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    Player Trisscar's Avatar
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    Thanks to Square my means of making income in game is now gone and it'll be a matter time I'll be scraping on by with a couple thousand Gil in my pocket just like I did before Aby.

    Way to go Square. In your misguided attempt to target RMT legitimate players have, once again, become casualties. Instead of actually addressing the problem, you have made things worse.

    But worry not. I think the most of the blame rest solely on a whiny minority making a lot of noises about people Fellcleaveing, calling them RMT without so much as an iota of evidence. Are you happy now?
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    If that's your only way of making gil, good news, you can still make gil, just at a much lower conversion rate. I'm sorry for whatever medical/mental condition prevents you from doing HELM and/or crafting for gil.
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    Player Trisscar's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aarahs View Post
    If that's your only way of making gil, good news, you can still make gil, just at a much lower conversion rate. I'm sorry for whatever medical/mental condition prevents you from doing HELM and/or crafting for gil.
    You see I have this thing called a real life. You might have heard of it? And right now my playing time is severely restricted by my real life, you know that thing you have apparently never heard of?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trisscar View Post
    You see I have this thing called a real life. You might have heard of it? And right now my playing time is severely restricted by my real life, you know that thing you have apparently never heard of?
    So you're complaining that you can't make any money anymore without playing the game? You expect to get paid without investing in it?

    I've heard exactly two complaints about blinkers nerfs, the first being that VW is now done for, which is somewhat valid, and the second being that people can't make money for doing nothing anymore, which, needless to say, is full out retarded.

    The first is only valid because it's not entirely false. VW did live off of cruor for a large part, only that was not a good thing. It should have lived off of its content instead. That was something SE screwed up in an entirely different way.
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    Player Trisscar's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    So you're complaining that you can't make any money anymore without playing the game? You expect to get paid without investing in it?

    I've heard exactly two complaints about blinkers nerfs, the first being that VW is now done for, which is somewhat valid, and the second being that people can't make money for doing nothing anymore, which, needless to say, is full out retarded.

    The first is only valid because it's not entirely false. VW did live off of cruor for a large part, only that was not a good thing. It should have lived off of its content instead. That was something SE screwed up in an entirely different way.
    And you make stupid versions of sweeping generalizations, as usual. I go into Aby and help people with killing this or that notorious monster, help shell farm souls, help complete quest/missions. I go into Voidwatch and help people progress through tiers or target (for example) Kaggen for the armor.

    Because I'm a full time student, work two jobs, and take care of my mother I don't get to play as much as I'd like to so the amount of time I do play has to be divided carefully into whether I help myself or others, and it's not a whole lot of time I get to do either since I work seven days a week. I don't usually charge for helping others out so the cruor (the Aby version of currency) that I get in Aby or Voidwatch really helped me out in game so I could maintain some descent gear.

    But because some pisant like you thinks that because I 'didn't earn that money' my methods of making money should be nerfed, I am now going to have to find a another way to make money by sacrificing any amount of playtime I have towards that end... Excuse me if I dislike this idea.
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    Converting cruor to gills are great for newer players or returning players to the game. Most will sell the abysea cruor gears instead of blinkering. Only select few and a horde of RMT took advantage of these exploits, which is very similar to the NPC items exploits of yesteryear. By limiting the amount of blinkers you can get a day and how many sets of abysea gears you can purchase every 24 hours, they can easily curb this without doing much. Heck make it you can only trade 12 stacks of blinker every conquest taly or make the price rise up and down tied up with bastion level will be a better solution - more people doing bastion and bastion related quests. There are so many better ways to punish RMT but still let normal players take advantage without punishing them as well. SE just took the easy way out as usual. I did not even bother doing blinkering - they are tedious and boring, plus I found abysea alliance party boring and tedious hence never have cruors over 1 millions.
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    Player Trisscar's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luvbunny View Post
    Converting cruor to gills are great for newer players or returning players to the game. Most will sell the abysea cruor gears instead of blinkering.
    It's also good for players like me, whose real life restricts playing time so they can't use more 'legitimate' means to make money. It's the beast blood nerf all over again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trisscar View Post
    It's also good for players like me, whose real life restricts playing time so they can't use more 'legitimate' means to make money. It's the beast blood nerf all over again.
    Yeah I totally understand, there are so many ways they can curb the exploits without punishing legitimate players and still give them a chance to get gill without resorting to buying. They took the easy way out, the one that has the least amount of work, hit everyone in one swoop, and giving us no other alternatives.
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    It's pretty simple, really.

    Money represents effort. When you help someone get gear in for example abyssea, your effort is expended on that person. You are giving away your resources, and you can't both give away your resources and keep them.

    Because of this, cruor is generating gil out of nothing, which means gil no longer represents the resources you spent in the game (you gave these to the person you helped), which in return means that gil itself stops having value. This is a gradual process, and therefore it is not noticable in the economy itself right away. While it is going on, however, everyone feels like they are rich, because everyone's money just keeps increasing. In reality, they aren't.
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    Well then you allow the greed of the human creature to consume your game experience. When you can help people & get things for it, all is fine, it allows both to profit & gives incentive to assist others more than just being nice. When you take away such an incentive you allow natural human greed to become a problem with helping people which can lead to people going without help, and being left on their own, something that goes against the very idea of a MMO.
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