay for hours.

Also the Majority of JP players age range 30+. When I went to Japan my friend told me kids do not play video games. Only responsible adults. Because school is first priority. Dunno how its like now.

When I stood in line on the day of PS2 launch, only business men were in a massive line ready to buy it. I did not see any kids.

Heck even I saw a woman leave her purse outside on her bicycle in broad daylight in front of Blockbuster. Apparently stealing is equivalent to murder. They will humiliate you by placing you on the front page of every newspaper, news station, radio etc.

[detlef]

They almost always do. The only difference is that they say stuff like "Matsui San, please kindly consider increasing the drop rate on these. I believe your intentions have been to create a fun event that everyone can do and I believe that you have made great progress, but many players talk about how unrewarding it can be in terms of items. Perhaps in future updates you could possibly increase the rewards".

Instead of "WTF Man?!? This event sucks. 1,000 fights and no drops? What kind of skinner box BS is this?!? You should be ashamed of yourselves!".

That second quote isn't all that bad. It's easy to read and gets the point across without being insulting. I think you have to go slightly over the top to get convey a little actual emotion sometimes.

Cultural differences are fine to be pointed out, but JP can be horrible people on the internet too. Just maybe not here.

I actually think the biggest difference is that NA don't "like" each others' posts enough.

[detlef]

Valefor just endured a 13-hour Yumcax. I was there for 8 hours and received herb seeds for my trouble. That is just terrible and is the kind of thing that justifies taking a break from the game. I'm glad Daemon doesn't play XI anymore so he can't post that we should wait and see what the devs have planned.

[Demon6324236]

He was a friend, I cant say the same about being happy hes gone.

So far as WKs go, I was in 1 2 nights ago, I got a Lesser Chigoe, nothing more. I also went to a Yumcax yesterday which shouted for probably close to 4~6 hours that I saw, people had so little hope in that battle that around hour 4, it went form 40 people, to 20 people, by the time I warped out and had given up completely, we had 7 people left. The battle took to long and to many people that we constantly wiped any time we tried to get started, shouts were going badly because there was no interest, and we ended up simply calling it quits, all of my 70k Bayld was wasted in every way possible, because it went to absolutely nothing, all because the battle is that poor.

Rewards are a large issue, but lets not forget the battles themselves are bad as well, and part of why the reward issue is so bad too, after all, if it took 1~2 hours a fight, I doubt we would complain about WKs very much, but with most people experiencing many back to back 5+ hour marathon battles with WKs, it only makes the sting of getting nothing in the end that much worse.

[OmnysValefor]

If it took 1~2 hours a fight, I doubt we would complain about WKs very much, but with most people experiencing many back to back 5+ hour marathon battles with WKs, it only makes the sting of getting nothing in the end that much worse.

Nah, their probably wouldn't be many complaints. The chief problem, for me, has always been simply that the battle can take an hour, or it can take 13, apparently, and you have no control over it. 18 people coming on the right jobs has an impact, but one person doesn't.

That, and the ability of one twilight zombie to keep everyone on the ground for 15 minutes because they're dumb, or enjoying themselves.

I'm shocked that your Yumcax went that bad. Sucks man :/

[detlef]

He was a friend, I cant say the same about being happy hes gone.

Sorry, I hate him. I hated how he kept saying wait and see, wait and see, people are getting drops too fast. And then he bailed on the game. I also hated how he took one course on game design and he lorded that over us as if he knew something we didn’t. And I hated how he kept proposing solutions that the devs would never go for, then had the gall to question others for not doing the same.

Yeah, I won’t miss him.

So far as WKs go, I was in 1 2 nights ago, I got a Lesser Chigoe, nothing more. I also went to a Yumcax yesterday which shouted for probably close to 4~6 hours that I saw, people had so little hope in that battle that around hour 4, it went form 40 people, to 20 people, by the time I warped out and had given up completely, we had 7 people left. The battle took to long and to many people that we constantly wiped any time we tried to get started, shouts were going badly because there was no interest, and we ended up simply calling it quits, all of my 70k Bayld was wasted in every way possible, because it went to absolutely nothing, all because the battle is that poor.

Rewards are a large issue, but lets not forget the battles themselves are bad as well, and part of why the reward issue is so bad too, after all, if it took 1~2 hours a fight, I doubt we would complain about WKs very much, but with most people experiencing many back to back 5+ hour marathon battles with WKs, it only makes the sting of getting nothing in the end that much worse.

Yes, I completely agree that if the fight itself had not been so intolerable I would not have posted this morning. I would have been upset by my herb seeds and silently cursed to myself, but I wouldn't have bothered posting. Our issue was that the tanks were completely and utterly unable to hold hate. Or they were dying, I’m not sure what was happening because I couldn’t target them. All I know is that hate was everywhere. I’d do 1k damage in t1 nukes and while I might not pull hate, somebody else would.

As the fight wore on, more and more people went afk. They wouldn’t get up when raised. As time went on, you could see them disappear as they HPed after an hour. And I don’t blame them at all, you simply can’t be expected to keep actively participating for so long. One of my LS members actually went afk, HPed, slept, then ran back to the fight before she left for work. The last 5% took at least 90 minutes. We definitely could've used reinforcements, but who in their right mind will head out to Yorcia if they hear that the NM is at 5%?

And this is at 50% colonization too. People have been busy on Valefor; 50% is really good for us. People have been complaining about low server numbers, but Valefor has been in the 700’s during NA primetime this week.

Yes DJ, this time I’m not even complaining about the drops. I would love to get what I want so I can end this hellish façade once and for all, but at this point, I would settle for a 2 hour fight that doesn’t make me miserable. For now though, that’s it. I will not do Yumcax again. That was a terrible experience for something that’s supposed to be fun.

[Demon6324236]

Sorry, I hate him. I hated how he kept saying wait and see, wait and see, people are getting drops too fast. And then he bailed on the game. I also hated how he took one course on game design and he lorded that over us as if he knew something we didn’t. And I hated how he kept proposing solutions that the devs would never go for, then had the gall to question others for not doing the same.

Yeah, I won’t miss him.

Forum wise, I disagreed with most of what he said, and by most I mean 95% of it. Game wise, I cant say the same. Knowing him only on here, I can see why you would feel as you do.

Yes, I completely agree that if the fight itself had not been so intolerable I would not have posted this morning. I would have been upset by my herb seeds and silently cursed to myself, but I wouldn't have bothered posting. Our issue was that the tanks were completely and utterly unable to hold hate. Or they were dying, I’m not sure what was happening because I couldn’t target them. All I know is that hate was everywhere. I’d do 1k damage in t1 nukes and while I might not pull hate, somebody else would.

As the fight wore on, more and more people went afk. They wouldn’t get up when raised. As time went on, you could see them disappear as they HPed after an hour. And I don’t blame them at all, you simply can’t be expected to keep actively participating for so long. One of my LS members actually went afk, HPed, slept, then ran back to the fight before she left for work. The last 5% took at least 90 minutes. We definitely could've used reinforcements, but who in their right mind will head out to Yorcia if they hear that the NM is at 5%?

And this is at 50% colonization too. People have been busy on Valefor; 50% is really good for us. People have been complaining about low server numbers, but Valefor has been in the 700’s during NA primetime this week.

Yes DJ, this time I’m not even complaining about the drops. I would love to get what I want so I can end this hellish façade once and for all, but at this point, I would settle for a 2 hour fight that doesn’t make me miserable. For now though, that’s it. I will not do Yumcax again. That was a terrible experience for something that’s supposed to be fun.

I am basically to the same point myself. I made due with a cure set now without the damned club for my RDM, which was its only use for me, and so now I basically wait for Hurkan shouts, which haven't happened on Phoenix in like 2 weeks that I have seen, which sucks for me. After I get my feet & head from Hurkan I will simply get my free hat from Yumcax & be done with it all if I can even manage to do that much.

These fights are getting horrible, worse and worse as time goes on, no one would be stupid enough to go help people in these fights once they have the drops, its not something like Shinryu where you go to fight him with some friends or LS members to help out, while knowing it probably wont drop, but it wont take long. Since you cant really count on people you know on, you have to hope that there are somewhere between 50 to 100 people willing and able to come out and fight the NM who are also on the right jobs for it so they can actually help, and are also competent. That's asking a lot for an event which was basically made in such a way it would obviously die after a while by design.

So far as the low server counts go, I have 1k people on Phoenix, yet Yorcia bounces between 45~50% on a daily basis, never getting higher or lower than that really. Marjami stays at 100% as one would expect though. These fights really are depressing, no one does the old ones at all anymore on Phoenix, except 1 Shark shout that was going 2 days ago during a Yumcax shout, it only took 14 hours from start to finish, and its old, not even the newer one. How SE doesn't see these need adjusted to be funner, shorter, more rewarding, and overall enjoyable, is beyond me. Maybe we are just crazy English speakers for thinking games should be enjoyed, it seems like SE often designs this game with the idea of it being a job, not in any way recreation besides side events like Monstrosity.

[Daemon]

Sorry, I hate him. I hated how he kept saying wait and see, wait and see, people are getting drops too fast. And then he bailed on the game. I also hated how he took one course on game design and he lorded that over us as if he knew something we didn’t. And I hated how he kept proposing solutions that the devs would never go for, then had the gall to question others for not doing the same.

Yeah, I won’t miss him.

It's sad how you can judge someone you've never met. Yeah maybe we don't agree in terms of forum topics. That doesn't mean I'm a prick or some evil mean shady person who doesn't know how to get along with others.

I've spent 80% of my in game time helping others get their quests, missions, items. I've stayed up several days and nights until my friends get what they needed.

And I am not one who gets what I want and never go back to help others. In fact I despise it and join endless groups to do things I've already done a million times.

And I was the last person to bail when people needed my help.

You may hate me on the forums but whatever discussions I've had only means not everybody has the same mind or think the same as you.

And not everybody will jump ship and agree with your rants, complaints, bitter disappointments even if you have several others behind you to gang up on those who don't agree.

And yes I may not agree with you, but that doesn't mean I've ever disrespected you.

Your example shows everyone why people leave this game to begin with.

P.S. OP my debate replies always brings your topic back to the top of the page to keep your discussion going. I'm sure DEVs read them.

And I'm sure you welcome people who debate otherwise your topic would have died out a long time ago unless you bump it yourself.

[detlef]

It's sad how you can judge someone you've never met. Yeah maybe we don't agree in terms of forum topics. That doesn't mean I'm a prick or some evil mean shady person who doesn't know how to get along with others.

I don't really hate you. You're probably a decent person. I don't know you. When you posted about getting mugged after leaving Gamestop, I genuinely felt terrible for you.

I just hate you as a poster. Which is more to say, I really dislike the way you post and your motivations.

[Umichi]

those fights are still taking 4+ hours on your servers? :3