Perfect defense / embrava unbalance

[Demon6324236]

that wouldn't change much as you do no need to use both currently. For ADL only PD for nyzul only Embrava. People use both for convenience. The regen/regainn is quite useless on short fights/mobs that one shot you, while extremely usefull on long events like nyzul.

That was kinda my point. In events you only need one of them it wouldn't really hurt you, then again so far as I understand, Legion isn't so friendly so it may be a bit different in that case, it depends on the event, but if it is really a nerf then just making them not stack wouldn't be enough, it would effect like 1~2 events, the rest would just keep 1 of the 2 buffs and leave the other alone in favor of something else that might give similar effect.

[Monchat]

quoted wrong person lol sorry.

[Demon6324236]

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[Damane]

That was kinda my point. In events you only need one of them it wouldn't really hurt you, then again so far as I understand, Legion isn't so friendly so it may be a bit different in that case, it depends on the event, but if it is really a nerf then just making them not stack wouldn't be enough, it would effect like 1~2 events, the rest would just keep 1 of the 2 buffs and leave the other alone in favor of something else that might give similar effect.

pre embrava, people used brd 2 hours songs (2x march) in conjunction with PD. Your idea of not leting embrava and PD stack would actually just change nothing.

[Demon6324236]

Why do people keep quoting me as if it were my idea? x_x;

[Luvbunny]

pre embrava, people used brd 2 hours songs (2x march) in conjunction with PD. Your idea of not leting embrava and PD stack would actually just change nothing.

Totally agree, there is always another new thing to exploit. SE needs to grow some IQ when creating these new NMs and not making them hit players like a truck where the only strategy viable is to zerg them or you die first.

[Iakothm]

thing is... no matter what gets nerfed there will always be some other thing to come along first it was rdm/nin basically doing EVERYTHING solo and summoner burns and blm burns and well the list goes on. Thing is players find something that works best and keep abusing it since afterall its the most efficient way. Changing Embrava and PD are not gonna fix the problem. Nerfing Bosses won't fix the problem either since people will still take the best and fastest solution. One day it's this another day it's that.

Also I figure this whole thread isn't about the topic as much as it was for the OP to show off their sig.

[Damane]

thing is... no matter what gets nerfed there will always be some other thing to come along first it was rdm/nin basically doing EVERYTHING solo and summoner burns and blm burns and well the list goes on. Thing is players find something that works best and keep abusing it since afterall its the most efficient way. Changing Embrava and PD are not gonna fix the problem. Nerfing Bosses won't fix the problem either since people will still take the best and fastest solution. One day it's this another day it's that.

Also I figure this whole thread isn't about the topic as much as it was for the OP to show off their sig.

you missed the point, its not about abuseing. The problem is that the dev team created content around embrava and PD because they were so strong. its far easier to creat content around normal jobs then haveing to factor in overpowered 2 hours. nothing is wrong with SMN burns BLM burns or RDM/NIN tanking, it took some dedication and time. However something IS wrong if you have to use 2 hours as a cruch to get somewhere conveniantly.

[Iakothm]

and you can do most of the stuff without those 2 spells just it's alot harder. I wouldn't say this stuff was based around PD or Embrava since you can do them without it sure it takes more people but hey that's the point of a mmo. Like I said there are ways to do everything in this game no matter what people will still find and take the best and fastest solution. You say that people are using the 2 hours as a crutch but that's not because it was based around that it's because most people don't know how to play their roles anymore because all they learn in aby and vw and all over is to zerg everything down as fast as possible.

[Byrth]

Looks like at least one of your wishes came true!
http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/112...=1#post5446814