Enough is enough

[Yinnyth]

Very well. OP, I disagree. The devs do listen, and they do what they can within reason. There are many reasons why the things you request don't get implemented however.

Just like your father doesn't let you get drunk when you're 12 no matter how badly you rant and no matter how many of your friends support you, some ideas are just bad ideas.

Just like your father doesn't get you a brand new porsche for your 16th birthday, some things are just beyond his price range.

Just like your father doesn't indulge the ludicrous demands you make while you're in an emotional state, some things you say you either don't mean or don't understand the ramifications.

So you can't always get what you want. That doesn't mean daddy doesn't listen, or that he doesn't care. But if you have some requests, your chances are best when you approach him in a respectful and cogent manner.

[JouriStarz]

Another example of "the customer is always right" mentality being taken to the extreme.

[Demon6324236]

Very well. OP, I disagree. The devs do listen, and they do what they can within reason. There are many reasons why the things you request don't get implemented however.

Just like your father doesn't let you get drunk when you're 12 no matter how badly you rant and no matter how many of your friends support you, some ideas are just bad ideas.

Just like your father doesn't get you a brand new porsche for your 16th birthday, some things are just beyond his price range.

Just like your father doesn't indulge the ludicrous demands you make while you're in an emotional state, some things you say you either don't mean or don't understand the ramifications.

So you can't always get what you want. That doesn't mean daddy doesn't listen, or that he doesn't care. But if you have some requests, your chances are best when you approach him in a respectful and cogent manner.

I, as well as many other RDMs, have asked SE to give us abilities and spells we believe would be beneficial to the job, as well as suggesting simple changes to things we already have, and when we do we seem to be ignored. I do not understand how some things such as enhancing our original new SP ability would have cost them tons of money or time, rather it seems more time and money would be spent on completely changing the ability in every way.

[SpankWustler]

Just like your father doesn't let you get drunk when you're 12 no matter how badly you rant and no matter how many of your friends support you, some ideas are just bad ideas.

Just like your father doesn't get you a brand new porsche for your 16th birthday, some things are just beyond his price range.

Just like your father doesn't indulge the ludicrous demands you make while you're in an emotional state, some things you say you either don't mean or don't understand the ramifications.

Just like your father once lost his anti-psychotics and spent two days and nights tearing apart the walls because that's where the mind-controlling spiders were hiding, somebody once developed the Evolith system and later expanded on it.

[Yinnyth]

I personally think evoliths were a cute idea, it was just painfully underwhelming. The evoliths you used on a piece of equipment wasn't really a choice, it was determined by the piece of gear itself. The base gear that could take evoliths was pretty weak too. Plus the evolith boosts were pretty low. If they made it so endgame equipment could be etched and each slot had at least 8 choices for what you could put in it, and the boosts were decent, I'd love to see evoliths make a come back. Oh right, get rid of the element affinity for evoliths too... size and shape are plenty restrictive enough.

I, as well as many other RDMs, have asked SE to give us abilities and spells we believe would be beneficial to the job, as well as suggesting simple changes to things we already have, and when we do we seem to be ignored. I do not understand how some things such as enhancing our original new SP ability would have cost them tons of money or time, rather it seems more time and money would be spent on completely changing the ability in every way.

I feel for you. I spent a lot of time offering suggestions how to make PUP into not-the-worst-job-in-the-game. Then BST got awesome new pets. I questioned the logic of COR being forced to use ammo that is more expensive than RNGs, yet doing less damage than RNG. Then they announced RNG getting improvements to recycle. After the billing change was forced, the servmes still directed people to how to change their billing method, even though it would be impossible to see the servmes if you had not already changed your billing method. I created a thread here on the forums, and the servmes remained the same for over a month.

Anyone who's been on these forums long enough has started their own crusade for some change in the game and has nothing to show for it. So let's pretend for a second that the devs DON'T read these at all. What good does coming here and stomping your foot do? It will get you a sizable amount of "Like"s from your friends, but since the devs don't read the forums, it doesn't matter. Now let's pretend for a second that the devs DO read these. What good does an angry rant like the OP do? It has 62 likes but no clear message so the devs can't do squat about it. Even if it did have a clear message, how likely are you to indulge someone's requests when every other sentence they speak is an insult to you and your company?

Our best hope is if we learn how to "Like" posts that aren't emotionally charged, dev-hating, game-hating, company-hating, player-hating and/or pointless. If we could get productive and realistic posts with as much support as these posts have, THEN we'd have an above 0 chance of being listened to. Don't get me wrong, we'd still be shot down on many requests, just like over on the Japanese forums. But they know how to use the "Like" button on their forums a lot better than we do.

Or if you really feel there is nothing you can do, you could continue failing to see the irony in complaining to the devs that the devs don't listen. It seems to be working really well for us so far.

[Demon6324236]

Or if you really feel there is nothing you can do, you could continue failing to see the irony in complaining to the devs that the devs don't listen. It seems to be working really well for us so far.

Well see, thats part of the overall problem. If we tell when what needs done and they ignore us, we get nothing. If we yell and spew insults, we get nothing still. The natural thing to do when someone is ignoring you, or not hearing you, is to get louder, and in the case of them obviously ignoring you, you tend to get more aggressive. I do not mean you specifically, but your average human being will get more aggressive and louder if the person on the receiving end is not, well, receiving, or if they are but they are blatantly ignoring the speaker.

The idea of talking nice to them is shown in the example I used. So far as I know, no one on the NA or JP forums said the current plans for the new RDM SP is good. At the same time, so far as I know everyone on both sides basically said to just buff the buff potency increase and a possible duration increase as well. Rather than giving us either of these 2 upgrades which people presented in a nice way, we got a brand new ability which set the people who cared, into a hate filled rage. The SP thread actually held some promise in that way, we seemed to be getting listened to at that time, and they were making a good effort to balance the SPs in a way that was fair, and useful. RDM is seemingly the only one they did not do that with, and instead went the exact opposite way we asked them to. So we started calm, and kind, but due to their ignorant actions, we turn to insult spewing.

Before players will truly respond in a civil way we must be shown we are going to be treated with some respect to our opinion and ideas. Not everyone has got to the point they are completely filled with rage at SE, but it seems many have. I myself feel a large amount of anger at SE for what has become of RDM, and the many easily fixed issues they refuse to do, or simply ignore. The RDM SP was no small part in that either, as it was the first thread I know of where our opinions looked as though they actually mattered to SE, however in the end the RDM community was ignored, and our ability tainted in a way we never asked for. After we pointed out its flaws, they had the nerve to tell us we were wrong about its functions, when we have had years of finding out the games inner workings, and know what they are actually giving us.

I understand, and agree, that we can not expect them to act kindly to our insults, or to our rage filled posts. However, there is something to be said by a ton of rage filled posts. If it were only 1 or 2 people who were mad and filling posts with rage at SE, it may be possible to ignore it, blame it on a bad day or some bad experience they had recently with SE. But when you have a new thread popping up every day or 2 about how SE is failing to listen, and how bad the company is at customer service, it should say something. If someone was mad at me saying I'm not doing my job, I may ignore what they say for the most part, if 10 people are mad at me saying I'm not doing my job, even if I do not pay direct attention to their words, I will understand I am probably doing something wrong, and Ill look more into it.

The very fact we have all of these angry posts that pop up should speak volumes to SE, and point out that perhaps they should reevaluate how they accept feedback from the forums, and speak with forums for countries other than their own. Should they listen to every rage induced post? No, but they should see that many people agree, and feel angry about things, and at the same time see how many threads like it appear. If that many people are really mad at you, you are doing something wrong, and should look to correct it, not just keep on going at it and waiting for them to give up on you, and leave. That is how I think this will turn out eventually, we are all shouting at SE, telling them what we think, at first, we are calm, then we get a bit loud, then we start getting angry, even insulting, and after some time, we will give up, and either deal with it, or leave.

[Alhanelem]

If you're so convinced the devs will never listen to us about the game or listen to us complaining about them not listening to us, then do yourself and all of us a favor and just quit now.

I'm pretty much saying this because there's really nothing good that can come out of this.

[Demon6324236]

You missed the point, the point is that enough angry posts might make them realize there is actually a reason for them. If you try saying something to someone, they ignore you, and you walk away, nothing is done. If you yell at them, and they ignore you, then more and more people start yelling at them too for the same reasons, eventually they will take the hint that something they are doing is bothering people, and they should probably do something different.

Right now I feel as though they have times they listen, and times they ignore. They often ignore, but when they choose to listen its nice for as long as it lasts, but sometime in the middle of their listening they slowly start to ignore more and more till they just stop caring. Lets go back to the SP abilities, when was the last time they posted in that thread? 12/6/2012... Its been months, 2 months now, before that we were getting updates every week or less, but now we have no new word on anything related to the new SP abilities. These abilities were supposed to be released months ago, but still no sign, and they are not even done sorting out what they will be so far as we know.

That thread to me is a perfect example of SE doing things both right and wrong. It started out right, with swift updates, listening to player feedback, changing their own plans for the betterment of the game, and overall respecting our input while at the same time maintaining real balance. As time went on, it went the other way, going from us being listened to and our opinions being taken into account, into a thread which we get no updates, our opinions meant nothing, and we were told about how things can be used, even when we know the mechanics behind what they suggest and know it is terrible way before it gets to the test server, let alone the live servers. Chocoburger(awesome nickname for it...) was fixed at long last with an amazing ability, that was a great example of them listening to us, RDM so far is the opposite, terrible, we asked for better, we still have nothing new to show for it.

[Giers]

If you're so convinced the devs will never listen to us about the game or listen to us complaining about them not listening to us, then do yourself and all of us a favor and just quit now.

I'm pretty much saying this because there's really nothing good that can come out of this.

How do I ignore this poster?

I would agree that fixes/changes come far to slow for a game that has more the made enough money to support a much faster change/fix system. We pay to play a game, well I wouldn't expect my money to get put 100% back into the game, I do expect it to show more then the 1% we get.

-=PoL shouldn't even exsist anymore, the update method is slow and prone to failure. Why can't steam update FFXI for me?
-=The job balance well has always been pretty terrible,but it is not getting better. Too many jobs are not worth your time playing. You can play what you enjoy, an all the power to you. Somewhere down the line though it would be nice to see job diversity/demand get a bit closer.
-=Interface lag should have been dealt with so long ago it hurts to think about it.
-=Ridculous grinds (Mythic Weapons, Skill ups) an gil = power (Relic Weapons) should have also been addressed.
-=Empy weapon system is still vulnerable to gil = power it still involves groups of players of 2-6 (Most of the time) to play together which this game doesn't really place high on the priority system any more.

Some changes have been great, leveling speed increase, warps galore, ability to play more then 2 jobs end game without a crazy high invest of time/gil, removing the level cap for certain quest/fights. Now its time for the rest of the game to catch up.

[FrankReynolds]

The devs don't need crusaders to protect their widdle feelings from meany-weany posters. They have the delete button.

Honestly, does telling an angry person to calm down ever work? I think that you all know that you aren't doing anything but fanning the flames. Shame on you.