Enough is enough

[Darrt]

I don't speak for the whole FFXI community, but i cannot just sit here in silence anymore. It has become apparent that the FFXI devs have forgotten that WE pay THEM to play this game. Over the past few months i have seen nothing come from the devs that proves otherwise. They add content to the game that is incredibly difficult without a very specific setup (NNI) and then criticize us saying that not everyone should be able to clear all content in the game. Uhhh are you *&^%ing kidding me? If i am paying you my money, however small the amount may be, i sure as hell better be able to participate in / clear any event in the game with whatever setup i choose, and the only thing that should hold me back is that event being a little more difficult if i choose a less than optimal setup.

Or they add slightly challenging content that is pretty easy to clear if the participants have the temps (VW) but have abyssmal drop rates and no way to share loot you don't want / need.

Or they add content that is easy and accessible (Neo-Salvage) but then decide that one small niche of a job is too OP for it and decide to nerf it. Meanwhile their precious Sam weapon remains unchanged. Nevermind that you need loot from the old salvage to get the better loot from new salvage, which BTW means if you missed out when TOAU came out, you now need to do 75 content before you can do 99 content because of arbitrary entry limitations. Oh and BTW, good luck getting the drops you need in old school salvage.

Which takes me to my next two points;

SE refuses to adjust the 3 man limit on ToAU content which would make getting stuff done that NO ONE wants to do anymore (assaults) or is hard to find people for (salvage, einherjar) I know this is an MMO but when content can be cleared by one person, make so can enter with ONLY 1 PERSON.

Limbus 2 would be good but again, good luck finding people to do it. Enif has some nice pieces, Murzim is mostly trash, and the lack of AF+2 leaves almost no incentive to do this event.

Whats that? oh AF+2, yeah it might make people do this event but SE has flat out said NO to the notion of adding such a thing. Again SE, WE PAY YOU to play this game. Obviously adding ideas any Tom, Dick, or Harry throw at you would be bad, but if the majority of the games population want it, MAKE IT SO.

You know what you gain by actually listening to your players? MORE MONEY! That's right, if you actually threw us a bone on things more people would continue to play this game, instead of drop from existence because you don't want to listen to the people that play this game, unlike yourselves, even though you claim to play it.

People put some damn good ideas on this forum and they are either completely ignored, or we get a lame ass "we are looking / will look into it" but then never hear another thing about it.

This has turned into a rant so I'll wrap this up. SE is trolling us. They want our money but don't want our feedback. Yet we continue to play this game in the hopes that something awesome will happen. SoA brought some hope, but i have major doubts. I mean look at WoTG, how long did it take to finish that expansion? And what is there to show for it?

Enough is enough. I am only one person, but if all of the NA/EU community stopped playing FFXI for even a month i wonder how SE would react.

[tyrantsyn]

Sir you are emotional, and as stated in another thread your opinion is noted but doesn't matter. Why? because you are emotional and not making any point because of the emotional thing.
Emotional
no point
And only us other emotional player's understand you.
Here's my like, sorry about the whole emotional thing.
Good luck
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[Alhanelem]

Just an emo "game sucks /devs suck or don't listen" post.

If you want change, the only way to have a greater than zero chance of getting it is to spell out camly and clearly what exactly you think is broken and needs fixing, what isn't broken and shouldn't be fixed, whatever. Just coming here and stamping your foot isn't going to accomplish anything.

[Zeroe]

Just an emo "game sucks /devs suck or don't listen" post.

If you want change, the only way to have a greater than zero chance of getting it is to spell out camly and clearly what exactly you think is broken and needs fixing, what isn't broken and shouldn't be fixed, whatever. Just coming here and stamping your foot isn't going to accomplish anything.

Short Answer: Bullcrap

When these forums first started, there was plenty of optimism and great ideas. The devs would respond, but with cryptic generic "look into it text" After awhile, people started to notice that they weren't taking any of our ideas at all. Soon came waves of terrible patches, while the community cried out to stop them, the devs did nothing. We have every right to be annoyed, angry, and frankly a little ticked off because our money is being wasted on crap that shouldn't be adjusted. I tried there way of being "nice and constructive." Know where that got us??? Absolutely nothing.

Were not idiots, we know when were not being listened to. I want whats best for the game, as does everyone. But this isn't the right direction. Everyone knows it, but again, who's listening.

[Chocobits]

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You make points. I can't speak to their validity, but I can see their importance to you.

Do you know what the difference between contribution and nocturnal emission is?

The former has you presenting your case and offering suggestions for what you feel is unbalanced.

The other is a load of waste that will only happen in your dreams.

*Edit* Gonna go ahead and add that yes, you sign the devs' paychecks. If you don't like their work, fire them and hire another MMO's devs.

If you like their work but not their policy, then explain to them in a way that makes logical, fiscal sense why they should change policy.

If you don't like their work or their policy, but you continue to pay them and complain, why SHOULD they listen? They're still getting a check from you whether they are working up to your expectations or not.

[Arcon]

Short Answer: Bullcrap

It's true that there probably isn't any right way to actually suggest something to the development team, based on previous experience, but that doesn't mean that coming on here and ranting about it with foam at your mouth will do anyone any good. All it does is reduce peoples' opinions of the OP. Also, some of what he said was just garbage.

[Damane]

Short Answer: Bullcrap

When these forums first started, there was plenty of optimism and great ideas. The devs would respond, but with cryptic generic "look into it text" After awhile, people started to notice that they weren't taking any of our ideas at all. Soon came waves of terrible patches, while the community cried out to stop them, the devs did nothing. We have every right to be annoyed, angry, and frankly a little ticked off because our money is being wasted on crap that shouldn't be adjusted. I tried there way of being "nice and constructive." Know where that got us??? Absolutely nothing.

Were not idiots, we know when were not being listened to. I want whats best for the game, as does everyone. But this isn't the right direction. Everyone knows it, but again, who's listening.

This is definitly not true. If your Idea and proposals are reasonable and well written out the Dev team will definitly look into it. Of course they cant do everything, and prolly wont depending what shedule they have and how it would impact the game.

I proposed 6 months ago to reduce the wait time on Limbus and Einherjar from 72 hours to 20 hours on the german forums. (Matsui list with proposed exchanges when he took over FFXI)
They are working on an enmity fix as was wished by many people
They are working on a attack/def fix, so defense does matter more, as wished by many people.
upcoming Legion fix with lowering mob lvls or HP, as wished by many people.
NNI adjustments as wished by many people.

Of course they cant do everything and wont. But so far it seems what they can do they would do, so I am very satisfied so far with how Mr. Matsui has been handling things. Thumbs up.

[Rezeak]

I don't think not paying will help, i mean i have seen endgame ls's leave the game cause of SE wanting to makes do the most medicore stuff over and over and honestly all they do is plod on not caring.

Either way for FFXI to be profitable i'm sure it's relatively easy i mean for example in a year you'd pay $160ish and with just say 10k subs that $1.6mil and i'm sure your could run a server and employee a dev team for that give or take. And i'm sure they have alot more than 10k subs and you can see why they want another FFXI from FFXIV.

With that said if, and it's a big if, if you could get a decent sized gaming site to cover a story on why FFXI dev team doesn't listen to it's players it would make them listen because of all the poor press in FFXIV, and funnily enough the only time i have seen SE buckle to peer pressure was when a group of people fought AV for 22 hours and gaming magazines covered it negativity.

Either way, i'm not that inclined either way the best thing about having a PC is having more than one game and i just play FFXI every so often (like 1 week or so every few months so i only pay for 1 out of 3 months) which i happy enough for.

My FFXI plan now is not to play for 4-8 months then come back for SoA Story and quit again.

While in away i'm sad FFXI for me is over just like when i completed FFVII. It doesn't change that it was a great game and FFXI-2 (abyssea) was a fun remix but FFXI-3 (abyssea was fun but now it's time sink time) is not for me lol.

[Yinnyth]

I don't think not paying will help, i mean i have seen endgame ls's leave the game cause of SE wanting to makes do the most medicore stuff over and over and honestly all they do is plod on not caring.

I am the grammar hammer, so it pains me to reply to you without correcting your spelling, punctuation, capitalization, and grammar. However, I am capable of understanding your underlying message, so tell us: which endgame linkshells did you see quit the game, and what was their reason?

[Rezeak]

I am the grammar hammer, so it pains me to reply to you without correcting your spelling, punctuation, capitalization, and grammar. However, I am capable of understanding your underlying message, so tell us: which endgame linkshells did you see quit the game, and what was their reason?

Thanks for the corrections.

I was in kizunas and while it wasn't the entire ls, from it's 8 yearish run of over 100+ members coming and going, the 30-40 odd that stuck around longer than a few months, there is maybe 2-5 that still play.

As for there reasons, as you said part of it was being older and unable to keep reupdating their gear every 3-6 months as SE made it obsolete because the timesinks were too large. One of the other sides of it was the boredom we made 50+ emeryans and I'm telling you now a part of my soul has died farming Glavoids and Chloris over and over.

Either way, moving on as it came to the end of the linkshell we were still doing VW,Abys,Limbus,Legion. The problem was this for me and the last 4-6 that left at the same time, was that we all had jobs that were near perfect with just nothing to do except the same stuff over and over and honestly every day it was just grind for gil or abyssea items. We did LimbusV2 and Legion and well Limbus was good but the recast was forever and with Legion, once we cleared it a few times the gear wasn't worth the effort of organizing the runs.So we were all hungry for new content and neo-salvage was miles away and burrows was only 10 mins a day so we basically just all quit for a while to play steam games together and such until there was new content and well we enjoyed more than FFXI which we still haven't come back.

I know it's a bit long winded and I don't think my point is too clear, but alot of my linkshell left FFXI because of the repetitive nature of timesinks placed in the game and the lack of anything else to do. As for other linkshells all i need to do is look at my inactive friendlist to see all those people that left and never came back some for the same reason as me and some for others.