How long is too long

[Vivivivi]

So you're complaining about having an incredibly slow and insane fight because you thought it was boring to do what it took to make it a quick and easy one.

This is akin to complaining one can't use a butter knife to properly saw a tree in half, one-handed when you could have gotten a chainsaw running instead.

Chalk this one up to human stupidity, nothing more. S-E doesn't deserve flak for players doing stuff the dumb way when the smart way is clearly marked.

Part of the issue with regards to Yumcax specifically, is players can defeat him in low numbers at low colonization rates with the correct strategy. Unfortunately since WKR's are free for alls, anyone can join, and a single player can train all of the AOE magic casting mobs over to the corsairs and summoners (intentionally or not) and cause a complete wipe. You cannot kick that person from an alliance if they're not in one to begin with, and due to it's regen, it sets back a significant amount of progress.

[Rustic]

Part of the issue with regards to Yumcax specifically, is players can defeat him in low numbers at low colonization rates with the correct strategy. Unfortunately since WKR's are free for alls, anyone can join, and a single player can train all of the AOE magic casting mobs over to the corsairs and summoners (intentionally or not) and cause a complete wipe. You cannot kick that person from an alliance if they're not in one to begin with, and due to it's regen, it sets back a significant amount of progress.

So in other words, it's -still- player stupidity, and likely outright griefing as well via MPK. Lowest common denominator and all that...and apparently, the JP button was pressed FTW anyway, meaning the complaining group of players is -doubly- incompetent for failing so hard.

The content doesn't need to be made easier, the players responsible for failing need to step it up because clearly, if you're seeing another group of players- and I don't care what nationality - who can clean it up when you mess it up, the content isn't the problem, the people doing it are.

Edit note: I've been seeing this kind of whining since the first NA linkshells were in need of diapers because "Waaah, we can't kill Fafnir.". It needs to stop, but I'm sure it won't.

[Vivivivi]

So in other words, it's -still- player stupidity, and likely outright griefing as well via MPK. Lowest common denominator and all that...and apparently, the JP button was pressed FTW anyway, meaning the complaining group of players is -doubly- incompetent for failing so hard.

The content doesn't need to be made easier, the players responsible for failing need to step it up because clearly, if you're seeing another group of players- and I don't care what nationality - who can clean it up when you mess it up, the content isn't the problem, the people doing it are.

Edit note: I've been seeing this kind of whining since the first NA linkshells were in need of diapers because "Waaah, we can't kill Fafnir.". It needs to stop, but I'm sure it won't.

That's incorrect actually. Yumcax was first engaged by a majority of JPs, held next by mostly EU players, continued by mostly NA players, and finished again by more JPs IN ADDITION TO the NA and EU players, nearly 300 at ToD.

I don't think the content is too hard, in fact, I think it's adjusted quite nicely, a six man group can eliminate adds fairly effectively, and with a few tanks, Yumcax hardley goes on a rampage. The first run I went on ended 3 hours after it started.

What I do think is that there are fundamental issues in the mechanics for Yumcax- a time consuming entry item, the ability for a single person outside of an alliance to set back the progress made by dozens (repeatedly), and the fact that it regens despite anyones ability to remove offending players from the alliance.

On my part, lesson learned, I'll never participate in something like that for that long ever again. But I see value in communicating to the development team an important flaw in their latest content release, and how people are attempting to take it on.