WHATS NEW SALE PRICE FOR BLINKERS?

[Trisscar]

You spent time you could have been using to do just about anything else, you spent money on meds, foods, ninja tools, ammo, etcetera, you spent experience points if you died, and spent sanity points if you're dealing with idiots (like the ones who say that exchanging cruor for Gil is wrong), and exchanging cruor is wrong, how exactly?

[Hashmalum]

Something tells me this thread had alot to do with the nerf.

Converting Cruor To Gil

Seriously, what was the TC thinking when making a thread like that?

What's a TC?

Anyway, people pointed out the chocobo blinkers thing well over a year ago on these forums. Nothing was done about it. See here, even earlier here, and someone outright asks for it to be nerfed here. There are even more old threads in the official forums than that, just do a search for "chocobo blinkers" and you'll find them. It was not exactly secret.

Nor should it have been a secret considering the impact on the overall economy. Remember when people who were making unlimited gil off buying an item in Tavnazia then NPCing it for more than the purchase price were banned? Remember when the hordes of RMT gardeners NPCing chocobo greens were being banned? Remember when Holy Water sale prices were nerfed? You need to proceed on the assumption that everything you sell to an NPC anywhere in the game is being logged somewhere and if SE doesn't like what you are doing they will eventually notice and do something.

[Arcon]

And you make stupid versions of sweeping generalizations, as usual. I go into Aby and help people with killing this or that notorious monster, help shell farm souls, help complete quest/missions. I go into Voidwatch and help people progress through tiers or target (for example) Kaggen for the armor.

Because I'm a full time student, work two jobs, and take care of my mother I don't get to play as much as I'd like to so the amount of time I do play has to be divided carefully into whether I help myself or others, and it's not a whole lot of time I get to do either since I work seven days a week. I don't usually charge for helping others out so the cruor (the Aby version of currency) that I get in Aby or Voidwatch really helped me out in game so I could maintain some descent gear.

But because some pisant like you thinks that because I 'didn't earn that money' my methods of making money should be nerfed, I am now going to have to find a another way to make money by sacrificing any amount of playtime I have towards that end... Excuse me if I dislike this idea.

You can dislike it all you want, nothing you said makes a valid complaint. Even if you have no time for actual money making, why should you be making money then? Like I said in my previous post, you simply want to get money without working for it.

and exchanging cruor is wrong, how exactly?

There are five different explanations in this thread alone. Did you read any of it?

Most people think as long as they feel good making money everything is alright with the world. Most people are dead wrong. You never stop to think outside of your little universe. "But I had money without having to make any!" That is no argument at all. That's a very strong indicator that something isn't working right. I know you put some effort into playing, but honestly, what do you expect? Like I explained before, money is a substitute for content you can't otherwise do. Meaning money allows you to get things that you otherwise can't. Which is why, when you can't do Legion, you can make money to buy items from the people who do. But if you make money while doing something else entirely, like helping people farm seals or whatever you do with all your precious playtime, why should you be able to get the same items as people who spend their time doing Legion? Keep in mind that people in Legion actually lose money in the process, because Legion is the most expensive event right now. So you get what they get with no effort at all, while being a nice and dependable person who casually goes around and helps newbies with their missions. Does that sound fair to you?

All I hear from people complaining about it is pure egotism. They enjoyed getting money for no work (yes, I know you "worked", but you didn't work for the money, you did something else entirely and randomly got money in the process), and now that doesn't work anymore and they're upset that they actually have to invest into making money, like all the people who used their cruor for other things before.

[Trisscar]

What do you reconmend then? What do you mean by 'invest'?

Edited to add: Even in EVE online you can make money off of PvE content. You can make an easy million blowing up belt pirates, thirty million an hour just completing level four missions (which can be done solo), several hundred million selling faction ships you buy with points you earn in missions. Hell you can practically mint your own money mining.

This has been an area that FFxi has always been weak in, that there aren't enough ways to make money for interested parties.

[Arcon]

What do you reconmend then? What do you mean by 'invest'?

What are you doing with your playtime? You said you help people with their stuff mostly, which is fine, I do the same. So what do you need money for? Surely not to help them, because I've been doing the same for months and I didn't spend a single gil on it. So it's for your own gear, I assume? Well, then go ahead and work for it. Why should you advance yourself if you use all your time helping others? That's very noble of you and all, but it is supposed to be a sacrifice on your part. If you expect to get paid for doing it, that's not noble anymore, that's entitled. Who is supposed to pay you? SE? Because that's what's been going on until now.

This has been an area that FFxi has always been weak in, that there aren't enough ways to make money for interested parties.

Very false. You can still get 10M daily if you wanted to. People only don't want to invest that much time in it. Do Dynamis for example. I list that because, despite the competition and the grindfest, it's still a very easy way anyone can make money solo. I've seen DRG/DNC get over 1M per run in there, your BLU should do even better. There are plenty of ways you can still make money, even if you don't like them because they require you to give up playtime for other events. But that's how it should be, you should not be paid by SE for every action you do. You're supposed to build your character yourself, and part of that is knowing when to work for your own money.

[Trisscar]

Arcon the point I'm trying to make is that they didn't have to kill it entirely, there were a lot of ways they could have handled it.

But lets look at my history so far. I made a lot of money back in the day fishing and farming. And then they nerfed it. I made a lot of money buying gear in one region and moving it to another. And then they remove regional auction houses. And then I could make a decent living doing what I normally do. Then they practically killed it.

Don't see where I might be at least a little frustrated? I know they aren't targeting me, but it feels like it sometimes.

Now as to what I need Gil for: gear to help my other jobs be more proficient. Gil I made also allowed me to be able to play jobs I couldn't before, gear them, make sure they had their spells and to level crafting skills (something that has to be put on the back burner now since I don't have a reliable way to make money anymore) and support friends and link mates.

Why don't I farm currencies to sell then?

I'm making my first relic, what makes you think I can spare currencies for anyone else?

Also you probably missed this part while you were busy missing the point:

Edited to add: Even in EVE online you can make money off of PvE content. You can make an easy million blowing up belt pirates, thirty million an hour just completing level four missions (which can be done solo), several hundred million selling faction ships you buy with points you earn in missions. Hell you can practically mint your own money mining.

None of this is an exaggeration. I, personally, have made more money per hour in EVE than I had in my first year my entire time of playing FFxi... Most modern MMO it isn't an issue making money quickly at all.

Do a quest, get money. Get rinky dink gear. Sell rinkydink gear. Wash, rinse, repeat.

[Iakothm]

Arcon the point I'm trying to make is that they didn't have to kill it entirely, there were a lot of ways they could have handled it.

But lets look at my history so far. I made a lot of money back in the day fishing and farming. And then they nerfed it. I made a lot of money buying gear in one region and moving it to another. And then they remove regional auction houses. And then I could make a decent living doing what I normally do. Then they practically killed it.

Don't see where I might be at least a little frustrated? I know they aren't targeting me, but it feels like it sometimes.

Now as to what I need Gil for: gear to help my other jobs be more proficient. Gil I made also allowed me to be able to play jobs I couldn't before, gear them, make sure they had their spells and to level crafting skills (something that has to be put on the back burner now since I don't have a reliable way to make money anymore) and support friends and link mates.

Why don't I farm currencies to sell then?

I'm making my first relic, what makes you think I can spare currencies for anyone else?

Also you probably missed this part while you were busy missing the point:



None of this is an exaggeration. I, personally, have made more money per hour in EVE than I had in my first year my entire time of playing FFxi... Most modern MMO it isn't an issue making money quickly at all.

Do a quest, get money. Get rinky dink gear. Sell rinkydink gear. Wash, rinse, repeat.

and i bet all the items in eve cost you more than you spent in your entire ffxi lifetime. Don't compare 2 completely different games like that because it just makes you look dumb and desperate.

you say you bought items from a place and sold them in another that's the same as the aby you are doing nothing and expecting money. Don't expect to make a relic and get money at the same time especially if your time in ffxi is SOOOOOOO limited that you can't craft. How exactly can you not make money fishing as well if you have so little time to play ffxi? All I hear is you whining about the nerf because it was an easy money way.

[SpankWustler]

I deeply regret not making it to this topic before relatively serious discussion erupted. A golden opportunity to post the truly classic "OMFG IT'S CAIT SITH!" meme image is now gone forever, like the tears of Altana in the rain.

Or at the very least, delayed until sometime in 2013.

[Arcon]

Why don't I farm currencies to sell then?

I'm making my first relic, what makes you think I can spare currencies for anyone else?

Yes? Why can't you? If you don't have enough money to get by, a relic should not be your top priority. Farm currency to sell for other things, after you've made 10M (which is a few days) you can still farm for your relic and you only lost a few hours playtime. Conversely, you're now rich enough for plenty things, definitely enough to get by. Enough to gear several jobs adequately, buy all spells you'll ever need (except Meteor and Arise) and even invest some into skilling a craft. And that was only for a few hours worth of your playtime. Or is that unacceptable to you?

Also you probably missed this part while you were busy missing the point:

I didn't miss it, I just didn't grace it with valuable seconds of my time to form a reply, because I don't know EVE, and for all I know it could be entirely irrelevant. If EVE's economy type and market type is even slightly different than FFXI's, the same rules may not apply and money could mean something entirely different, as well as the acquisition of money.

None of this is an exaggeration. I, personally, have made more money per hour in EVE than I had in my first year my entire time of playing FFxi... Most modern MMO it isn't an issue making money quickly at all.

So what? That just means currency is worth a lot less in EVE. That's like bragging that you are richer than someone else because you have 1000 yen and they only have 10 US dollars, which would be just as pointless, because you'd be wrong.

[svengalis]

No matter the reason, the point was it gave a reason for people to help eachother, which was good imo. I see far to many greedy people in this game who do whatever benefits them, and as soon as it comes to helping out others they just walk away, thats the attitude I have a problem with that cruor admittedly did help a bit.

Why is someone greedy just because when they log on they want to progress their character? Isn't that why we all log on and continue to log on because we want to progress our characters? If all you are doing is helping eventually you will stop logging on. Lets remember this is a pay to play mmo.