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    Player Jaall's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afania View Post
    ...did you just mentioned wyvern dmg >.> How about I dig up a VW parse result showing the amount of % wyvern dmg in ally compare with everyone else?

    Unless when you said DD you mean jobs like THF, then I have nothing to say.


    And I love how point out a job have no point without X weapon=elitist. It's just like saying THF without max TH have no point, DRK without reso have no point, COR without WF have no point, WHM with 0 cure potency have no point. Certain job just needs certain gear/WS etc to have a point. In the case of DRG, Mythic or bust for current game content.
    Okay... wyvern damage is little but it's a bonus which everyone overlooks. and pointing out a jobs pointless without X weapon is elitist because that weapon happens to be an elite weapon. max TH can be achieved within a day. Whm with 0 cure potency can do the same and effectively buy cure potency. Reso is even easier than all that. WF, okay that takes a bit longer but COR isn't bad without it because it has rolls that benefit the party. Saying someone has mythic or nothing when other weapons have been proven to make drg do higher damage is elitist. Just so happens that mythic is a lot better. Also maybe you don't know this because you haven't invited a DRG but jumps can do 2-2.5k damage and return 100-200 tp each time and be used every minute. Not all of a DRG's damage comes from the WS's which aren't far from war or drk anyway if you have a relic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaall View Post
    Okay... wyvern damage is little but it's a bonus which everyone overlooks. and pointing out a jobs pointless without X weapon is elitist because that weapon happens to be an elite weapon. max TH can be achieved within a day. Whm with 0 cure potency can do the same and effectively buy cure potency. Reso is even easier than all that. WF, okay that takes a bit longer but COR isn't bad without it because it has rolls that benefit the party. Saying someone has mythic or nothing when other weapons have been proven to make drg do higher damage is elitist. Just so happens that mythic is a lot better. Also maybe you don't know this because you haven't invited a DRG but jumps can do 2-2.5k damage and return 100-200 tp each time and be used every minute. Not all of a DRG's damage comes from the WS's which aren't far from war or drk anyway if you have a relic.

    1.Nobody ignores wyvern dmg, I'm not blind when I look at parse numbers. I look at everything, from acc, crit-hit rate to melee/WS avg and ratio. Of course I wouldn't ignore wyvern dmg.

    2.Whether a weapon makes large difference or not has nothing to do with harder to obtain or not. Otherwise I'd say KKK or bust for PUP, or Koga or bust for SAM. If today THF only get TH2 without Mythic, I'd say the same thing too, mythic or bust. Since another job /THF can achieve the same result with better utility. X weapon/WS or bust is based on usefulness, not how hard to obtain.

    And I was actaully on DRG's side when it comes to this issue, I said only DRG has right to QQ about Mythic difficulty a few posts back, and you still call me elitist? Everyone else if you want a Mythic, just admit you want it for the sake of achievement or wanted to play nobody care jobs.

    3. I pt with both relic and Mythic DRG before, but that's not important considering most of the relic DRG sucked anyways(yes every relic DRG I pt with doesn't parse high compare with rag/ukon, but I wouldn't judge based on indiviual parse either). Let's just look at spreadsheet, and compare with other DD job and weapon. A job is good or not is based on math, not who you pt with. Give me a TP/WS set that you think it's best for gungnir 95 DRG, I put them on spreadsheet compare with another DD job and let's see who wins? You telling me indiviual JA dmg and TP speed is irrelevant, the amount of dmg you do have many factors, your buff, enemy debuff, type of event etc. What if I say each reso can do 5k dmg thus reso is awesome, and DRK WAR>DRG? That doesn't prove anything and stop being so irrational when it comes to job debate.
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    Last edited by Afania; 12-07-2012 at 06:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaall View Post
    I'm not here to make friends but i'm not being an ass here you are. You're exactly the reason why the games no fun because it takes being amazing to please you,
    Lol seriously? You didn't get what I said a few posts back don't you? Please me? I'm not an important person worth to be pleased. I'm nobody, like everyone else. Except when I log on, sometimes me and my friends/LS feel like doing prov, and nobody else is /shouting. So guess what? I go /shout one myself while getting friends/lsmate that needs it in the pt. Nothing more and nothing less. Everyone in ally wanted a good pt that kills fast, and end in 20~30 min so they can do 2nd one, not just me. Everytime when I invited someone doesn't do enough dmg, I got 10000 tell saying X player's gimp and stop inviting him next time, how about you please every other players 1st?

    Please me? How about you please entire ally of player 1st and tell them kill slower is ok and please don't warp or fake d/c if pt kills too slow.

    Or, how about you make your own ally and do all the work if you don't like to "please" anyone.

    I find it funny that everyone wanted to do prov, and nobody want a bad pt that takes longer than 1hr a run, nobody want to /shout, so they bugged me to do all the /shout work, and I ended up being accused as elitist while I worked for everyone else, geez.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jaall View Post
    I moan that the games getting to the point where nobody can join anything unless they have no lives because it takes the fun out of the game for the people who are to an extent.
    Make your own pt if nobody want to invite you, that way you play w/e you want. If you don't want to spend the effort making one, you have no right to complain the one spending the effort making one.

    Also you said you have relic, I don't have one, nor real DD job, in that sense you have no life compare with me too.
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    Last edited by Afania; 12-07-2012 at 06:47 PM.

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