To Devs: Salvage / Mythic Suggestion

[Afania]

Okay... wyvern damage is little but it's a bonus which everyone overlooks. and pointing out a jobs pointless without X weapon is elitist because that weapon happens to be an elite weapon. max TH can be achieved within a day. Whm with 0 cure potency can do the same and effectively buy cure potency. Reso is even easier than all that. WF, okay that takes a bit longer but COR isn't bad without it because it has rolls that benefit the party. Saying someone has mythic or nothing when other weapons have been proven to make drg do higher damage is elitist. Just so happens that mythic is a lot better. Also maybe you don't know this because you haven't invited a DRG but jumps can do 2-2.5k damage and return 100-200 tp each time and be used every minute. Not all of a DRG's damage comes from the WS's which aren't far from war or drk anyway if you have a relic.

1.Nobody ignores wyvern dmg, I'm not blind when I look at parse numbers. I look at everything, from acc, crit-hit rate to melee/WS avg and ratio. Of course I wouldn't ignore wyvern dmg.

2.Whether a weapon makes large difference or not has nothing to do with harder to obtain or not. Otherwise I'd say KKK or bust for PUP, or Koga or bust for SAM. If today THF only get TH2 without Mythic, I'd say the same thing too, mythic or bust. Since another job /THF can achieve the same result with better utility. X weapon/WS or bust is based on usefulness, not how hard to obtain.

And I was actaully on DRG's side when it comes to this issue, I said only DRG has right to QQ about Mythic difficulty a few posts back, and you still call me elitist? Everyone else if you want a Mythic, just admit you want it for the sake of achievement or wanted to play nobody care jobs.

3. I pt with both relic and Mythic DRG before, but that's not important considering most of the relic DRG sucked anyways(yes every relic DRG I pt with doesn't parse high compare with rag/ukon, but I wouldn't judge based on indiviual parse either). Let's just look at spreadsheet, and compare with other DD job and weapon. A job is good or not is based on math, not who you pt with. Give me a TP/WS set that you think it's best for gungnir 95 DRG, I put them on spreadsheet compare with another DD job and let's see who wins? You telling me indiviual JA dmg and TP speed is irrelevant, the amount of dmg you do have many factors, your buff, enemy debuff, type of event etc. What if I say each reso can do 5k dmg thus reso is awesome, and DRK WAR>DRG? That doesn't prove anything and stop being so irrational when it comes to job debate.

[Afania]

I'm not here to make friends but i'm not being an ass here you are. You're exactly the reason why the games no fun because it takes being amazing to please you,

Lol seriously? You didn't get what I said a few posts back don't you? Please me? I'm not an important person worth to be pleased. I'm nobody, like everyone else. Except when I log on, sometimes me and my friends/LS feel like doing prov, and nobody else is /shouting. So guess what? I go /shout one myself while getting friends/lsmate that needs it in the pt. Nothing more and nothing less. Everyone in ally wanted a good pt that kills fast, and end in 20~30 min so they can do 2nd one, not just me. Everytime when I invited someone doesn't do enough dmg, I got 10000 tell saying X player's gimp and stop inviting him next time, how about you please every other players 1st?

Please me? How about you please entire ally of player 1st and tell them kill slower is ok and please don't warp or fake d/c if pt kills too slow.

Or, how about you make your own ally and do all the work if you don't like to "please" anyone.

I find it funny that everyone wanted to do prov, and nobody want a bad pt that takes longer than 1hr a run, nobody want to /shout, so they bugged me to do all the /shout work, and I ended up being accused as elitist while I worked for everyone else, geez.

I moan that the games getting to the point where nobody can join anything unless they have no lives because it takes the fun out of the game for the people who are to an extent.

Make your own pt if nobody want to invite you, that way you play w/e you want. If you don't want to spend the effort making one, you have no right to complain the one spending the effort making one.

Also you said you have relic, I don't have one, nor real DD job, in that sense you have no life compare with me too.

[Demon6324236]

Yeah, because Ukon WAR sucks.

[MarkovChain]

You are slow. If they equal an ukkon war during their AM3, they do MUCH less damage if you consider that they require to waste 3 ws to reach this point.

[Safiyyah]

You are slow. If they equal an ukkon war during their AM3, they do MUCH less damage if you consider that they require to waste 3 ws to reach this point.

It's hard to reach 300 TP on DRG? O_o

[Jaall]

Actually a lot of the reason why ryuno > a lot is because i has drakesbane dmg +30% and drakesbane is a fantastic ws on its own. And the occ attacks 2-3 times means you can spam that more than any drk can spam reso and way more than a war can spam ukkos

[Demon6324236]

Actually a lot of the reason why ryuno > a lot is because i has drakesbane dmg +30% and drakesbane is a fantastic ws on its own. And the occ attacks 2-3 times means you can spam that more than any drk can spam reso and way more than a war can spam ukkos

That and also your jumps which your already using for TP get a massive damage boost on their own. Also believe you can get the OA2~3 to proc on Jumps, though I'm not sure.

[Demon6324236]

Relic sucks for DRG because the additional effect screws your Angon, less of a defense down effect thanks to it overwriting Angon, which can get upto -8% more defense on the mob. I wont say DRG is a bad job, I have seen alot of badass DRGs with both OAT and Relic weapons, even a few with the (terrible) Emp, but it does not change the fact the job by itself is naturally weaker than the other 2-handed DDs. Its like saying my RDM vs a WAR, I have parsed higher than quite a few DDs with my RDM, even though they are Emp/Relic jobs, WAR, MNK, SAM, but really if you look at RDM vs WAR in a normal standpoint, RDM is crushed by its natural stats. Just because I am able to out DD alot of WARs or MNKs, does not mean RDM is normally on par with them, its just that I am a really good RDM, and geared myself to the point I can beat those DDs, at the same point I have had some WARs and MNKs in VW I have watched parse up to 40% on a NM, while I was at 15~20, and I was 2nd place.

What I mean is while DRG is good for some things, and can out DD other jobs, it is not necessarily because the job is naturally better, or equal, but because of your gear being good. Mythic is simply the weapon which actually does escalate the power of the job to a level that it becomes on par with other jobs, even if those other jobs are amazingly geared.

As for content being zergs, it shouldn't be, not much else I can say about that, the content is flawed and should not be zergs only, but I don't think making weapons that take 6 months to make is anything to do with that, nor the ease of the current Emp/Relic weapons. SE for the most part created content that must be zerged, between short time limits, mobs that are to powerful to get hit much if at all, and other things similar to this, they created a problem, we simply reacted in the way we could.

As for the Emp/Relic only crowd, the only content that really needs a Relic is Legion because of the Acc bonus on Relics, anything else people are stupid for asking for that, many times there are other weapons that do comparable damage. For instance my OAT DRK out does alot of Rag DRKs who have Phorcys even though I am running AF3+2 with some AH, Bazaar, or R/EX Aby/VW gear here and there. People who think Emp/Relic=good player are fools, people who shout it often do not care about your Emp or your Relic, they care if you can bring the damage they are looking for, and often thats all that matters to them. I have DDed many times in so called "Emp/Relic" shouts, and they have never had a problem with my Hoarfrost Blade or OAT GS, because I bring more to the table than many people who do have those Emp/Relic weapons.

[Jaall]

Yea usually OA2-3 effects jumps so should on ryuno, not sure why it wouldn't, and the augments jump effect makes every jump a crit increasing damage and tp gain. DRG isn't as outright powerful as WAR and DRK etc but if has a lot of nice abilities like angon and a wyvern that can heal so it doesn't need to be. I only defend drg because I personally think it's the best job in terms of fun, it's just a shame it gets looked down upon and I can never use DRG for anything. It's not my only best geared job and I have Calad drk simply for those runs run by fools who assume just because its empty, it's best.

Problem is people don't know much about the game anymore and don't look into the jobs they ask for. They would easily see that oat weapons are better but turn them down because they have no idea. I don't really mind that they're stupid I just don't go with them, but shame the game can't be as fun as it used to be. Unfortunately most of the reason is because of being able to zerg everything but SE are fixing that slowly.

Mythics don't have a part to play in all that, but making relics easier has, because now everybody has one. Because people can shout to zerg an nm and get 10 people with relics means the people who have OAT weapons don't get a chance and makes the whole zerg thing easier. Doing the same to mythics will just make that even worse. I really wouldn't care if they made mythics easier really, I may even be able to get one, I just hope "if" they do, they consider what the long term effect on zerging will be. Relics still aren't "easy" as such, in the fact that it still takes a lot of dedication to dyna, and that's getting stupidly overcrowded to the point where i warped out the other day and thought f**k it. But they're easy enough for 1 in 50 people to get and that makes the game unbalanced to those who don't have the dedication.

My reason for going for gungnir isn't the fact that it's a good weapon, it's the fact that it's a very fun job to play and i've always wanted a relic. I could easily have gone for ragnarok if i wanted to be good but whats the point of being the best if you don't have fun being the best? Also there's an easy way to overcome gungnirs terrible AM... don't use geirskogul! The weapon in itself is always in empy AM, it will always occasionally proc 2.5x dmg just not on ws's so it is still an amazing weapon for those who use it correctly. But... it's no ryuno, that's why it's seen as bad. Also the defense down is always on unlike angon, but SE should address it so that it doesn't override angon. Then if drg does want the extra def down which it should, then they can, but that's a really simple fix and i'm unsure why they won't.

[Demon6324236]

Probably the same reason as why Excalibur's additional effect is unable to stack with Enspells.