To Devs: Salvage / Mythic Suggestion

[Afania]

Why don't we just lv WAR, make a lv 99 ukon and lv 99 rag(which is still cheaper than any Mythic) to fulfill everyday DD needs, and gtfo from pointless Mythic discussion? ;D ;D ;DDDDDDDD

[Afania]

As always, I'm amused by how people who can't complete mythics can't seem to just go get a relic/empyrean instead and feel the need to say that mythics have to be made easier simply for their convenience.

I don't understand this part either. The only ppl that have right to complain about Mythic difficulties are DRG mains. This job is literally pointless to get invite without Mythic, but with Mythic it's really good due to angon benefiting whole ally.

Every other Mythic totally doesn't add much to your LS for current content. A WAR with 99 Ukon/99 rag should outperform Koga SAM and KKK PUP in current endgame scene last time I checked, what other game breaking Mythic are there? Other Mythics just doesn't add much, so why not just get 99 Ukon/Rag if you have money to toss and want to add more value to your LS?

Other reason I can think of for wanting easier Mythic: 1. You just damn love your PUP SMN DNC BLM SAM etc, even though you know you will job change for events.

2. You want Mythic to show off.

If it's No.2, the moment Mythic lower it's difficulty it losts it's value. If Mythic is made easier, and everyone have one, then showing off won't mean much. You'd want Mythic as hard to get as possible if you want to show off.

If it's No.1, still pretty pointless when ppl gonna bring 99 Ukon+Rag for everything anyways, and doesn't really hurt you without Mythic. If you're not getting invite on DNC or PUP because lv 99 Ukon/rag WAR taking your spot, you're still not going to get invite with a Mythic.

[Jaall]

Why don't we just lv WAR, make a lv 99 ukon and lv 99 rag(which is still cheaper than any Mythic) to fulfill everyday DD needs, and gtfo from pointless Mythic discussion? ;D ;D ;DDDDDDDD

Sorry just gonna chirp in here, there are quiet a lot of people who play ffxi who have lives which is why not everyone can can make a lvl 99 ukon/rag. I know this discussions mainly about mythics/relics etc but the majority of players can only make 1, and want to have fun playing the job they like, not a job they don't like. It seems like you're the type of person who won't invite if no relic/emp, as you said drg is pointless without mythic. I hate to break it to you, but you couldn't be more wrong, but I'm not gonna go into any more detail just like to say - research. There are a lot of places where drg has a "point" and if you weren't so stuck in your ways that certain jobs are better, maybe you would see that. Elitists really do annoy me and that's fine, its my opinion, but seems so many people are getting to the point where it's the best or nothing.

[Afania]

Sorry just gonna chirp in here, there are quiet a lot of people who play ffxi who have lives which is why not everyone can can make a lvl 99 ukon/rag.

And my main point is all about making ukon+rag is still cheaper than Mythic, so why not just make empy/relic if you "have a life"? If you can't make lv 99 ukon/rag you can't make mythic either.

as you said drg is pointless without mythic. I hate to break it to you, but you couldn't be more wrong, but I'm not gonna go into any more detail just like to say - research. There are a lot of places where drg has a "point" and if you weren't so stuck in your ways that certain jobs are better, maybe you would see that. Elitists really do annoy me and that's fine, its my opinion, but seems so many people are getting to the point where it's the best or nothing.

Drg with relic 95 can do as much if not more than most dd's due to the amount of ws's you can put out, the jump damage, conserve tp, wyvern damage and just standard attacks being high.

Wow told me go to research when you stated DRG with relic 95 > most DDs...did you just mentioned wyvern dmg >.> How about I dig up a VW parse result showing the amount of % wyvern dmg in ally compare with everyone else?

Unless when you said DD you mean jobs like THF, then I have nothing to say.


And I love how point out a job have no point without X weapon=elitist. It's just like saying THF without max TH have no point, DRK without reso have no point, COR without WF have no point, WHM with 0 cure potency have no point. Certain job just needs certain gear/WS etc to have a point. In the case of DRG, Mythic or bust for current game content.

[Afania]

It seems like you're the type of person who won't invite if no relic/emp

And no, I still invite none relic/empy DDs depending on situations and who I can get, but I don't invite just anyone. If I'm doing T3, I invite pretty much anyone, of course none gimp relic/empy takes priority. If I'm doing prov or legion, the only none relic/empy DD I'd take is OAT DRK, unless that DD is a friend of mine and really needs clear + ally have enough DD already, or unless that DD happened to be able to parse high without a relic/empy(which is rarely). I collect parse data as much as possible for every prov/legion run, and I've seen enough DDs in various performance in my life, including gimp relic/empy, I can even "rank" each indiviual DDs I pt with based on my database. I don't need you to tell me who can DD and who can't when you're probably not even on my server and don't know most of the DDs on this server.

Now you're probably going to call me elitist again, mind you I don't own any DD job, nor have any elite DD weapon such as Rag/ryuno/ukon, so I don't say this cuz I look down on other ppl when I don't outparse WAR myself(I don't even care what gear other ppl have, I only care about performance). I simply value my time, and entire ally's time. I aim for 20~30 min clear for full prov KI BC+ dragon to save everyone's time, not 4hr run with double wipe like a lot of PUGs that don't pick their DDs. If you want to blame me for being "elitist", blame those who are in ally wanting a fast and efficent Prov run, and goes fake d/c if ally wipe, not the /shout leader, who simply just try to fulfill every ally member's wishes.

Protip: If you want to complain about DRG without mythic not getting invite, instead of ranting here like an ass and calling others elitist and not knowing the job, be nice and more polite, you'll make more friends and get more invite that way. I do invite a lot of friends/lsmate when I make VW pt, even if some of their performance doesn't fit standard. Most of the time getting invite is more of a matter of connection.

[Jaall]

I'm not here to make friends but i'm not being an ass here you are. You're exactly the reason why the games no fun because it takes being amazing to please you, that is all I am saying. DRG with relic is not better than most dd's I was wrong there and I admit that but it's almost as good or on par with and the only reason relic DRG isn't better is because most war's have ukon, most drk's have rag etc etc. And lastly I think you're getting me all wrong. I moan that the games getting to the point where nobody can join anything unless they have no lives because it takes the fun out of the game for the people who are to an extent. But what really gets me is other people saying you're a terrible player because you play the game how you want to and not how everyone else tells you to. Just because I play DRG main i'm classed as a bad player because I don't have war or drk and drg is, as you say, "pointless".

Saying all that i'm not too fussed in game because I have a decent geared BLU so for endgame I go on that, to get the gear for my DRG. And point of the post is to make mythic easier, to the point where those with a life can get one. Which would balance the game a bit yea, so I'm going to change my opinion, make mythic easier than relic. I know they wont but if they did the game would probably be much better due to people like you stating drg is pointless, same goes with pup and all the other jobs that benefit from mythic, who otherwise get no say in what events they can join just because they parse slightly worse.

[Jaall]

...did you just mentioned wyvern dmg >.> How about I dig up a VW parse result showing the amount of % wyvern dmg in ally compare with everyone else?

Unless when you said DD you mean jobs like THF, then I have nothing to say.


And I love how point out a job have no point without X weapon=elitist. It's just like saying THF without max TH have no point, DRK without reso have no point, COR without WF have no point, WHM with 0 cure potency have no point. Certain job just needs certain gear/WS etc to have a point. In the case of DRG, Mythic or bust for current game content.

Okay... wyvern damage is little but it's a bonus which everyone overlooks. and pointing out a jobs pointless without X weapon is elitist because that weapon happens to be an elite weapon. max TH can be achieved within a day. Whm with 0 cure potency can do the same and effectively buy cure potency. Reso is even easier than all that. WF, okay that takes a bit longer but COR isn't bad without it because it has rolls that benefit the party. Saying someone has mythic or nothing when other weapons have been proven to make drg do higher damage is elitist. Just so happens that mythic is a lot better. Also maybe you don't know this because you haven't invited a DRG but jumps can do 2-2.5k damage and return 100-200 tp each time and be used every minute. Not all of a DRG's damage comes from the WS's which aren't far from war or drk anyway if you have a relic.

[detlef]

Based on what I'm reading, I would suggest directing your efforts toward petitioning for making DRG more powerful rather than making mythic easier (which would affect all jobs).

[Afania]

Okay... wyvern damage is little but it's a bonus which everyone overlooks. and pointing out a jobs pointless without X weapon is elitist because that weapon happens to be an elite weapon. max TH can be achieved within a day. Whm with 0 cure potency can do the same and effectively buy cure potency. Reso is even easier than all that. WF, okay that takes a bit longer but COR isn't bad without it because it has rolls that benefit the party. Saying someone has mythic or nothing when other weapons have been proven to make drg do higher damage is elitist. Just so happens that mythic is a lot better. Also maybe you don't know this because you haven't invited a DRG but jumps can do 2-2.5k damage and return 100-200 tp each time and be used every minute. Not all of a DRG's damage comes from the WS's which aren't far from war or drk anyway if you have a relic.

1.Nobody ignores wyvern dmg, I'm not blind when I look at parse numbers. I look at everything, from acc, crit-hit rate to melee/WS avg and ratio. Of course I wouldn't ignore wyvern dmg.

2.Whether a weapon makes large difference or not has nothing to do with harder to obtain or not. Otherwise I'd say KKK or bust for PUP, or Koga or bust for SAM. If today THF only get TH2 without Mythic, I'd say the same thing too, mythic or bust. Since another job /THF can achieve the same result with better utility. X weapon/WS or bust is based on usefulness, not how hard to obtain.

And I was actaully on DRG's side when it comes to this issue, I said only DRG has right to QQ about Mythic difficulty a few posts back, and you still call me elitist? Everyone else if you want a Mythic, just admit you want it for the sake of achievement or wanted to play nobody care jobs.

3. I pt with both relic and Mythic DRG before, but that's not important considering most of the relic DRG sucked anyways(yes every relic DRG I pt with doesn't parse high compare with rag/ukon, but I wouldn't judge based on indiviual parse either). Let's just look at spreadsheet, and compare with other DD job and weapon. A job is good or not is based on math, not who you pt with. Give me a TP/WS set that you think it's best for gungnir 95 DRG, I put them on spreadsheet compare with another DD job and let's see who wins? You telling me indiviual JA dmg and TP speed is irrelevant, the amount of dmg you do have many factors, your buff, enemy debuff, type of event etc. What if I say each reso can do 5k dmg thus reso is awesome, and DRK WAR>DRG? That doesn't prove anything and stop being so irrational when it comes to job debate.

[Jaall]

I think i've made a clear enough point, so gonna end it at that. No job is "pointless" and being called pointless makes me annoyed. DRG still does damage and a lot more than some jobs, and has factors that make it unique. It does need an overhaul but then so do a lot of jobs because there are 2 clear jobs here that ruin it for everyone else because they're so good. I have DRK and WAR 99 just don't wanna get a relic or ukon because I simply can't be bothered, it is just a game to pass the time while my leg is broken. I like getting into debates about things and this one happens to be about something that's always annoyed me. Yes DRG isn't as good, but it's incredibly fun to play so i'm not gonna stop playing it to please people, I just wish I could actually play it.