Enough is enough

[Jaall]

I agree with you that SE don't do enough but this games really old now and they're bringing out FFXIV. It's as if they're just waiting for it to die and are squeezing as much money as they can out of it before it inevitably dies. I think I speak for most people when I say we've been expecting the end for the past year or so, it's just a matter of when, and how it will end. I think SE have come to terms with that and are just casually keeping the majority of the player base happy (which happens to be JP) to keep the money coming in until that time. It's like, say a new console is released in a specific brand - Sony make a Playstation 4 for example - they wouldn't keep working on updates for the PS3 because you would just move on. The times come for FFXIV and it looks promising so now they aren't caring so much about FFXI. It's just life, happens with everything.

[Cruentus]

I agree with you that SE don't do enough but this games really old now and they're bringing out FFXIV. It's as if they're just waiting for it to die and are squeezing as much money as they can out of it before it inevitably dies. I think I speak for most people when I say we've been expecting the end for the past year or so, it's just a matter of when, and how it will end. I think SE have come to terms with that and are just casually keeping the majority of the player base happy (which happens to be JP) to keep the money coming in until that time. It's like, say a new console is released in a specific brand - Sony make a Playstation 4 for example - they wouldn't keep working on updates for the PS3 because you would just move on. The times come for FFXIV and it looks promising so now they aren't caring so much about FFXI. It's just life, happens with everything.

But how old is World of Warcraft? How old is RuneScape? The age of an MMORPG shouldn't be a factor when deciding whether to keep it updated or not.

And besides, Final Fantasy XI and Final Fantasy XIV work in very different ways. We should not be forced to "move on" to a completely different game under any circumstances, especially when so many of us don't have the money for a new computer/console on which to play the new game, because our current systems cannot run the new game.

Personally, I prefer Final Fantasy XI to Final Fantasy XIV. I'm sure many other players do, too. We don't want this game to die just because newer games exist. We want this game to be fixed up and made fun again. The only way that can happen is if the development team reads every last post on this forum and others like it. Sure, good discussions may be like needles in a haystack, but they're worth searching for.

[Darrt]

I see some of you think this is just a QQ thread but i assure you i was completely calm when i typed my the OP. I did not offer any suggestions because either A. They have already been posted on this site, or B. They will just be ignored anyway. I suppose you could say the purpose of this thread was not to be constructive, but just to post how I, and i'm sure many other, FFXI players feel about the devs / this game at the moment. I was thinking that if enough people like / comment in this thread that it will get some community rep attention and maybe, just maybe, they will pass this up to the people at SE. And then, however small a chance it might be, we would see some positive change.

Obviously not every single person is going to agree with me, and i don't expect them to. Feel free to flame me if you want, it makes no difference to me. All i ask is that if you do wish to flame me, bring something to the thread about how this game IS balanced, the devs DO listen to us, and i am just a tool for thinking otherwise. If you don't bring this, then you are just a troll who continues to feed off of SE's abuse and neglect.

[Darrt]

Jaall you have a good point, however, they cannot just let FFXI fall to the wayside before FFXIV is cemented in as a viable MMO to spend time playing. The way FFXIV tanked when first released will certainly affect how it is received when ARR comes out, though i honestly hope that it succeeds. If it were to fail again, i imagine SE would be in quite a bit of financial trouble.

[Yrusama]

Jaall you have a good point, however, they cannot just let FFXI fall to the wayside before FFXIV is cemented in as a viable MMO to spend time playing. The way FFXIV tanked when first released will certainly affect how it is received when ARR comes out, though i honestly hope that it succeeds. If it were to fail again, i imagine SE would be in quite a bit of financial trouble.

FINALLY some honest and overall positive words about XIV from the XI community. I don't see this often, and it depresses me as a player of both. Damn the rest of the world for trying to tear me in two.

FFXI is considered the most profitable Final Fantasy, even over FFVII. They aren't likely to drop the subscription fee, nor do I expect them to shut down anytime soon. I recently read that FFXI was running out of space for new maps until they did something that allowed Adoulin. I don't know how much more they can do after Adoulin, but I really think it's way too soon to start talking about SE pulling the plug (though I admit their release of the PlayOnline music kinda got to me). We haven't even seen the new content in action yet! I just hope all of Adoulin won't require top-geared players to complete, though SE has always been pretty good about keeping the main story beatable.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

FINALLY some honest and overall positive words about XIV from the XI community. I don't see this often, and it depresses me as a player of both. Damn the rest of the world for trying to tear me in two.

That's not "the world," that's S-E.

Consider: other than a brief discount period, if someone is going to subscribe to two different MMO's, there's no reason or incentive for both of them to be Final Fantasy titles. Seeing a linkshell mate leave XI to go play XIV is no different from them leaving to play WoW or EVE or any number of other titles that have zero connection to XI. The XI and XIV communities are segregated and partitioned because S-E built them that way.

On top of that, the animosity of XI players can be easily justified by the way the XI playerbase was used as the source of funds to prop up XIV for over two years. XI players got little to show for this sacrifice while XIV players got a lifetime discount on their MMO of choice, an MMO that again has absolutely zero ties or connections to XI.

In the end, XIV is not just a competitor (rather than a complement) to XI, but one that has bled XI dry moreso than any other.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

SE has always been pretty good about keeping the main story beatable.

I can attest that A Crystalline Prophecy still sucks at 99, starting with "Those Who Lurk in Shadows (III)." That stuff is harder that much of old-school CoP, and CoP was capped.

[Zagen]

I can attest that A Crystalline Prophecy still sucks at 99, starting with "Those Who Lurk in Shadows (III)." That stuff is harder that much of old-school CoP, and CoP was capped.

That depends on the jobs you have available. BST and BLU can get through ACP. Only the final fight takes good skill/gear to do.

[Venat]

Jaall you have a good point, however, they cannot just let FFXI fall to the wayside before FFXIV is cemented in as a viable MMO to spend time playing. The way FFXIV tanked when first released will certainly affect how it is received when ARR comes out, though i honestly hope that it succeeds. If it were to fail again, i imagine SE would be in quite a bit of financial trouble.

Alot of FFXI players want 14 to fail but if it did it would probably destroy FFXI mainly due to SE being in financial crisis. SE been putting 300~500+ people to work on the game alone and SE been using there own money to fund FFXIV, not the stock market cash.

[Yinnyth]

Alot of FFXI players want 14 to fail but if it did it would probably destroy FFXI mainly due to SE being in financial crisis. SE been putting 300~500+ people to work on the game alone and SE been using there own money to fund FFXIV, not the stock market cash.

I think MMOs are more profitable than you may realize. If FFXI were not pulling its own, we would not be here talking right now. They would also probably cut off their own arm sooner than cut FFXI.

#1 Lack of SE support for FFXI
#2 Dev's dont pay enough attention to FFXI community.
#3 Quality of updates are poor/too slow/weak.
#4 Not enough people working on the game.
#5 Dropping Ps2 support and upgrading UI/graphics.

#1 How do you fix that?
#2 How do you fix that?
#3 How do you fix that?
#4 How do you fix that?
#5 How do y- oh wait, that one was a suggestion.

All of these things require money to fix (well, 2 is arguable, but the others). It feels like SE doesn't support their game well enough because we remember a time when the game was pulling in over a million dollars a month in subscription fees. You can do a crapload of stuff with that kind of money. If you want things to go back to the way they were, we either need a large influx of players or we all have to start paying more. And I'm not talking about "hey, I'm willing to throw a few more bucks per month at the game", I'm talking about every account of every player costing 5x as much as it used to.